On August 30 2012 06:29 BroOd wrote: This dude is hilarious. Takes pics of his junk to send to other girls in his current GF's living room. Needs to ask advice about whether he should bang a 15 year old fan. And then he has the stones to go on reddit and chastise the community and talk about how he's really a good person.
Please get your facts straight and DO NOT REPLY IF YOU DONT KNOW THE WHOLE STORY.
He was not talking about banging a 15yr old he was talking about if TT1 and Fahyt would bang a chick with a ugly head but with a nice body (aka bluetea who is in college)
Not really, there's having feminist/equality-based worldview, and there's being a whiny little bitch and going around complaining all the time. The latter ones give the former a bad name
I really hate the community sometimes you went to ROOT gaming's sponsors over this when they just reformed. Sometimes I just can't believe people would do this bull I think more people just hate Destiny more than anything and incidents like this might just crush the scene in the future.
Why is that? Destiny makes good money, and quite frankly the controversy is probably good for his hardcore fan base to rally around him. Its not like he is winning -- or has ever won -- anything major in SC2. And this is the age of the North American Zerg ascendancy, with Suppy and Scarllet coming relatively out of nowhere to quite successful tournament runs. If Destiny was going to have a big run of skill based results, it should be right around now. But unfortunately there is just something missing from his play that doesnt let him go that final inch.
By the way people who have played with him on his team describe him, he seems like a pretty nice and genial guy and a great sparring partner but no team he has ever been on would say he is their front line player, not even root. If Destiny had the same skill set he has but was just some quiet, shy kid who played SC2 and occasionally enter tournaments where he finished far away from the group stage would he have near the fame or the fortune or offers to join relatively established teams? Probably not.
It's not about Destiny. Sure, it sucks for Destiny, but shit like this seems to happen to him more often than not. Destiny had his best MLG run so far in the WR5 then had to forfeit as the news leaked.
What Cajunman is referring to is the fact that people instantly run to sponsors and get someone banned/kicked off teams and such as soon as something bad happens. The fact of the matter sponsors are getting much more bad news than good news, and that can crash any more growth in starcraft 2. It is already struggling for sponsors in Korea, we don't want it to happen in the west.
Ya, that is a rough situation but really the onus is on teams to police their players better. If people are serious about being professional gamers in a fledgling industry then they have to be better than perfect. Obviously that is an exacting standard but quite frankly it has to be one if people are really serious about turning this into something more than a hobby. And this was a relatively big deal -- if you are the sponsor and your team's biggest achievement at MLG is some guys private parts being shown on the internet? Unless you are viagra, you'd be pretty mad.
The problem is that people go to the sponsors FIRST. There's no emailing the management to see what they do about it.
It's like you got treated bad by someone at a store, but instead of asking to see the store manager, you go straight to the nationwide management and try to get everybody working at every store under that name to get a paycut.
Emailing ROOT's sponsors because of Destiny hurts every single person on ROOT, players and management, because people won't want to sponsor ROOT anymore. You're attacking the entire team instead of the one guy. Hell, Destiny's money comes from streaming. You probably hurt everyone on ROOT EXCEPT Destiny. Good job.
Go to the fucking team management before you go to the sponsors. Follow the chain of command. If management don't do anything, THEN go to the sponsors, because then you DO have a problem with more than one guy on the team.
And why in the fuck is the girl that locked a guy out of his own email and went through all his personal files being ignored? How the hell is massive invasion of personal privacy ok?
On August 30 2012 06:27 NicolBolas wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote: Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE.
I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it.
E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.
If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved.
Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT?
Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team.
See above. YOU ARE IGNORING THE CORRECT CHAIN OF COMMAND. Go the the Management, who have the power to discriminate and punish appropriately.
Going to the sponsors does 2 things. It makes the sponsors put pressure on the management, and it makes the sponsors want to gtfo of the SC2 scene. You can do one of those yourself, and doing the second is just fucking stupid.
IF you do that, and IF the management take no action, THEN you go messaging sponsors. You don't fucking assume that the management will take no action, and message the sponsors. Because the message you send those sponsors is that the management ALREADY TOOK NO ACTION OVER IT. You are skipping a step that everybody involved will assume happened, and you give the wrong impression to sponsors.
Don't fucking assume that the management are incompetent and are going to back the players for anything. Pressure management first, THEN message sponsors if nothing is done. Don't damage an entire team because of one guy on it.
Fuck. That. You really think people should follow a chain a command on this guy, the millionth time he has done something like this?
Frankly if he gets picked up by another team I think his sponsors should be immediately email and linked to all the bullshit the second he gets signed. This is a situation of the culture around professional gaming needing to change.
It's the first time he did it at ROOT, so YES. Hitting ROOT's sponsors with a ton of negative feedback doesn't even hurt someone like Destiny, he gets his money from streaming. You hurt the management and the rest of the team. He's not done anything like this since joining ROOT, so give them a fucking chance to do it themselves.
If he joins another team, do the same. Email the TEAM, and explain how you feel about it, and if they don't take any action, THEN email the sponsors.
You're hurting the scene and the rest of a team to get him kicked off that team. Give the management a chance to deal with it before you jump on the sponsors.
Your reaction was about as inappropriate as hers. Way too fucking far, hitting way too much.
Hello all, I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself. The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish. In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too.
Oh man, I'd laugh if because of that response people started emailing cloud nine's clients, since they list them all on their website. Now, that would be funny, lol.
Not really, there's having feminist/equality-based worldview, and there's being a whiny little bitch and going around complaining all the time. The latter ones give the former a bad name
was a joke dude, see my previous comments for my actual opinions...
There's not much we can do if Twitch was the one that applied pressure (in terms of punishing them), but if it was Rush Order Tees, I'm disappointed that I won't be able to support ROOT through them after this. This type of behaviour cannot be reinforced and sponsors need to learn that. Their being able to dictate how teams manage themselves is atrocious.
Hello all, I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself. The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish. In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too.
Oh man, I'd laugh if because of that response people started emailing cloud nine's clients, since they list them all on their website. Now, that would be funny, lol.
Only good thing in this story is that it doesn't actually affect good SCII players.
Mate are you joking? TT1 is fucking sick recently, so if this affects him its way bad news, but it shouldn't as long as no-one else goes crying to sponsors who are less mature and stable the CloudNine.
On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote: LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters:
Hello all, I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself. The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish. In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
I really hate the community sometimes you went to ROOT gaming's sponsors over this when they just reformed. Sometimes I just can't believe people would do this bull I think more people just hate Destiny more than anything and incidents like this might just crush the scene in the future.
Why is that? Destiny makes good money, and quite frankly the controversy is probably good for his hardcore fan base to rally around him. Its not like he is winning -- or has ever won -- anything major in SC2. And this is the age of the North American Zerg ascendancy, with Suppy and Scarllet coming relatively out of nowhere to quite successful tournament runs. If Destiny was going to have a big run of skill based results, it should be right around now. But unfortunately there is just something missing from his play that doesnt let him go that final inch.
By the way people who have played with him on his team describe him, he seems like a pretty nice and genial guy and a great sparring partner but no team he has ever been on would say he is their front line player, not even root. If Destiny had the same skill set he has but was just some quiet, shy kid who played SC2 and occasionally enter tournaments where he finished far away from the group stage would he have near the fame or the fortune or offers to join relatively established teams? Probably not.
It's not about Destiny. Sure, it sucks for Destiny, but shit like this seems to happen to him more often than not. Destiny had his best MLG run so far in the WR5 then had to forfeit as the news leaked.
What Cajunman is referring to is the fact that people instantly run to sponsors and get someone banned/kicked off teams and such as soon as something bad happens. The fact of the matter sponsors are getting much more bad news than good news, and that can crash any more growth in starcraft 2. It is already struggling for sponsors in Korea, we don't want it to happen in the west.
Ya, that is a rough situation but really the onus is on teams to police their players better. If people are serious about being professional gamers in a fledgling industry then they have to be better than perfect. Obviously that is an exacting standard but quite frankly it has to be one if people are really serious about turning this into something more than a hobby. And this was a relatively big deal -- if you are the sponsor and your team's biggest achievement at MLG is some guys private parts being shown on the internet? Unless you are viagra, you'd be pretty mad.
The problem is that people go to the sponsors FIRST. There's no emailing the management to see what they do about it.
It's like you got treated bad by someone at a store, but instead of asking to see the store manager, you go straight to the nationwide management and try to get everybody working at every store under that name to get a paycut.
Emailing ROOT's sponsors because of Destiny hurts every single person on ROOT, players and management, because people won't want to sponsor ROOT anymore. You're attacking the entire team instead of the one guy. Hell, Destiny's money comes from streaming. You probably hurt everyone on ROOT EXCEPT Destiny. Good job.
Go to the fucking team management before you go to the sponsors. Follow the chain of command. If management don't do anything, THEN go to the sponsors, because then you DO have a problem with more than one guy on the team.
And why in the fuck is the girl that locked a guy out of his own email and went through all his personal files being ignored? How the hell is massive invasion of personal privacy ok?
On August 30 2012 06:27 NicolBolas wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote: Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE.
I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it.
E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.
If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved.
Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT?
Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team.
See above. YOU ARE IGNORING THE CORRECT CHAIN OF COMMAND. Go the the Management, who have the power to discriminate and punish appropriately.
Going to the sponsors does 2 things. It makes the sponsors put pressure on the management, and it makes the sponsors want to gtfo of the SC2 scene. You can do one of those yourself, and doing the second is just fucking stupid.
IF you do that, and IF the management take no action, THEN you go messaging sponsors. You don't fucking assume that the management will take no action, and message the sponsors. Because the message you send those sponsors is that the management ALREADY TOOK NO ACTION OVER IT. You are skipping a step that everybody involved will assume happened, and you give the wrong impression to sponsors.
Don't fucking assume that the management are incompetent and are going to back the players for anything. Pressure management first, THEN message sponsors if nothing is done. Don't damage an entire team because of one guy on it.
Fuck. That. You really think people should follow a chain a command on this guy, the millionth time he has done something like this?
Frankly if he gets picked up by another team I think his sponsors should be immediately email and linked to all the bullshit the second he gets signed. This is a situation of the culture around professional gaming needing to change.
It's the first time he did it at ROOT, so YES. Hitting ROOT's sponsors with a ton of negative feedback doesn't even hurt someone like Destiny, he gets his money from streaming. You hurt the management and the rest of the team. He's not done anything like this since joining ROOT, so give them a fucking chance to do it themselves.
If he joins another team, do the same. Email the TEAM, and explain how you feel about it, and if they don't take any action, THEN email the sponsors.
You're hurting the scene and the rest of a team to get him kicked off that team. Give the management a chance to deal with it before you jump on the sponsors.
Your reaction was about as inappropriate as hers. Way too fucking far, hitting way too much.
You're crazy dude. If the team is picking him up they obviously know about him and simply don't care. Root didn't give a shit about anything that guy did until they had sponsor pressure. In fact they said in their statement it was specifically the sponsor pressure that forced their hand.
In a business based on views a couple emails/posts are pretty easily ignored. And the proof is right in front of you.
On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote: Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE.
I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it.
E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.
If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved.
Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT?
Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team.
The problem is that the people who email the sponsors are usually one of the following:
1) don't know the whole story and all the details 2) doing it because they hate the player. 3) mob mentality 4) blowing things way out of proportions
I'm not saying what Destiny did was appropriate, but this shitfest wouldn't have started had that girl not hacked his account and posted dick pics. Incidents like this should be dealt internally. Fan intervention only adds fuel to the fire and make the situation worse than it really is. It can also potentially ruin a player's career or have the team risk losing sponsorship. How would you feel if you lost your job because people kept talking shit about you to your boss?
5) have nothing much to do with their lives, hate themselves and like to try and effect others in some misguided revenge for the fact they were born into this World as themselves.
Sadly most angry people on the internet fall into the category i listed. Add to that the fact a fair percentage of them are ostracized from their society and the internet is a second coming where people will actually listen to them.
Its all just adding to pathetic drama and has helped me completely drift away from foreign pro scene in sc2, not the only reason but yeah, I wonder how many others are the same.
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