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Situation Report: August 31, 2012 by David Kim - Page 18

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sorrowptoss
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Canada1431 Posts
August 31 2012 20:44 GMT
#341
I think that balance discussing and "whining" is draining the love of SC2 and the energy of gamers. Just chill out and open SC2 ladder and get laddering instead of thinking of Theorycraft all day long.
Frex
Profile Joined March 2012
Finland888 Posts
August 31 2012 20:45 GMT
#342
On September 01 2012 05:36 The_Darkness wrote:
Even as a zerg player, I would like to have seen changes to creep spread. I think that generally slowing it down a bit and causing it to dissapate faster would have been nice, subtle changes that would have made late game tvz more interesting. Zergs are so good at spreading creep that creep spread just feels a bit "abusive" to me but that's not a good reason to nerf something by itself. If they made ravens a bit cheaper and take less time to build I think more Terrans would spring for them earlier and that it would make the tvz match more interesting.


Increasing creep recede speed is something I remember DeMusliM suggesting on his stream, it would be the right approach to changing creep if that would be necessary in my opinion. Right now it takes 60 seconds for OL creep to recede and 120 seconds for a single creep tumor to recede, both take a long time in fast-paced RTS like SC2.
forsooth
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3648 Posts
August 31 2012 20:46 GMT
#343
So they nerf Terran in a hasty and reactionary fashion every few months but take their sweet time deciding whether to nerf Zerg a bit but ultimately decide against it because the best player in the world beats some Euro patchzergs and Gumiho lights up Slayers one night. The fuck is going on here?
Nazeron
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1046 Posts
August 31 2012 20:49 GMT
#344
happy to see them letting things work out before doing anything to hasty
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Zoku
Profile Joined November 2010
307 Posts
August 31 2012 20:50 GMT
#345
The sad thing is, terran will adapt, TvZ will eventually approach a 50% win rate, and then blizz will nerf terran again.
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 20:54:12
August 31 2012 20:52 GMT
#346
david kim and bilzzard are doing a great job not over-reacting to every "chicken little" in this thread claiming the sky is falling.

They've done such a great job with WoL that I'm voting with my wallet and buying the Collector's Edition of HotS.
However, I suspect Blizzard will have a much harder time selling HotS Collector's Editions this time around.

On September 01 2012 01:16 xrapture wrote:
He truly is clueless. Mvp and Bomber beat some fucking foreigners at IEM and it proves TvZ is balanced? What a joke.
And I'm guessing he didn't even bother to watch MLG.


an MVP still limited by RSI.
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Chronos.
Profile Joined February 2012
United States805 Posts
August 31 2012 20:54 GMT
#347
That's some seriously flawed logic by Blizzard imo, even as a Zerg I was willing to accept that those changes would be balanced, then people use Ravens in just a couple of games and they decide not to go through with it...
BlackPride
Profile Joined July 2012
United States186 Posts
August 31 2012 20:54 GMT
#348
All this flaming on Blizzard is absolutely beyond me. How can you guys think that you know more about the game, than people who do it for a freakin living. These Blizzard guys have all the stats readily available and watch ALL the tournaments. Why some people think that the whole matchup is imba because they've been struggling lately is simply put, outrageous. Blizzard cares, and they play their own games. That's what makes them so great and that's why they work so darn hard at it.
I've never waited in line at the DMV [YVNG]
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
August 31 2012 20:57 GMT
#349
On September 01 2012 05:54 BlackPride wrote:
All this flaming on Blizzard is absolutely beyond me. How can you guys think that you know more about the game, than people who do it for a freakin living.

Were they doing it for free when Roaches were 1 supply, or Warpgate research was 60 seconds, or BFH dealt 24 damage to Light units, or when KA still existed? No, eh? So seems like earning money from doing something doesn't guarantee you're good at it...
AnomalySC2
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 21:00:20
August 31 2012 20:58 GMT
#350
On September 01 2012 05:44 BuddhaMonk wrote:
I think people should give Blizzard a break here. By any standard even up to pro level the game is balanced extremely well. For sure it's hard for David Kim to understand all the super high level subtleties because he's not a pro. He does though have access to way more information than any of us so I think people should state their case but give David Kim some credit.


Actually he is really quite insane at the game. He can blame only himself for listening to the community and nerfed stuff that shouldn't have been nerfed. Now the game is all sorts of broken, but again he designed this thing, he knows better than anyone what is actually OP.
CamoPillbox
Profile Joined April 2012
Czech Republic229 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 20:59:13
August 31 2012 20:58 GMT
#351
With queen buff is creep spread unstopabble in any matchup mass queen happen very litttle slow the creep will help balance
Czech Terran(Hots) player
Vague
Profile Joined April 2011
170 Posts
August 31 2012 21:01 GMT
#352
I'm a masters terran, and I'm sick of losing against zerg. I would love a buff. BUT, and this is the big problem blizzard faces, ANY buff they can give terran that could actually help terrans (other than the top Koreans) could be easily abused by Taeja, MVP, Pot, MVP, among others, thereby making them unbeatable. There is no obvious way of making the game balanced for the mortal terrans without making the few top terrans unbeatable.
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 31 2012 21:04 GMT
#353
I really hate the way they deal with terran problems: terran always has to find micro solutions while the other races are just buffed.

111 too strong? Immortal gets better range.
Hellion openers too hard to deal with as zerg? Queen more range.

Zerg army too hard to deal with in the late game and too easy to get for the zerg? Use your ravens better. pff

ravens do not only need a buff for tvz, they could be useful in the other matchups as well if they werent so slow and easy to snipe... they cost 200 gas and are a light unit wtf...
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
zhurai
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States5660 Posts
August 31 2012 21:04 GMT
#354
On September 01 2012 06:01 Vague wrote:
I'm a masters terran, and I'm sick of losing against zerg. I would love a buff. BUT, and this is the big problem blizzard faces, ANY buff they can give terran that could actually help terrans (other than the top Koreans) could be easily abused by Taeja, MVP, Pot, MVP, among others, thereby making them unbeatable. There is no obvious way of making the game balanced for the mortal terrans without making the few top terrans unbeatable.

mvp/polt/mkp/taeja imba
Twitter: @zhurai | Site: http://zhurai.com
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada16925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-31 21:05:26
August 31 2012 21:05 GMT
#355
On September 01 2012 05:57 TheDwf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 05:54 BlackPride wrote:
All this flaming on Blizzard is absolutely beyond me. How can you guys think that you know more about the game, than people who do it for a freakin living.

Were they doing it for free when Roaches were 1 supply, or Warpgate research was 60 seconds, or BFH dealt 24 damage to Light units, or when KA still existed? No, eh? So seems like earning money from doing something doesn't guarantee you're good at it...


nothign is stopping you from making your own MOD of the game... hell Blizzard will even promote it in their "Arcade".
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
August 31 2012 21:06 GMT
#356
On September 01 2012 06:01 Vague wrote:
I'm a masters terran, and I'm sick of losing against zerg. I would love a buff. BUT, and this is the big problem blizzard faces, ANY buff they can give terran that could actually help terrans (other than the top Koreans) could be easily abused by Taeja, MVP, Pot, MVP, among others, thereby making them unbeatable. There is no obvious way of making the game balanced for the mortal terrans without making the few top terrans unbeatable.


Not buffing terran, but nerfing zerg perhaps? The creep recede speed is a good place to start.
Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
August 31 2012 21:07 GMT
#357
Makes total sense. Wait for the metagame to quiet down to actually make balance changes.
Bora Pain minha porra!
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25553 Posts
August 31 2012 21:07 GMT
#358
On September 01 2012 06:05 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 01 2012 05:57 TheDwf wrote:
On September 01 2012 05:54 BlackPride wrote:
All this flaming on Blizzard is absolutely beyond me. How can you guys think that you know more about the game, than people who do it for a freakin living.

Were they doing it for free when Roaches were 1 supply, or Warpgate research was 60 seconds, or BFH dealt 24 damage to Light units, or when KA still existed? No, eh? So seems like earning money from doing something doesn't guarantee you're good at it...


nothign is stopping you from making your own MOD of the game... hell Blizzard will even promote it in their "Arcade".


What would be really interesting would be a mod that lets you select what patch you'd like to play in. Like you'd be able to play with Overseers casting Frenzy and EMP with like 9 radius or whatever it had.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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13JackaL
Profile Joined March 2011
United States577 Posts
August 31 2012 21:09 GMT
#359
Bliz: Hey Terran we are finally going to buff you a bit again!
T: YAAAAY
Bliz: Not!

T:

Oh come on, despite tournament results they cannot seriously believe that the slightest buff to ravens and the tiniest nerf to creep spread would truly shift anything? It would only serve to keep the metagame fresh, which is a good thing right?
and my axe
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
August 31 2012 21:10 GMT
#360
On September 01 2012 06:01 Vague wrote:
I'm a masters terran, and I'm sick of losing against zerg. I would love a buff. BUT, and this is the big problem blizzard faces, ANY buff they can give terran that could actually help terrans (other than the top Koreans) could be easily abused by Taeja, MVP, Pot, MVP, among others, thereby making them unbeatable. There is no obvious way of making the game balanced for the mortal terrans without making the few top terrans unbeatable.


Find a zerg that you think is the same skill level as you, but still stomps you, message him and ask if you can practice against them. Keep doing this and look at your replays until you figure out where the holes in your play are. Become more than mortal.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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