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On September 01 2012 15:22 TheRabidDeer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 15:08 YyapSsap wrote:On September 01 2012 15:02 Narw wrote:
If i would be David Kim after reading this so called thread i would completly ignore any kind of community feedback. It's absolutly disgusting how much QQ every action Blizzard performs generates. They do something - bad, they decide to wait - bad. Compare balance at this point of game to what it was at start and ask yourself - does Blizzard really do so bad job?
Disgusting crybabies. Yes. They've done a bad job. So many units go unused or fill very niche roles compared to the early days of SC2. People always play the same forced style blizzard wants you to play. Why? nearly everything that the community/pros innovated have been patched out of existence. Wait, which units go unused? Least used units are hydra, battlecruiser, and carrier... which have largely gone unchanged. Reaper is maybe your only argument, but everybody knows old reaper was simply too good. Every other unit sees a tremendous amount of usage all the time.
It was too good cause the maps were awful
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wish i had known about this a week ago instead of blizzard lying and pretending they were actually going to fix terran...time for a new game...and game company.
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Any takers on the bet that the next Blizzard patch will.... actually nerf Terran? I'd say the odds are 50/50. "We have seen how powerful Mech is, as Mvp has shown, therefore we must nerf it."
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Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous.
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On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous.
are you surprised? they want you to buy the expansion.
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just make ravens faster and seeker missile cheaper.
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On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous.
And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea?
oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble 
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BC damage buff would be nice since they admit it needs one > implementing for HOTS. It makes me really angry and sad when I fight to stay alive all game, get 4 bases, save gas/spend it on battlecruisers all game long and zerg simply holds down corruptor hotkey and smashes them in seconds.
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On September 01 2012 15:32 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 15:10 Narw wrote:On September 01 2012 15:08 YyapSsap wrote:On September 01 2012 15:02 Narw wrote:
If i would be David Kim after reading this so called thread i would completly ignore any kind of community feedback. It's absolutly disgusting how much QQ every action Blizzard performs generates. They do something - bad, they decide to wait - bad. Compare balance at this point of game to what it was at start and ask yourself - does Blizzard really do so bad job?
Disgusting crybabies. Yes. They've done a bad job. So many units go unused or fill very niche roles compared to the early days of SC2. People always play the same forced style blizzard wants you to play. Why? nearly everything that the community/pros innovated have been patched out of existence. I'm really sorry i don't see those awesome innovative 4 rax reaper builds anymore. Really i am. Should a unit become underpowered and underused because of one early overpowered build? Would that build be too powerful with the increased roach and queen range that have been added after in addition to a higher skill level and understanding of the zerg players? Could the reaper have been buffed in some other way to make it useful while avoiding the 4 rax reaper problem? I hope blizzard doesn't do the same thing to the hots units if they happen to be in a powerful strategy early in the games life. It would be a shame to buy the expansion so you can use the new units and then they become to weak to use like the reaper.
Exactly. They outright killed it. Why not let the players figure it out or tweak it ever so slightly that wouldn't completely kill the unit? Another example would be how Ps were figuring out 1-1-1s then out of nowhere immortals got a range buff to help against such a push that still to this day plagues the Zs more so than Ts.
Just as Zs were dealing with all sorts of early pressure from Ts (the ones that did really stood apart from the rest e.g. DRG) they gave the queen a range 5 buff.
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On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble
What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot.
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On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble
Nestea has lost sets and games to European Terrans before the queen patch dumbass.
Fuck off if you can't bring an actual argument.
User was warned for this post
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On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot.
You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol
everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^
You cant possibly deny that?
The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds.
MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing..
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On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing..
you havnt watched sc2 in 6 months or what? nestea hasnt been a top zerg in a long time. tvz is shit and imbalanced...when 90% of people complain about a matchup something must be done
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On September 01 2012 16:24 fawkz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing.. you havnt watched sc2 in 6 months or what? nestea hasnt been a top zerg in a long time. tvz is shit and imbalanced...when 90% of people complain about a matchup something must be done
Something will only be done when the 90% is protoss or zerg. Blizzard hates terran.
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On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing..
Top zerg?
NesTea has been one of the worst code S zergs in ZvT for a very long time. About the time when the game was kinda figured out enough that players with subpar mechanics aren't able to win championships anymore.
A lot of better koreans terrans lost matches or games (Keen, fOrGG etc can't remember them all) to inferior european zergs, Mvp being able to win when Nerchio can't handle the pressure anymore won't discard that.
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On September 01 2012 16:04 aviator116 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble Nestea has lost sets and games to European Terrans before the queen patch dumbass. Fuck off if you can't bring an actual argument.
Never said he hasn't 
And i would just like to point out that "Player X won/lost against player Y in a best of 3/5/7 that means the XVY matchup is balanced/imbalanced" is not a fucking argument, i was pointing out how stupid it was... it's something that no one with half a brain ACTUALLY cares about, and neither does blizzard.
It's just annoying to read some people actually be stupid enough to say "MVP crushing zergs means nothing, he would beat them if the game was balanced or not balanced, doesn't matter" and then choose to ignore Kas crushing a Code S zerg.. neither of them matters, it's just annoying to see people be that stupid and biased.
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On September 01 2012 16:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing.. Top zerg? NesTea has been one of the worst code S zergs in ZvT for a very long time. About the time when the game was kinda figured out enough that players with subpar mechanics aren't able to win championships anymore. A lot of better koreans terrans lost matches or games (Keen, fOrGG etc can't remember them all) to inferior european zergs, Mvp being able to win when Nerchio can't handle the pressure anymore won't discard that.
I dont give a shit who wins against who at IEM, THAT is my fucking point.. Oh i'm sorry, it seems i didn't get the PM where it says Code S is no longer enough to call someone "Top", sorry for that, i should've known Code S is now mid-tier players mostly.
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On September 01 2012 16:27 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing.. Top zerg? NesTea has been one of the worst code S zergs in ZvT for a very long time. About the time when the game was kinda figured out enough that players with subpar mechanics aren't able to win championships anymore. A lot of better koreans terrans lost matches or games (Keen, fOrGG etc can't remember them all) to inferior european zergs, Mvp being able to win when Nerchio can't handle the pressure anymore won't discard that.
How can you list forGG? What has he done that is notable in SC2? He was big in BW, but he hasnt done anything in SC2. Saying hes a top T while nestea is a subpar zerg is straight dishonest.
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On September 01 2012 16:24 fawkz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing.. you havnt watched sc2 in 6 months or what? nestea hasnt been a top zerg in a long time. tvz is shit and imbalanced...when 90% of people complain about a matchup something must be done
I have.
once again, sorry i forgot that Code S is mid tier players nowadays, forgive me ^^
90% of people do not complain, Most people did complain after the patch, it has been quite some time, and winrates are going back towards 50/50 again, not there yet, but it's getting there
Btw, i'm 100% in support of the patch changes, i want them to patch it too... What i am tired of is seeing idiots make idiotic comments such as "MVP wins = no patch" it's not as simple as that, and anyone that thinks so is actually an idiot.
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On September 01 2012 16:38 Mephtral wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 16:24 fawkz wrote:On September 01 2012 16:18 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 16:00 Whatson wrote:On September 01 2012 15:50 Mephtral wrote:On September 01 2012 15:35 Whatson wrote:
Holy shit because MVP made TvZ work against Europeans, all of a sudden the game is balanced? Blizzard blows my mind so many times, this is fucking ridiculous. And at the same time they made european TvZ work against Nestea? oh sorry, i shouldn't disturb you in that bubble What bubble? I don't consider Nestea that good of a Zerg anymore. Do tell me how many zergs got into IEM ro4? Sorry to burst your bubble idiot. You dont consider Nestea a good zerg anymore? wtf lol everyone knows he isn't best zerg in the world anymore, but he is still easily top zerg...^^ You cant possibly deny that? The "bubble" is the one where you are ignorant enough to think blizzard balances the game by watching 1 terran win one tournament..while you ignore everything else, like terrans getting back to even winrates again, a ton of terrans saying they dont feel it's nearly as bad now, and they feel like they can play against zergs again with new builds. MVP winning means NOTHING, it's 1 player, same goes for Kas winning against nestea, but the fact that you picked one of them and more or less say "This one should be expected! it doesn't count, he is top korean and they are foreigners" and at the same time say the other one that is a foreigner crushing a 3 time Code S champion (And still Code S) isn't surprising because the zerg isn't very good.. it's just amazing.. you havnt watched sc2 in 6 months or what? nestea hasnt been a top zerg in a long time. tvz is shit and imbalanced...when 90% of people complain about a matchup something must be done I have. once again, sorry i forgot that Code S is mid tier players nowadays, forgive me ^^ 90% of people do not complain, Most people did complain after the patch, it has been quite some time, and winrates are going back towards 50/50 again, not there yet, but it's getting there Btw, i'm 100% in support of the patch changes, i want them to patch it too... What i am tired of is seeing idiots make idiotic comments such as "MVP wins = no patch" it's not as simple as that, and anyone that thinks so is actually an idiot.
sorry to dissapoint you, but blizzard is simply NOT capable of balancing their own game. it just wont happen. the truth is they did look at just one tournament, and simply said "tvz fine"
game is dead/will be dead competetivly soon after hots launch.
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