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On August 30 2012 14:36 AlphaWhale wrote:
As a rapidly flourishing industry, Starcraft 2 needs it's own TMZ. We've got the drama, we just need the publication - perhaps TLZ?
On a serious note, what we can learn from this is that nude photographs (dick pixxx included) are always a gamble. A fun, sexy gamble. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
Please, god. NOOOOOO
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On August 30 2012 14:37 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:20 FortMonty wrote:On August 30 2012 14:10 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 14:05 FortMonty wrote:On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Sigh. Misogyny includes sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
Destiny was asking if he should have sex with a woman with an ugly face and good body. That is the sexual objectification of women.
Do I really need to spell it all out for you like that? Do I need to explain exactly how that comment makes her (and women in general) out to be sexual objects?
Sigh. I cant belive the bullshit people write. If i say "wow she has great boobs but ugly" that makes me woman hater. Yeah. You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log. I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not. And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers who have bought the lie, so it won't be understood. Society markets women's as object. Don't hate the Pantene girl because she is beautiful, but we do hate her, because he we are objectifying her. Thankfully, the sponsors understand. You're way too politically correct, sure people understand what you're saying, but the fact is that some people don't agree. It doesn't makeus uneducated, it means that we are educated enough to understand that what they did was "mean" but not illegal. Though I guess you're too stuck up and self righteous to accept that as an answer, am I right? (See, I can make baseless assumptions and characterizations about the people who disagree with me as well) Again (second time I've said this) I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that. If you aren't educated, you might not be able to see that they are misogynistic comment, or you might not understand it. There is nothing wrong with that. And the fact is people would agree with me they are misogynistic if they understand what it means because those comments are misogynistic. This isn't open to interpretation, it is simply looking at the definition and understanding the English language. The same as stating the sky is blue. Look at the sky. If you aren't educated in know what the sky is, you won't understand. However they might disagree with what happened and believe we should sponsor people that are misogynistic. If that is the case the person is misogynistic themselves, even if they think they are not. Again, going back to the definition, if you support companies who sponsor people who say misogynistic things, then you don't respect women, because you wouldn't support companies who sponsor misogynistic people if you did. I've won many scored debates in my days, the the key to stick to the definitions and outmaneuver people with semantics. You can't lose. I'm making a point, not trying to win a debate, misogynistic? Yes, I agree with you that the definiton of the word matches the implication of the event, but the question of the debate has always been, was this right, wrong, good, bad, so on and so forth. Not only that, but I DO disagree with you, supporting someone does not instantly make you a supporter of everything they stand for, I support Freedom of Speech, but I do not support the use of free Speech to publically degrade others, of course you can argue that because I support Destiny, I thereby support Destiny publically degrading the girl to his 2 friends and therefore am a supporter directly or indirectly of degrading other with Free Speech, which really just amounts to this being a big fucking play of words and silly use of definitions and starmans to twist and turn the arguement in your favor. The fact is, people need common sense as well as book smarts, the English language does not have enough words or definitions to account for EVERY single possible scenario or positio on every possible topic. What you're doing is essentially mimicing William Lane Craig as an artful avoider of commonsense and questions and playing silly word games. Good response man, well played. I actually don't know who William Lane Craig is though. This isn't a silly word game though. People are defined by their actions. Is it right? Is it wrong? I am not sure. Clearly you think it isn't right. that people shouldn't always be defined by their actions. And I just wrote a long post about how people literally can't be defined by their actions semantically, because if a honest person lies once, they are not honest are they? But that isn't the point here. The point is how do the sponsors define people.Think about this. Every once and awhile some famous figure somewhere in the world says something like "You know, Hitler did some great things, he did a lot of terrible things, but he really did some great things..." I am sure you've heard it, we all have. And then said famous figure gets flamed by the media and every anti-defamation league in the world, ect, and they apologize, and fade away in obscurity. I'm sure you've heard that story. Should that person forever be defined by those comments? Should he lose sponsorship, fame, endorsements, ect because of that? In the end whatever you or I think really doesn't matter. It what the sponsors and media think. And they play it safe. And so Destiny loses. He has received second chances in the past because he is a big name (as Michael Vick and Tiger Woods) and he might get another chance, because he is popular. But for now, those comments define him, and attaching your name to him now is the same as sponsor attaching their name to Tiger Woods after it came out he was having an affair. It makes you look like an awful person.
I've already said that I completely agree with Root for making that decision however hard it may have been. Do I think it's right that they did? Yes, do I think it's right that it has to come to that? Not so much, but as you said, it's not what I think it's what they think and they made the right call for their company, my point is, it's bullshit that it's the right call.
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On August 30 2012 14:37 Shantastic wrote:I gotta agree with you on this one. This discussion has become absurd...
We're social animals, we gotta massage our natural instinct to socialize.:D
The thread has become pretty stupid lol, but I don't care, so long as there's something to talk about, I'll get in the mix until the hammer comes down and it's time to move on to the next little amusement. Guess that would make me a follower.:D
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On August 30 2012 14:31 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:21 TheExile19 wrote:On August 30 2012 14:17 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 14:07 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 14:03 -KarmA wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough.
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up. Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama). You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.> retardedly high standard? How is asking pros to be respectful and not vandalizing someone's looks a retardedly high standard? I didn't care for it when it was just private chat, but it crossed the line when said pros came into this thread proudly once more attacking her look in public. It should not be too far fetch to ask for some decencies in players. So they are attacking her looks in public when they say that this was their own private opinion in a private chat. Glad that nobody else EVER has said anything bad about another person.I m glad that there are so many perfectly behaving people out there. I continue to be baffled as to how you're leaving the nudes out of this conversation on both sides. I'm willing to put myself out there and say that bluetea probably wouldn't have gone postal over some typical male low-key objectification if it hadn't been backed up by pics. also, you guys can grandstand about privacy but maybe you should be doing it in front of destiny while holding signs that read "change your passwords once in a while, or just don't give them out!" I stated multiple times that i was absolutly not ok to give the nude pics to his friends neither it was ok to twitter his dick to the public. First this are two different topics: 1. Destiny getting kicked out. In my opinion its a disgrace for the community to msg the sponsors and its also a shameful act of people msging the sponsors who are not involved in the community to get their own kind of vengence. 2. People are mad at tt1 and rootfaye for making this kind of statements. Its highly hypocritical and just totally unacceptable that people are saying they are assholes when they arent any better. There was nothing wrong with that conversation and just because it got public it shouldnt have any impact at all. They didnt harm anybody nor did they do anything illegal. They just stated their opinions.
1. destiny is an absolute joke and should be nowhere near the pro scene in any capacity. difference of our opinions, and even though I didn't write anybody I really don't find it wondrous that someone would want him removed from an aspiring team for the good of that team and the scene. also, if you don't think that sponsors are involved in the community I'm truly not sure where to start.
2. I'm perfectly within my rights to be a moral elitist, and I'm further within my rights (ethereal as they are) to try and push far enough that it does have an impact. the issue you're running into is that of fairness, and unfortunately the circumstances mitigate that perfectly simply because every bit of this situation was under wraps until bluetea blew it up with the special inroad she had, and no amount of hand-wringing apologism could corral that horse back into the stable once it was out. at this point you're arguing against the very standards of professionalism and the conundrum of living in the limelight vs. living outside it as best you can, and what we're seeing as we've seen again and again with destiny is that his good qualities can boost him up as his shitty opinions and poor moral judgment can drag him right back down, because that's the arena he exists in. this is just another low point for him; eventually he'll rebound, and in a few months we'll be right back here again.
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On August 30 2012 14:41 FortMonty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:37 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 14:20 FortMonty wrote:On August 30 2012 14:10 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 14:05 FortMonty wrote:On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Sigh. Misogyny includes sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
Destiny was asking if he should have sex with a woman with an ugly face and good body. That is the sexual objectification of women.
Do I really need to spell it all out for you like that? Do I need to explain exactly how that comment makes her (and women in general) out to be sexual objects?
Sigh. I cant belive the bullshit people write. If i say "wow she has great boobs but ugly" that makes me woman hater. Yeah. You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log. I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not. And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers who have bought the lie, so it won't be understood. Society markets women's as object. Don't hate the Pantene girl because she is beautiful, but we do hate her, because he we are objectifying her. Thankfully, the sponsors understand. You're way too politically correct, sure people understand what you're saying, but the fact is that some people don't agree. It doesn't makeus uneducated, it means that we are educated enough to understand that what they did was "mean" but not illegal. Though I guess you're too stuck up and self righteous to accept that as an answer, am I right? (See, I can make baseless assumptions and characterizations about the people who disagree with me as well) Again (second time I've said this) I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that. If you aren't educated, you might not be able to see that they are misogynistic comment, or you might not understand it. There is nothing wrong with that. And the fact is people would agree with me they are misogynistic if they understand what it means because those comments are misogynistic. This isn't open to interpretation, it is simply looking at the definition and understanding the English language. The same as stating the sky is blue. Look at the sky. If you aren't educated in know what the sky is, you won't understand. However they might disagree with what happened and believe we should sponsor people that are misogynistic. If that is the case the person is misogynistic themselves, even if they think they are not. Again, going back to the definition, if you support companies who sponsor people who say misogynistic things, then you don't respect women, because you wouldn't support companies who sponsor misogynistic people if you did. I've won many scored debates in my days, the the key to stick to the definitions and outmaneuver people with semantics. You can't lose. I'm making a point, not trying to win a debate, misogynistic? Yes, I agree with you that the definiton of the word matches the implication of the event, but the question of the debate has always been, was this right, wrong, good, bad, so on and so forth. Not only that, but I DO disagree with you, supporting someone does not instantly make you a supporter of everything they stand for, I support Freedom of Speech, but I do not support the use of free Speech to publically degrade others, of course you can argue that because I support Destiny, I thereby support Destiny publically degrading the girl to his 2 friends and therefore am a supporter directly or indirectly of degrading other with Free Speech, which really just amounts to this being a big fucking play of words and silly use of definitions and starmans to twist and turn the arguement in your favor. The fact is, people need common sense as well as book smarts, the English language does not have enough words or definitions to account for EVERY single possible scenario or positio on every possible topic. What you're doing is essentially mimicing William Lane Craig as an artful avoider of commonsense and questions and playing silly word games. Good response man, well played. I actually don't know who William Lane Craig is though. This isn't a silly word game though. People are defined by their actions. Is it right? Is it wrong? I am not sure. Clearly you think it isn't right. that people shouldn't always be defined by their actions. And I just wrote a long post about how people literally can't be defined by their actions semantically, because if a honest person lies once, they are not honest are they? But that isn't the point here. The point is how do the sponsors define people.Think about this. Every once and awhile some famous figure somewhere in the world says something like "You know, Hitler did some great things, he did a lot of terrible things, but he really did some great things..." I am sure you've heard it, we all have. And then said famous figure gets flamed by the media and every anti-defamation league in the world, ect, and they apologize, and fade away in obscurity. I'm sure you've heard that story. Should that person forever be defined by those comments? Should he lose sponsorship, fame, endorsements, ect because of that? In the end whatever you or I think really doesn't matter. It what the sponsors and media think. And they play it safe. And so Destiny loses. He has received second chances in the past because he is a big name (as Michael Vick and Tiger Woods) and he might get another chance, because he is popular. But for now, those comments define him, and attaching your name to him now is the same as sponsor attaching their name to Tiger Woods after it came out he was having an affair. It makes you look like an awful person. I've already said that I completely agree with Root for making that decision however hard it may have been. Do I think it's right that they did? Yes, do I think it's right that it has to come to that? Not so much, but as you said, it's not what I think it's what they think and they made the right call for their company, my point is, it's bullshit that it's the right call.
But you'd be dumb if your company made any other kind of call business wise. Anyway I think it was the right call. In my book, grown men don't refer to women (or anyone) like that and they have the moral character and maturity not to get themselves into a situation like that, because they don't hang around with people like that either. Myself, I am still growing up, but I am getting there.
So we can agree to disagree, and that is fine, since it comes down to an opinion about how people should act and that is a much lengthier debate (which digs down into justice and the meaning of life) for another time I think. Just wanted to make sure we were all clear on the facts.
I enjoyed the discussion.
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I don't feel sorry for him in the least. The guy has some growing up to do.
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On August 30 2012 04:32 Medrea wrote:Again? I must have missed this supposed Destiny drama. What happened? EDIT: Looks like its here. http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:45 Medrea wrote:
You share pictures of a girl without her permission and the girl ALSO knows your account passwords and shit?
How stupid can you be lol?
Must have been drunk. Later on I found this. http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/yt1a8/to_spare_erin_heres_whats_going_on/c5yk784Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:47 Medrea wrote:Destiny posted this on reddit. Was to two people***, not an entire chat room of people, two people that I consider pretty close friends.
I never feigned ignorance, just didn't want to get into it right before an MLG.
I can't imagine how you can think that people will never, ever, ever talk about anything personal or private amongst their friends. Maybe I'm just stupid, but I can't see myself caring at all if you shared pictures between your close friends, especially given the fact that I'd never see any of them in real life.
Glad you think you have a right to every single private conversation I ever have, though. Posting pictures of my dick to 37k people + cutting me off from access to my e-mail/twitter is probably reasonable payback for me discussing something personal with two friends.
Thanks for the new work location, I wonder what your boss will think of this. Or your dean, for that matter. I wonder if it'd affect your scholarship or financial aid? Holy shit this guy has a fucking nasty personality. What the hell man. Don't do that if you want to be known as being better than that. Also evidently the girl was 15. Im guessing thats part of the comment. So basically Destiny got caught circulating underaged photo's which is a bigtime federal fuck-me-in-the-ass crime. Different girl, thank god we didn't need that on SC2's head. More + Show Spoiler +This is the skype conversation linked. It sort of clarifies whats going on. It was linked in destiny's fanclub. http://pastebin.com/B7yC0Xz5On August 30 2012 09:32 ROOTT1 wrote:the pic steven linked in our chat is this one (when he says the girl on the left is her, aka bluetea) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/sCW8S.jpg) On August 30 2012 09:50 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 09:43 silverdevilboy wrote:
jesus, so little reading comprehension.
THAT IS THE PICTURE HE POSTED IN THE SKYPE CHAT. HE PM'D MORE (nudes, confirmed) TO THEM PRIVATELY.
YES HE GAVE THEM HER NUDES.
NO SHE ISN'T 15
NO HE DIDN'T GIVE 15YR OLDS DICK PICS
THE 15 YR OLD IS SOME FANGIRL WHO SENT HIM PICS, HE DID NOTHING. pretty much this lol, dunno why this is so hard to understand Mod feel free to edit this if its borderline, I was just confused as to what the heck even happened.
Just out of curiousity, did the other pics get released into the public? And why did she take nude photos of herself in the first place?
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On August 30 2012 14:36 AlphaWhale wrote:
As a rapidly flourishing industry, Starcraft 2 needs it's own TMZ. We've got the drama, we just need the publication - perhaps TLZ?
On a serious note, what we can learn from this is that nude photographs (dick pixxx included) are always a gamble. A fun, sexy gamble. Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
We have several. They're called forums.
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How many times does this guy have to fired before he figures out to get with the program. New flash when you become a public figure representing a brand the rules change. All that misogynistic racist homophobic shit no longer flys. Period. End of story. If you dont like that, if you dont agree with that maybe you should find a job were you are not in the public eye.
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he had it coming to him. you can't go around the public doing what he does without any consequences
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On August 30 2012 14:46 TheExile19 wrote:
1. destiny is an absolute joke and should be nowhere near the pro scene in any capacity.
Destiny 2-0'd Maker who then went all the way to the Championship Bracket from the Loser's Bracket. You are not very perceptive or perhaps you just didn't follow MLG?
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This will be mean but, Destiny has not shown he is good enough for a team. I wish him good luck in streaming as a career (he is now tied with Brett Favre in dick pics which is a great start) and if he can get a decent salary doing that I love him for that.
Just, with his behavior and things with low results he doesn't deserve a team.
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On August 30 2012 14:54 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:46 TheExile19 wrote:
1. destiny is an absolute joke and should be nowhere near the pro scene in any capacity. Destiny 2-0'd Maker who then went all the way to the Championship Bracket from the Loser's Bracket. You are not very perceptive or perhaps you just didn't follow MLG?
Your statement does nothing to disprove his point.
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On August 30 2012 14:56 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
This will be mean but, Destiny has not shown he is good enough for a team. I wish him good luck in streaming as a career (he is now tied with Brett Favre in dick pics which is a great start) and if he can get a decent salary doing that I love him for that.
Just, with his behavior and things with low results he doesn't deserve a team.
I don't think that's necessarily fair - He's a pretty good SC2 player. He's just a drama magnet - some of it deserved, some of it not. But he does himself absolutely no favours by posting blog entries about how fans should conduct themselves around pro gamers while he's conducting himself in a less than admirable way.
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On August 30 2012 14:53 Detwiler wrote:
How many times does this guy have to fired before he figures out to get with the program. New flash when you become a public figure representing a brand the rules change. All that misogynistic racist homophobic shit no longer flys. Period. End of story. If you dont like that, if you dont agree with that maybe you should find a job were you are not in the public eye.
Guess what, thats why he has more viewers than a much better colourless korean that types GG every game. Thats why idra also gets a lot of attention, because people like this kind of stuff or they hate it. In every way players like destiny/idra combine love and hatred onto one person, thats why they are so well known.
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On August 30 2012 14:27 Wombat_NI wrote:
You're a semantic little fellow aren't you?
On August 30 2012 14:10 BronzeKnee wrote:
I've won many scored debates in my days, the is key to stick to the definitions and outmaneuver people with semantics. You can't lose.
You are darn right I am! If you can define what you are talking about, you can pin down your opponent. And the only way to define things, is to define them the same way the dictionary has em down. So bring a dictionary with you! And if you're losing, it is probably because your belief about the subject is wrong... and so you need to adjust your beliefs until you are right.
And then you'll win even more debates, but more importantly, you'll be closer to understanding stuff.
On August 30 2012 14:28 freakhill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:10 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 14:05 FortMonty wrote:On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Sigh. Misogyny includes sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
Destiny was asking if he should have sex with a woman with an ugly face and good body. That is the sexual objectification of women.
Do I really need to spell it all out for you like that? Do I need to explain exactly how that comment makes her (and women in general) out to be sexual objects?
Sigh. I cant belive the bullshit people write. If i say "wow she has great boobs but ugly" that makes me woman hater. Yeah. You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log. I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not. And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers who have bought the lie, so it won't be understood. Society markets women's as object. Don't hate the Pantene girl because she is beautiful, but we do hate her, because he we are objectifying her. Thankfully, the sponsors understand. You're way too politically correct, sure people understand what you're saying, but the fact is that some people don't agree. It doesn't makeus uneducated, it means that we are educated enough to understand that what they did was "mean" but not illegal. Though I guess you're too stuck up and self righteous to accept that as an answer, am I right? (See, I can make baseless assumptions and characterizations about the people who disagree with me as well) Again (second time I've said this) I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that. If you aren't educated, you might not be able to see that they are misogynistic comment, or you might not understand it. There is nothing wrong with that. And the fact is people would agree with me they are misogynistic if they understand what it means because those comments are misogynistic. This isn't open to interpretation, it is simply looking at the definition and understanding the English language. The same as stating the sky is blue. Look at the sky. If you aren't educated in know what the sky is, you won't understand. However they might disagree with what happened and believe we should sponsor people that are misogynistic. If that is the case the person is misogynistic themselves, even if they think they are not. Again, going back to the definition, if you support companies who sponsor people who say misogynistic things, then you don't respect women, because you wouldn't support companies who sponsor people who say misogynistic thing if you did respect women. They are incompatible beliefs, and they cannot exist simultaneously in a person (akin to someone say they believe in God, but are an atheist). Make sense? I've won many scored debates in my days, the the key to stick to the definitions and outmaneuver people with semantics. You can't lose. I'm sorry, I read Wikipedia and it doesn't match what you said. Misogyny (play /mɪˈsɒdʒɪni/) is the hatred or dislike of women or girls. According to feminist theory, misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women. [...] According to sociologist Allan G. Johnson, "misogyny is a cultural attitude of hatred for females because they are female." Are you uneducated?
Reading Wikipedia doesn't make you educated, nor does blindly quoting and relying sociologist Allan G. Johnson.
Let me quote your quote: "...misogyny can be manifested in numerous ways, including sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women."
It is widely accepted that the sexual objectification of women is a form misogyny. When women are treated as only sexual objects, when people discuss putting bags over their head so they can't see them (which is a form of humiliation that isn't respectful) while they have sex with them, they are not being respected. I don't really know what else to say, it is a long logical argument to fully prove why sexual objectification of women is a form misogyny, and it is beyond what I want to do here.
Believe what you want, which is what you'll do anyway. If you think that discussion wasn't a form of misogyny then fine. Your not the only misogynistic person the world and I like to discuss things so I can enhance my own knowledge and understand things, because I am selfish, I don't really care if you learn anything.
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On August 30 2012 15:01 Plaaank wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:56 WoodLeagueAllStar wrote:
This will be mean but, Destiny has not shown he is good enough for a team. I wish him good luck in streaming as a career (he is now tied with Brett Favre in dick pics which is a great start) and if he can get a decent salary doing that I love him for that.
Just, with his behavior and things with low results he doesn't deserve a team. I don't think that's necessarily fair - He's a pretty good SC2 player. He's just a drama magnet - some of it deserved, some of it not. But he does himself absolutely no favours by posting blog entries about how fans should conduct themselves around pro gamers while he's conducting himself in a less than admirable way.
Do as i say not as I do!
Important lesson here folks!
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On August 30 2012 14:56 Sc2Null wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:54 Megiddosc wrote:On August 30 2012 14:46 TheExile19 wrote:
1. destiny is an absolute joke and should be nowhere near the pro scene in any capacity. Destiny 2-0'd Maker who then went all the way to the Championship Bracket from the Loser's Bracket. You are not very perceptive or perhaps you just didn't follow MLG? Your statement does nothing to disprove his point.
His logic is sound yo!!
Alicia defeated Leenock who then made it to the Championship bracket! Ergo Destiny would also have made it to Championship Bracket!
Leenock even won the whole thing... I M SURE DESTINY IS THE SAME CALIBRE!
Oh wait... Alicia then lost to Leenock.. who da thunk?
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Chivalry is dead? Manners are overrated?
Grown-up men just don't behave like this.
(especially not behind someone's back)
Btw. Not defending the girl. What she did was pretty from the bottom of the deck, too.
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I cant believe this shit! Really.. a couple of things:
1. She sent him nude pix and asked for sex (also imagine for a second the shitstorm had it been the other way around..). She didnt just send them to a "nice" player like sheth or tlo.. She probably watched his streams a couple of times so she must have known how he is like.
2. He discussed said pictures with 2 friends on skype. He didnt discuss it in stream chat, he was even reluctant to show the pictures to those "friends"..
3. Somehow sponsors get involved??
Its easy to ride to the defence of the poor helpless woman.. but dont you think she can defend herself? She sent nude pictures of herself to a stranger, asking him to have sex with her. So she is obviously pretty confident about her looks. That person made some comments about her face and she posted his junk all over his twitter. So she obviously can handle the situation pretty well on her own.
And in 2 weeks this whole thing will be forgotten.
But who wins in this one? Destiny lost his team, the girl didnt get laid as she wanted, Catz said he didnt really want to loose Destiny, the sponsors fear loosing money over this.. Only a few dickheads who wrote emails about something that didnt concern them may get a minor hard on for a few minutes..
And make no mistake: this conversation happens every day millions of times! And not just among men! How do you think women talk about boyfriends, co workers...
Finally: to those who fear that this will "harm esports".. you are wrong. All this does is show how far esports has gone. When you can afford to have a bunch of "fans" who dont care about games but start writing to sponsors about what players have said in private chats. When you get fired from your team not because you are a mediocre player, but because you said things every one of your team members, leaders or even sponsors has said in the past.
What do you think football players talk about after a game when they drink with some friends? Or baseball players? Do you really believe they praise women for their contributions to science? The only difference is that their conversations are not automatically logged somewhere.
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