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On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough. Show nested quote +
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up.
Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama).
You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.>
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On August 30 2012 14:01 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:
You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log.
I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not.
And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers, so it won't be understood.
Thankfully, the sponsors understand. Oh right so if i m masturbating i m a very very bad uneducated teenager and i m purely evil because i see woman only as sexual objects. Did you ever watch porn? So here you go you are just seeing women as sexual objects.
I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that.
For all you know, I could be misogynistic myself. But this isn't about me or you.
This is about calling misogynistic comments misogynistic. Apples are apples my friend, don't tell me they are Oranges, and don't hate me for like apples if I do.
On August 30 2012 14:03 -KarmA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough.
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up. Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama). You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.>
So people shouldn't act decently toward other humans beings and we should expect companies to actively sponsor people who don't act decently toward other humans beings? I don't think you understand business.
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On August 30 2012 13:55 FortMonty wrote:
It is pretty sad that celebrities need to censore themselves even in confidence of discretion simply because one misfortune of having their personal opinions released can result in them losing their position in a business. It's like people expect celebrities to be perfect human beings and play the roll of dolls who's only purpose is to look pretty in front of their fans. I understand there are rules and guidelines, but no one is perfect and people should ben entitled to privacy, even if they privately dislike someone who privately insult someone, persecuting them on those grounds is almost like convicting someone of thought crime.
I'm attacking them not because they insulted someone on the log, but that they showed no remorse and think its acceptable to attack someone more in public after leak.
What's their morale high ground behind it? "Its just my opinion, and I'm just being honest". Well, when your opinion is to openly demeanor someone for the sake of denigrate them, don't feel surprised when people see you as nothing but a jackass
Also the "no one is perfect" is not a good argument. When you are representing something much bigger than just yourself, your beliefs and actions can be held accountable by your boss.
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well... unfortunate that chatlog got public
in a private setting they can talk how- and about whatever they want. but once it's made public that's a whole different matter, whether you like it or not
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On August 30 2012 13:59 Sokrates wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:53 iky43210 wrote:
why shouldn't you be afraid of leaked private conversation. Its one of the worse disaster that could happen in any business, and even more so in the entertaining industry.
Also there is no hypocrisy here, just you continuing to misuse the word Because if i state my PRIVATE opinion shouldnt fear any consequences for that!? Why is it so hard to understand? I use the word hypocrit because EVERYONE has had one of these conversations but if anybody else has it then he should lose his job/team/whatever. You dont think thats hypocritic? If you say "god this chick as fat as a pig" to a friend you should lose your job because of that statement? People are msg sponsors about this stuff, this is just so wrong, these people are just so pathetic. I cant help myself but it is just purely wrong in my opinion that people have to fear punishment for their own private matters. People shouldnt contact sponsors about this people just say "whatever, his private stuff, he is a douche".
you have control over your own actions. you are conceding a certain amount of general stupidity. do you honestly lack the foresight to predict the outcome of your actions? it does seem to line up with the tone of your posts. i sense frustrated mensa reject. you are 100% responsible for everything you say. always. even in private. if you can't secure a forum in which your ideas can be expressed freely, you shouldn't express dangerous ideas... unless you are willing to be accountable for them.
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NeoDestiny on Reddit:
"I'm not too comfortable having so much personal information just floating around here.
Please remember that life is fairly complicated and that it's easy to demonize just her (or even me, for that matter) without knowing all of the facts.
As much as I'd love to hammer it out and argue with everyone about everything going on here, I have very little interest in justifying or rationalizing any part of my personal life to a group of internet strangers (or trolls).
Sorry if this seems like nazi mod censorship.
"
^^
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On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:47 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Sigh. Misogyny includes sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
Destiny was asking if he should have sex with a woman with an ugly face and good body. That is the sexual objectification of women.
Do I really need to spell it all out for you like that? Do I need to explain exactly how that comment makes her (and women in general) out to be sexual objects?
Sigh. I cant belive the bullshit people write. If i say "wow she has great boobs but ugly" that makes me woman hater. Yeah. You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log. I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not. And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers who have bought the lie, so it won't be understood. Society markets women's as object. Don't hate the Pantene girl because she is beautiful, but we do hate her, because he we are objectifying her. Thankfully, the sponsors understand.
You're way too politically correct, sure people understand what you're saying, but the fact is that some people don't agree. It doesn't makeus uneducated, it means that we are educated enough to understand that what they did was "mean" but not illegal. Though I guess you're too stuck up and self righteous to accept that as an answer, am I right?
(See, I can make baseless assumptions and characterizations about the people who disagree with me as well)
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I am sure there's more shit to come for Destiny, especially with all these enablers around. If he doesn't grow he will continue to shit on himself, it's a given.
I know on the internet when you insult someone they confined to insulting you back. But in real life your insult could get you a broken jaw. She broke his jaw...now he can cry foul all he wants but he should never have initiated this.
Nobody is perfect Destiny. But you need to start learning from this shit, and grow the fuck up.
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On August 30 2012 13:55 Bill Murray wrote:
He's an ex-felon?
Go figure.
Willfully ignoring the point and trying to derail, well done. I was making an anology as someone with an average job getting fired for a crime isn't going to have the same benefit of the doubt at his next one. That's just the way the world works. Destiny isn't doing himself any favors either.
Destiny in trouble often-> Destiny doesn't change-> Destiny gets into more trouble->Repeat
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Steven's main problem here is that he is approaching other people about something that is personal
Why justify yourself? If you like her, be with her, if not, don't.
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On August 30 2012 14:03 -KarmA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough.
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up. Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama). You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.>
retardedly high standard? How is asking pros to be respectful and not vandalizing someone's looks a retardedly high standard? I didn't care for it when it was just private chat, but it crossed the line when said pros came into this thread proudly once more attacking her look in public.
It should not be too far fetch to ask for some decencies in players.
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On August 30 2012 14:07 R3DT1D3 wrote:Willfully ignoring the point and trying to derail, well done. I was making an anology as someone with an average job getting fired for a crime isn't going to have the same benefit of the doubt at his next one. That's just the way the world works. Destiny isn't doing himself any favors either. Destiny in trouble often-> Destiny doesn't change-> Destiny gets into more trouble->Repeat
I wasn't trying to derail anything. I'm approaching this from a P.R. standpoint because I really love Paulo. I've known these guys/known of these guys for 10 years of my life. You used the word felon, hence my question mark.
Welcome to the world of being a Republican... where you have to argue semantics
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On August 30 2012 14:03 -KarmA wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough.
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up. Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama). You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.>
I...I really don't think asking people for the basic decency to not leak what is just about the most personal information possible from friends/significant others/old flames to neutral parties is that difficult or that much to ask. we really don't have to go easy on destiny, especially since ROOT doesn't need him and destiny does not need ROOT. it's not difficult or time-consuming to condemn douchebaggery tinged with misogyny, and you painting it as people throwing tantrums is just tiresome apologism.
I couldn't care less about ROOT and I still applaud their choice. why should any of these questions have to have been attributed to their team, what priceless quantity does destiny represent? just chuck him and be done, let his devoted stream fanbase sustain him like they'll do until he retires and stop letting his immature antics be anywhere near the scene we want to present as a united face to the world.
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On August 30 2012 14:05 FortMonty wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Sigh. Misogyny includes sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
Destiny was asking if he should have sex with a woman with an ugly face and good body. That is the sexual objectification of women.
Do I really need to spell it all out for you like that? Do I need to explain exactly how that comment makes her (and women in general) out to be sexual objects?
Sigh. I cant belive the bullshit people write. If i say "wow she has great boobs but ugly" that makes me woman hater. Yeah. You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log. I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not. And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers who have bought the lie, so it won't be understood. Society markets women's as object. Don't hate the Pantene girl because she is beautiful, but we do hate her, because he we are objectifying her. Thankfully, the sponsors understand. You're way too politically correct, sure people understand what you're saying, but the fact is that some people don't agree. It doesn't makeus uneducated, it means that we are educated enough to understand that what they did was "mean" but not illegal. Though I guess you're too stuck up and self righteous to accept that as an answer, am I right? (See, I can make baseless assumptions and characterizations about the people who disagree with me as well)
Again (second time I've said this) I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that.
If you aren't educated, you might not be able to see that they are misogynistic comment, or you might not understand it. There is nothing wrong with that.
And the fact is people would agree with me they are misogynistic if they understand what it means because those comments are misogynistic. This isn't open to interpretation, it is simply looking at the definition and understanding the English language. The same as stating the sky is blue. Look at the sky. If you aren't educated in know what the sky is, you won't understand.
However they might disagree with what happened and believe we should sponsor people that are misogynistic. If that is the case the person is misogynistic themselves, even if they think they are not. Again, going back to the definition, if you support companies who sponsor people who say misogynistic things, then you don't respect women, because you wouldn't support companies who sponsor people who say misogynistic thing if you did respect women. They are incompatible beliefs, and they cannot exist simultaneously in a person (akin to someone say they believe in God, but are an atheist).
Make sense? I've won many scored debates in my days, the the key to stick to the definitions and outmaneuver people with semantics. You can't lose.
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On August 30 2012 14:07 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:03 -KarmA wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough.
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up. Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama). You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.> retardedly high standard? How is asking pros to be respectful and not vandalizing someone's looks a retardedly high standard? I didn't care for it when it was just private chat, but it crossed the line when said pros came into this thread proudly once more attacking someone's look in public. It should not be too far fetch to ask for some decency in players.
In a private setting they can say whatever they like. Not our place to tell them how to live their lives outside of their public appearances where they are actively representing their sponsors, or their streams or whatever. In this instance I think Fayth's posts were quite a bad idea, given that TL IS in the public domain.
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Whatever. This was bound to happen sooner or later. I don't doubt that Destiny is in fact a decent and honest human being at heart, but in my view he always acts like a child and then complains when people attack him in return. It always bothers me when his drama is happening and he says this, every time:
"Well, yeah, I was a dick, but they went too far and are attacking my livelihood" or something very similar to that.
Well, the issue is that yeah, people might go to far, but he brings it on himself and cannot seem to understand that. He controls most if not all that happens to him. This decision by ROOT seems like the most legitimate and professional decisions that they have ever made. Again, I am not an anti-Destiny guy, as far as I am concerned, he is overall a positive aspect, but whenever I see/hear about more Destiny drama, I just shake my head wondering when he is going to learn or when teams are going to learn about the liability that he brings them.
I hope for the best for both ROOT as a team and for Destiny and I hope he learns to grow up at some point. When he finally does, I think he can do much more for/with the community and for himself then he does now. Good luck guys.
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Good choice by ROOT in my book. The way Destiny created this drama was that of a teenager being as immature as he could be, by simply having no moral respect what so ever for others and for what would be the consequences to those involved.
Be a man for your family Steve, not a boy.
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On August 30 2012 14:03 iky43210 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 13:55 FortMonty wrote:
It is pretty sad that celebrities need to censore themselves even in confidence of discretion simply because one misfortune of having their personal opinions released can result in them losing their position in a business. It's like people expect celebrities to be perfect human beings and play the roll of dolls who's only purpose is to look pretty in front of their fans. I understand there are rules and guidelines, but no one is perfect and people should ben entitled to privacy, even if they privately dislike someone who privately insult someone, persecuting them on those grounds is almost like convicting someone of thought crime. I'm attacking them not because they insulted someone on the log, but that they showed no remorse and think its acceptable to attack someone more in public after leak. What's their morale high ground behind it? "Its just my opinion, and I'm just being honest". Well, when your opinion is to openly demeanor someone for the sake of denigrate them, don't feel surprised when people see you as nothing but a jackass Also the "no one is perfect" is not a good argument. When you are representing something much bigger than just yourself, your beliefs and actions can be held accountable by your boss.
Yeah, I know exactly what they're doing, they're pissed because they said something then she said something and when she said something, their friend lost a job so now their saying something because the damage is already done. They're pissed, They're people, that's what happens when people get pissed. The no one is perfect arguement is a fine example, sure they have standards that they must meet, that is absolutly true and I stated that, but there's no reason everyone should be rediculed for what they do at all hours of the day and every second of their life. These people have to constantly smile and pretend to be a character who they aren't because their actual character is looked upon as "bad" in the eyes of sponsors.
Do I think coming on the TL forums and talking shit about her is bad? Yeah, I do, they're in enough heat as it is, why throw fuel on a fire you want out? However, they are pissed, so their actions are understandable, if not misguided.
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On August 30 2012 14:03 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:01 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:
You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log.
I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not.
And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers, so it won't be understood.
Thankfully, the sponsors understand. Oh right so if i m masturbating i m a very very bad uneducated teenager and i m purely evil because i see woman only as sexual objects. Did you ever watch porn? So here you go you are just seeing women as sexual objects. I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that. For all you know, I could be misogynistic myself. But this isn't about me or you. This is about calling misogynistic comments misogynistic. Apples are apples my friend, don't tell me they are Oranges, and don't hate me for like apples if I do. Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:03 -KarmA wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 iky43210 wrote:On August 30 2012 13:31 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:29 nikoYO wrote:
e speach is not frees speach, its only free if your say the stuff people expect from you, not your true opinion. this has nothing to do with free speech or what ever. its the basic concept of not being an asshole. we dont need proof again that you are an asshole. one statement is enough.
So the other two guys are assholes because they are saying a girl is ugly as fuck. LOL.
Why are they assholes, should they have said "i think her facial structure is not too pleasing for me."
:D
It baffles me how some people can defend the things that was said in the chatlog & in this very thread. But I guess jerks do come in groups. the mentality of "oh ops I just got found out about saying incredibly demeanor thing behind someones back, I guess that's a queue for me to talk about it in the public" is completely illogical. you are representing some companies for crying out loud. What goes on in those roots players thinking it would be ok to come publicly reminiscent about how awesome it was to criticize and demeanor someone's looks. You're not a nameless person behind computers, but players that represent teams and other companies. No sponsors will tolerate these kind of attacks, especially after you showing no remorse but instead almost proudly reiterate the verbal abuses once more in public. grow up. Its this kind of shit here thats going to hold the whole idea of eSports back. Theres too much damn drama over EVERYTHING. So let me get this straight, Destiny says something or does something BEHIND closed doors, someone leaks it and all of a sudden everyones butthurt over it. You know what is completely illogical? The fact more people spend their time discussing "OMG so and so said/did this :" Than actually playing the game and enjoying the content (aside from the drama). You people hold all these players to retardedly high standards to the point where anyone who is ever in any kind of public spotlight had best watch what they say otherwise "were gonna complain to the sponsors cause theyre big meanyfaces" >.> So people shouldn't act decently toward other humans beings and we should expect companies to actively sponsor people who don't act decently toward other humans beings? I don't think you understand business.
You dont get my point : Every heterosexual man looks at women as sexual objects. Thats not misogynistic. Its only misogynistic if he only thinks about women as sexual objects.
Thats a big difference. And having a talk about a girls looks with your friends is not misogynistic. Its misogynistic if you say "women are only good for sex and nothing else".
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On August 30 2012 14:10 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 14:05 FortMonty wrote:On August 30 2012 13:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On August 30 2012 13:47 Sokrates wrote:On August 30 2012 13:39 BronzeKnee wrote:
Sigh. Misogyny includes sexual discrimination, denigration of women, violence against women, and sexual objectification of women.
Destiny was asking if he should have sex with a woman with an ugly face and good body. That is the sexual objectification of women.
Do I really need to spell it all out for you like that? Do I need to explain exactly how that comment makes her (and women in general) out to be sexual objects?
Sigh. I cant belive the bullshit people write. If i say "wow she has great boobs but ugly" that makes me woman hater. Yeah. You guys just haven't read the chat log. The conversation was implying then women are only good for sex, objectifying them sexually. Read the chat log. I honestly don't think you guys are educated and mature enough to understand this. Sure you can say a woman has great boobs and is ugly, heck you can say she has great boobs and is pretty, and what are you doing? You are commenting on her worth as a sexual object. Women are not sexual objects. The sexual objectification is a lie that has been sold to society, and it is a recent development. Cavemen didn't wander around and discuss whether a woman was hot or not. And it is wrong. But I am speaking with uneducated teenagers who have bought the lie, so it won't be understood. Society markets women's as object. Don't hate the Pantene girl because she is beautiful, but we do hate her, because he we are objectifying her. Thankfully, the sponsors understand. You're way too politically correct, sure people understand what you're saying, but the fact is that some people don't agree. It doesn't makeus uneducated, it means that we are educated enough to understand that what they did was "mean" but not illegal. Though I guess you're too stuck up and self righteous to accept that as an answer, am I right? (See, I can make baseless assumptions and characterizations about the people who disagree with me as well) Again (second time I've said this) I never said anything about right, wrong, good or evil. All that I said was those comments are misogynistic. And we know that sponsors don't like that. If you aren't educated, you might not be able to see that they are misogynistic comment, or you might not understand it. There is nothing wrong with that. And the fact is people would agree with me they are misogynistic if they understand what it means because those comments are misogynistic. This isn't open to interpretation, it is simply looking at the definition and understanding the English language. However they might disagree with me and believe we should sponsor people that are misogynistic. If that is the case the person is misogynistic themselves, even if they think they are not. Again, going back to the definition. I've won many debates in my days, the the key to stick to the definitions and outmaneuver people with semantics. You can't lose.
Education has little to do with understanding these kind of concepts, latent intelligence coupled with a healthy curiosity accomplishes that. Being 'educated' just means jumping through hoops and is largely overrated.
It's not about sponsoring misogynists or not, to me anyway. It's about the relevance of said misogyny contextually. I feel it was a private conversation, and thus shouldn't have been exposed. That it was exposed was regrettable, but equally it should be treated as if it was a private conversation, to me anyway.
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