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On August 30 2012 06:30 hitpoint wrote:
The girl is the one who leaked it.
On August 30 2012 06:31 Serpico wrote:
It sure was when it happened. It was a private conversation. Guess who decided to blow it all up instead of just telling him off personally?
People have private conversations all the time. The difference is that we actually have the discipline to ensure that the conversation is actually private. You don't give out passwords like candy, hold content-sensitive conversations using accounts under said passwords then then go 'omg it's the girl's fault that she found out and leaked it"
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You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really?
I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me.
Take your feminism elsewhere, this isn't even an argument demeaning women, or are you going to tell me that chicks have never bitched about how ugly lads are with their friends? CloudNine are a smart brand who can see that people having controversial personalities in a position of publicity brings a lot of interest, and interest means money. If Destiny were a girl talking about how mashed a lad's face was, CloudNine's response would be the same.
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On August 30 2012 06:36 itiswhatitis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. I support equality for women, but every person associated with "the feminist movement" has been annoying as hell, and I have just wanted them to go away. Not unlike how I feel about you. /shrug
White knights mang.
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That is what happens if you trust strangers. The woman had a good go at him, perhaps he learns from this affair but I have my doubts in that regard.
Giving all your passwords to some random people from the internet, especially reddit, the place of whiny trolls, hard to believe that such an idea would even cross the mind of an adult person.
ROOT did what they had to do.
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On August 30 2012 06:41 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:32 ronpaul012 wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 ROOTT1 wrote:On August 30 2012 06:25 Canucklehead wrote:On August 30 2012 06:08 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 06:07 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 30 2012 06:03 ROOTFayth wrote:On August 30 2012 06:01 Callistodusk wrote:
Seems like TT1/Fayth don't agree much with this decision we know it's for the best of the team, that's all I think the better question is which one of you two geniuses leaked the comments? That was for the "best of the team" ? On August 30 2012 06:06 Hypemeup wrote:On August 30 2012 06:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Whoever emails sponsors should be kicked out of this community. Seriously, do something good for once. In their eyes they are doing something good, they are attempting to remove bad parts of the scene. Orly? They're actually bringing down the scene, messaging managers is the most respectful/honest way to get the situation handled that is discrete and doesn't crush eSports infant stage. But maybe stopping the cash flow into eSports is worth "doing something good" we didn't leak shit jesus christ I'm calling your bluff. I know bluetea had destiny's email pw that is associated with his twitter, but are you trying to tell me destiny used that same pw for his skype? she was talking to us while being on destinys skype when we were at MLG show us some evidence for that claim. [1:16:46 AM] Payam Toghyan: hi [1:16:48 AM] Payam Toghyan: steven u here [1:17:08 AM] Steven Bonnell II: hi, did you like the pictures of me he sent to you? [1:17:37 AM] Payam Toghyan: ? [1:17:43 AM] Steven Bonnell II: i'm the shrek girl [1:17:46 AM] Steven Bonnell II: with the hideous face _____ [1:32:53 AM] Steven Bonnell II: i'll give his passwords back tomorrow [1:34:40 AM] Payam Toghyan: just curious, howd u get access in the 1st place [1:35:05 AM] Steven Bonnell II: i knew his password back from when i used to answer his emails
thank you for backing it up. Both sides look pretty shitty here.
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On August 30 2012 06:38 Iberville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. The problem is a lot of these people making these comments don't know what misogyny is and haven't evolved past 19th century bourgeois mindset. It's extremely unfortunate that we get the privilege to read so much gender-hating on TL/SC2 communities (re: Scarlett hating).
Difference between "gender hating" and beliving that saying a comment related to one gender is equal to another so I don't see the issue. If he said "take the stick out of your ass" I would have the same reaction, he means stop bitching.
equality =/= favoritism
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On August 30 2012 04:51 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:47 BretZ wrote:On August 30 2012 04:43 Sub40APM wrote:On August 30 2012 04:38 CajunMan wrote:
I really hate the community sometimes you went to ROOT gaming's sponsors over this when they just reformed. Sometimes I just can't believe people would do this bull I think more people just hate Destiny more than anything and incidents like this might just crush the scene in the future. Why is that? Destiny makes good money, and quite frankly the controversy is probably good for his hardcore fan base to rally around him. Its not like he is winning -- or has ever won -- anything major in SC2. And this is the age of the North American Zerg ascendancy, with Suppy and Scarllet coming relatively out of nowhere to quite successful tournament runs. If Destiny was going to have a big run of skill based results, it should be right around now. But unfortunately there is just something missing from his play that doesnt let him go that final inch. By the way people who have played with him on his team describe him, he seems like a pretty nice and genial guy and a great sparring partner but no team he has ever been on would say he is their front line player, not even root. If Destiny had the same skill set he has but was just some quiet, shy kid who played SC2 and occasionally enter tournaments where he finished far away from the group stage would he have near the fame or the fortune or offers to join relatively established teams? Probably not. It's not about Destiny. Sure, it sucks for Destiny, but shit like this seems to happen to him more often than not. Destiny had his best MLG run so far in the WR5 then had to forfeit as the news leaked. What Cajunman is referring to is the fact that people instantly run to sponsors and get someone banned/kicked off teams and such as soon as something bad happens. The fact of the matter sponsors are getting much more bad news than good news, and that can crash any more growth in starcraft 2. It is already struggling for sponsors in Korea, we don't want it to happen in the west. Ya, that is a rough situation but really the onus is on teams to police their players better. If people are serious about being professional gamers in a fledgling industry then they have to be better than perfect. Obviously that is an exacting standard but quite frankly it has to be one if people are really serious about turning this into something more than a hobby. And this was a relatively big deal -- if you are the sponsor and your team's biggest achievement at MLG is some guys private parts being shown on the internet? Unless you are viagra, you'd be pretty mad.
The problem is that people go to the sponsors FIRST. There's no emailing the management to see what they do about it.
It's like you got treated bad by someone at a store, but instead of asking to see the store manager, you go straight to the nationwide management and try to get everybody working at every store under that name to get a paycut.
Emailing ROOT's sponsors because of Destiny hurts every single person on ROOT, players and management, because people won't want to sponsor ROOT anymore. You're attacking the entire team instead of the one guy. Hell, Destiny's money comes from streaming. You probably hurt everyone on ROOT EXCEPT Destiny. Good job.
Go to the fucking team management before you go to the sponsors. Follow the chain of command. If management don't do anything, THEN go to the sponsors, because then you DO have a problem with more than one guy on the team.
And why in the fuck is the girl that locked a guy out of his own email and went through all his personal files being ignored? How the hell is massive invasion of personal privacy ok?
On August 30 2012 06:27 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote:
Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE. I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it. E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved. Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT? Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team.
See above. YOU ARE IGNORING THE CORRECT CHAIN OF COMMAND. Go the the Management, who have the power to discriminate and punish appropriately.
Going to the sponsors does 2 things. It makes the sponsors put pressure on the management, and it makes the sponsors want to gtfo of the SC2 scene. You can do one of those yourself, and doing the second is just fucking stupid.
IF you do that, and IF the management take no action, THEN you go messaging sponsors. You don't fucking assume that the management will take no action, and message the sponsors. Because the message you send those sponsors is that the management ALREADY TOOK NO ACTION OVER IT. You are skipping a step that everybody involved will assume happened, and you give the wrong impression to sponsors.
Don't fucking assume that the management are incompetent and are going to back the players for anything. Pressure management first, THEN message sponsors if nothing is done. Don't damage an entire team because of one guy on it.
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On August 30 2012 06:31 KimJongChill wrote:
So basically girl gets pissed off for being called ugly, invades stevens personal privacy, and harms his career/livelihood. She got her feelings hurt, steven gets his life hurt. Don't get me wrong, ROOT was right to "let go" steven, but I can't believe people are trying to whiteknight for this girl who grossly overreacted with what was probably a good idea of the potential consequences. Also can't believe there are people in here who think the convo was "disgusting" or something, do you guys even live in real life?
when a chick gives u her naked pic, its under the assumption that u dont share it was ANYONE. i understand that it is pretty common/understandable for guys to end up sharing it with 1 or 2 of their friends which is okay ... if ur not caught. just like cheating, u know its a bad thing to do but its so common and not a huge deal if ur not caught. but get caught and ur fucked and so destiny got fucked. cant believe some ppl are saying the girl overreacted. goes to show that some sc2 players just have 0 social skills which is fine but dont go showing it off to everyone that u dont.
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On August 30 2012 06:41 Iberville wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. YES In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.' Did I say YES? On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. Would you have preferred "remove the stick from your ass" ? Same meaning, relax Perhaps something that wasn't as woman-hating?
Oh god seriously? I have to get off this thread... people act like everyone is misogynist and hates women because they say something about tampons, what the hell? This kind of overly sensitive crap is exactly why people hate feminists even if they support women's equality.
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On August 30 2012 06:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. YES In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.' Did I say YES? Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. Would you have preferred "remove the stick from your ass" ? Same meaning, relax
No. It is not the same meaning. One is androgynous, the other demeans a gender. People like you and algorithmor disgust me. Luckily, the e-sports scene is better than people like you.
On August 30 2012 06:43 itiswhatitis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:41 Iberville wrote:On August 30 2012 06:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. YES In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.' Did I say YES? On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. Would you have preferred "remove the stick from your ass" ? Same meaning, relax Perhaps something that wasn't as woman-hating? Oh god seriously? I have to get off this thread... people act like everyone is misogynist and hates women because they say something about tampons, what the hell? This kind of overly sensitive crap is exactly why people hate feminists even if they support women's equality.
That is woman-hating. The statement implies that women are more sensitive to insult and that being a woman (or at least having a period) is a sign of weakness. I'd say the current brouhaha is pretty decisive evidence against such implications. Mr. Bonnell, once again, can dish it out, but can't take it.
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1) Destiny's an asshole
2) Bluetea overrracted from a justice point of view, but not from a deterrent point of view, so I sympathize with her.
3) This has nothing to do with SC2, or even with using one's SC2 fame, therefore
4) Those of you who emailed ROOT's sponsors are pathetic
5) ROOT's sponsors are pathetic
6) ROOT is... well, it depends on the amount of pressure they were subjected to by their sponsors, I guess.
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On August 30 2012 06:41 Megiddosc wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:On August 30 2012 06:37 Megiddosc wrote:
I hope TT1 is also kicked from ROOT for goading Steven on to giving the pics when initially Steven was resilient not to see them. If he remains on the team despite being the very catalyst for the problems that occurred then there is no way I can support ROOT as an organization. Destiny is on the team purely because of his "personality". If his personality isn't liked, he gets kicked. TT1 actually has skill. And had Destiny been kicked from the team due to his lack of results, then that would be fine. But no, he was kicked in part because Payam kept begging for pics until he got them and the fallout from what occurred thereafter.
I don't think you understand.
Destiny is only worth anything as a "personality". TT1 is worth something in terms of actual, y'know, StarCraft. As such, TT1's personality taking a beating doesn't kill his worth, but it does kill Destiny's.
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He didn't deserve what she did, which is not to say he didn't have something coming. Payback was just way too intense.
Also, you people care too much about what he says, you give importance to his opinions. I got discriminated against for a while because I was a minority in my neighboorhood; didn't bother me much as long as they just kept talking and didn't get physical.
Destiny didn't leak the pics to the Internet, he shared them with friends. It's not something I'd encourage, but she deserves punishment for her actions, which she confesses willingly, showing no remorse.
However, it was a good decision for the team. Gj to the ones responsible for the call.
See ya, Destiny.
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On August 30 2012 06:36 itiswhatitis wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. I support equality for women, but every person associated with "the feminist movement" has been annoying as hell, and I have just wanted them to go away. Not unlike how I feel about you. /shrug
This is ridiculous. Feminism has been a positive force in the world, and just because you have met some women who have annoyed you doesn't mean that you should write off a whole movement.
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If you read that conversation he had, it sounds like middle-schoolers. He's clearly a high-IQ type of guy, but it's like he's never grown up and became a man... and proud of it b/c he confuses his immaturity with honesty/being true to oneself/some other positive character trait. (others feed off that logic too)
I never cared for the guy and frankly am not surprised at this. Any professional organization should stay away from him in the future as he is the equivalent of an 11 year old's mind equipped w/ more lifetime experience, and will only continue to bring trouble with him in the future the way he always has in the past.
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On August 30 2012 06:31 itiswhatitis wrote:
I just don't get why people take pictures of their dick to send to people... what kind of chick is clamoring for pictures of dicks? It's just weird.
All of my chick friends love dick pics. And the more comfortable girls get with being sexual, the more open they are about wanting them. ('more comfortable' often relates to age).
It could also just be the type of person! The characters from Sex and the City represent a large amount of women in our society who are successful, comfortable and sexual - most of my friends resemble these characteristics (male/female/straight/gay). I'm not saying everyone is like that (or should be like that), but it's certainly not so preposterous an idea that a you have to wonder what kind of chick clamors for dick pics. Many kinds of normal chick wants them. Just like many kinds of normal guys want nude pics.
It's crazy, I know.
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On August 30 2012 06:43 silverdevilboy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 04:51 Sub40APM wrote:On August 30 2012 04:47 BretZ wrote:On August 30 2012 04:43 Sub40APM wrote:On August 30 2012 04:38 CajunMan wrote:
I really hate the community sometimes you went to ROOT gaming's sponsors over this when they just reformed. Sometimes I just can't believe people would do this bull I think more people just hate Destiny more than anything and incidents like this might just crush the scene in the future. Why is that? Destiny makes good money, and quite frankly the controversy is probably good for his hardcore fan base to rally around him. Its not like he is winning -- or has ever won -- anything major in SC2. And this is the age of the North American Zerg ascendancy, with Suppy and Scarllet coming relatively out of nowhere to quite successful tournament runs. If Destiny was going to have a big run of skill based results, it should be right around now. But unfortunately there is just something missing from his play that doesnt let him go that final inch. By the way people who have played with him on his team describe him, he seems like a pretty nice and genial guy and a great sparring partner but no team he has ever been on would say he is their front line player, not even root. If Destiny had the same skill set he has but was just some quiet, shy kid who played SC2 and occasionally enter tournaments where he finished far away from the group stage would he have near the fame or the fortune or offers to join relatively established teams? Probably not. It's not about Destiny. Sure, it sucks for Destiny, but shit like this seems to happen to him more often than not. Destiny had his best MLG run so far in the WR5 then had to forfeit as the news leaked. What Cajunman is referring to is the fact that people instantly run to sponsors and get someone banned/kicked off teams and such as soon as something bad happens. The fact of the matter sponsors are getting much more bad news than good news, and that can crash any more growth in starcraft 2. It is already struggling for sponsors in Korea, we don't want it to happen in the west. Ya, that is a rough situation but really the onus is on teams to police their players better. If people are serious about being professional gamers in a fledgling industry then they have to be better than perfect. Obviously that is an exacting standard but quite frankly it has to be one if people are really serious about turning this into something more than a hobby. And this was a relatively big deal -- if you are the sponsor and your team's biggest achievement at MLG is some guys private parts being shown on the internet? Unless you are viagra, you'd be pretty mad. The problem is that people go to the sponsors FIRST. There's no emailing the management to see what they do about it. It's like you got treated bad by someone at a store, but instead of asking to see the store manager, you go straight to the nationwide management and try to get everybody working at every store under that name to get a paycut. Emailing ROOT's sponsors because of Destiny hurts every single person on ROOT, players and management, because people won't want to sponsor ROOT anymore. You're attacking the entire team instead of the one guy. Hell, Destiny's money comes from streaming. You probably hurt everyone on ROOT EXCEPT Destiny. Good job. Go to the fucking team management before you go to the sponsors. Follow the chain of command. If management don't do anything, THEN go to the sponsors, because then you DO have a problem with more than one guy on the team. And why in the fuck is the girl that locked a guy out of his own email and went through all his personal files being ignored? How the hell is massive invasion of personal privacy ok? Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:27 NicolBolas wrote:On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote:
Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE. I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it. E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved. Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT? Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team. See above. YOU ARE IGNORING THE CORRECT CHAIN OF COMMAND. Go the the Management, who have the power to discriminate and punish appropriately. Going to the sponsors does 2 things. It makes the sponsors put pressure on the management, and it makes the sponsors want to gtfo of the SC2 scene. You can do one of those yourself, and doing the second is just fucking stupid. IF you do that, and IF the management take no action, THEN you go messaging sponsors. You don't fucking assume that the management will take no action, and message the sponsors. Because the message you send those sponsors is that the management ALREADY TOOK NO ACTION OVER IT. You are skipping a step that everybody involved will assume happened, and you give the wrong impression to sponsors. Don't fucking assume that the management are incompetent and are going to back the players for anything. Pressure management first, THEN message sponsors if nothing is done. Don't damage an entire team because of one guy on it.
Fuck. That. You really think people should follow a chain a command on this guy, the millionth time he has done something like this?
Frankly if he gets picked up by another team I think his sponsors should be immediately email and linked to all the bullshit the second he gets signed. This is a situation of the culture around professional gaming needing to change.
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when a chick gives u her naked pic, its under the assumption that u dont share it was ANYONE. i understand that it is pretty common/understandable for guys to end up sharing it with 1 or 2 of their friends which is okay ... if ur not caught. just like cheating, u know its a bad thing to do but its so common and not a huge deal if ur not caught. but get caught and ur fucked and so destiny got fucked. cant believe some ppl are saying the girl overreacted. goes to show that some sc2 players just have 0 social skills which is fine but dont go showing it off to everyone that u dont.
What so showing naked pictures of him to 40k+ instantly, then the entirety of the internet is a fair trade for him reluctantly showing 2 of his friends? Thats not getting fucked like you do at high school pal, thats hugely damaging to his life.
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this guy is a clown, nothing more.
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