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On August 30 2012 06:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:41 Megiddosc wrote:On August 30 2012 06:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:On August 30 2012 06:37 Megiddosc wrote:
I hope TT1 is also kicked from ROOT for goading Steven on to giving the pics when initially Steven was resilient not to see them. If he remains on the team despite being the very catalyst for the problems that occurred then there is no way I can support ROOT as an organization. Destiny is on the team purely because of his "personality". If his personality isn't liked, he gets kicked. TT1 actually has skill. And had Destiny been kicked from the team due to his lack of results, then that would be fine. But no, he was kicked in part because Payam kept begging for pics until he got them and the fallout from what occurred thereafter. I don't think you understand. Destiny is only worth anything as a "personality". TT1 is worth something in terms of actual, y'know, StarCraft. As such, TT1's personality taking a beating doesn't kill his worth, but it does kill Destiny's.
manner pls destiny is far from being a personality, hes actually an extremely underrated player. and to that previous poster u do understand that this was a conversation between friends right? he sent the pics to fayth beforehand and asked us her opinion about her. again im not saying what we did was right, just trying to inform you of the context
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On August 30 2012 06:44 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:41 Megiddosc wrote:On August 30 2012 06:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:On August 30 2012 06:37 Megiddosc wrote:
I hope TT1 is also kicked from ROOT for goading Steven on to giving the pics when initially Steven was resilient not to see them. If he remains on the team despite being the very catalyst for the problems that occurred then there is no way I can support ROOT as an organization. Destiny is on the team purely because of his "personality". If his personality isn't liked, he gets kicked. TT1 actually has skill. And had Destiny been kicked from the team due to his lack of results, then that would be fine. But no, he was kicked in part because Payam kept begging for pics until he got them and the fallout from what occurred thereafter. I don't think you understand. Destiny is only worth anything as a "personality". TT1 is worth something in terms of actual, y'know, StarCraft. As such, TT1's personality taking a beating doesn't kill his worth, but it does kill Destiny's.
But this doesn't kill Destiny's worth at all. He'll still have 10 times more people watching him play DayZ than TT1 will have as he's laddering.
ROOT caved to their sponsors (I'm guessing RushOrderTees) and as such they lose a pretty decent amount of fandom. A shame too, I really wanted a ROOT shirt.
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On August 30 2012 06:27 NicolBolas wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:21 ilikeredheads wrote:
Have we gone back to the 1500s???? The witchhunt is fucking retarded. Emailing sponsors helps NO ONE. I've seen this several places now in this thread. And I still don't understand it. E-mailing sponsors absolutely does helps e-sports. How? Because it helps remove disruptive elements. It helps show that the e-sports community polices its own. It helps show that the e-sports community does not tolerate this crap.If you believe Destiny's behavior is inappropriate, then e-mailing his sponsors is the right move. Why? Because it helps ensure that the problem will be dealt with. Sponsors are neutral parties; they only want money, not drama. Sponsors are the ones who have more power and don't care about the individuals involved. Of managers and sponsors, managers are more likely to gloss over the problem person. They're less likely to take sharp, corrective action. Or, to put it another way, if they'd e-mailed the managers, do you think Destiny would be getting thrown out of ROOT? Probably not. And if you think his behavior was inappropriate and that he deserved his ousting, then contacting the sponsors was absolutely the right call. It brought the pressure necessary to ensure that the problem was dealt with. And it helps ensure that Destiny is less likely to be picked up by another team.
The problem is that the people who email the sponsors are usually one of the following:
1) don't know the whole story and all the details
2) doing it because they hate the player.
3) mob mentality
4) blowing things way out of proportions
I'm not saying what Destiny did was appropriate, but this shitfest wouldn't have started had that girl not hacked his account and posted dick pics. Incidents like this should be dealt internally. Fan intervention only adds fuel to the fire and make the situation worse than it really is. It can also potentially ruin a player's career or have the team risk losing sponsorship. How would you feel if you lost your job because people kept talking shit about you to your boss?
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If you read that conversation he had, it sounds like middle-schoolers. He's clearly a high-IQ type of guy, but it's like he's never grown up and became a man... and proud of it b/c he confuses his immaturity with honesty/being true to oneself/some other positive character trait. (others feed off that logic too)
I never cared for the guy and frankly am not surprised at this. Any professional organization should stay away from him in the future as he is the equivalent of an 11 year old's mind equipped w/ more lifetime experience, and will only continue to bring trouble with him in the future the way he always has in the past.
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I never followed destiny or watched his stream once but I knew he had a large fanbase and was often surrounded by controversial drama. So Funny how a person which I got a sophisticated impression from during his casts @ homestory cup ( and his carddealing skills lol) can be so dumb and take pictures of his dick haha and shares nude pics of some 15 year old who's able to get access to his SNS stuff hahaahahahaahah
btw: No Idea who that sponsor of destiny is but releasing a statement where they say that we should change our tampons, really? Must be a joke organisation too.
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Good.
For quite a while I actually liked Destiny, he was funny etc. However, lately... Well i'm not going to voice my honest opinion about him because of forum guidelines but there are things you can and there are things you cannot do. Not like I've watched his stream at all in the past few months anyway but definitely happy for Root, good job getting rid of the scum.
By the way I'm very sad for the girl, things like these always make me really sad. Good job for trying to do something about it, don't let them stomp all over you like this.
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On August 30 2012 06:29 BroOd wrote:
This dude is hilarious. Takes pics of his junk to send to other girls in his current GF's living room. Needs to ask advice about whether he should bang a 15 year old fan. And then he has the stones to go on reddit and chastise the community and talk about how he's really a good person.
This is the best thing I've read all day. Pretty much sums the silliness of Destiny.
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Very crappy situation and I feel bad for Steven and for ROOT, but it's an understandable outcome. Good luck to ROOT, Steven and everyone involved in the future.
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On August 30 2012 06:48 FlattLine wrote:
If you read that conversation he had, it sounds like middle-schoolers.
Well we can't have that.
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On August 30 2012 06:50 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:48 FlattLine wrote:
If you read that conversation he had, it sounds like middle-schoolers. Well we can't have that.
Fucking middle schoolers
Killing e-Sports.
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Well this is really unfortunate
A whole lot of drama
Best of luck to destiny though, one of my favorite players still
Also glad to see CatZ being very professional and firm about this
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On August 30 2012 06:49 AsnSensation wrote:
I never followed destiny or watched his stream once but I knew he had a large fanbase and was often surrounded by controversial drama. So Funny how a person which I got a sophisticated impression from during his casts @ homestory cup ( and his carddealing skills lol) can be so dumb and take pictures of his dick haha and shares nude pics of some 15 year old who's able to get access to his SNS stuff hahaahahahaahah
this is whats wrong with the internet, i was worried that idiots like you wouldnt have enough iq to read our newspost properly and would arrive to this type of conclusion. plz read the post properly before spreading misinformation
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Can't we all just watch the new OS2L? None of this has anything to do with Starcraft, why would this ever become a big enough deal that someone has to be let go?
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On August 30 2012 06:43 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:38 Iberville wrote:On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters: + Show Spoiler +Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.
ROOT needs to make this statement too. You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really? I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me. The problem is a lot of these people making these comments don't know what misogyny is and haven't evolved past 19th century bourgeois mindset. It's extremely unfortunate that we get the privilege to read so much gender-hating on TL/SC2 communities (re: Scarlett hating). Difference between "gender hating" and beliving that saying a comment related to one gender is equal to another so I don't see the issue. If he said "take the stick out of your ass" I would have the same reaction, he means stop bitching. equality =/= favoritism
Might I suggest "quit complaining", because change your tampon in a release is fairly offensive and gender-specific.
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I feel bad for destiny, AND at the same time... Motherfucker, god gave you a mouth for a reason, IT SPEAKS WORDS BITCH USE IT! Talk with friends about private shit, call them whatever.. then 37k ppl can't read what you are saying. The guy just can't learn that manners are half the game.
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On August 30 2012 06:50 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 06:48 FlattLine wrote:
If you read that conversation he had, it sounds like middle-schoolers. Well we can't have that.
No one believes yet that professional gamers need to be held to a higher standard than LadderZerg3 as they represent corporate interests?
Next time this happens I guess you'll still be surprised.
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On August 30 2012 05:10 ROOTT1 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 30 2012 05:08 Medrea wrote:On August 30 2012 05:06 ROOTT1 wrote:
weve been trying to get to the bottom of this, i want to know who leaked our convo to this girl. steven privately linked me and fayth pics of her and then posted a pic of her face in the root general chat. she told steven that the person who emailed her the convo lives in houston but steven figured out that she was lying about it. as far as we know she was spying on steven the whole time by logging into his skype
im sorry for the rude things that we said but tbh what saddens me the most out of all this is that i loss a good team mate and a good friend. and like i said im almost positive that she was spying on him the whole time so any sympathy i had towards her is pretty much non-existent atm Change your passwords folks. she knew destinys password because she used to handle his emails for him or something. and destiny never changed his pass since then
so essentially she was in the role of a delegate, handing his personal emails and so on.
I don't know what to think here. Surely this type of stuff would have come across her attention due to her elevated access?
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I am not going to try and argue with anyone else, just have to say one more thing. If you're "feminist" or whatever label you want to give it, and you want to be taken seriously and not just treated as annoying, you shouldn't nit-pick every single little thing so much. Pick your battles. You're hear whining about how some game company said "change your tampon", while women in other places in the world are being raped and have virtually no rights. Not saying oh it's just words, don't ever be upset about anything anyone says, but c'mon, "change your tampon" means woman-hate? Maybe you should.... change your tampon.
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HURR DURR BLUE TEA IS 15 DURRRR COMPANY IS MISOGYNIST PIG DESTINY ASSHOLE
wake up people blue tea over reacted and the company used a generic fuck off stop trying to make drama out of normal shit
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