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As emotionally invested as people are on this topic, TL rules still apply. That includes flaming and ad hominem attacks.
Tuczniak
Profile Joined September 2010
1561 Posts
August 29 2012 21:35 GMT
#521
I guess what they said on Inside the Game still isn't true .
The community isn't mature enough and care about dicks too much. Every drama like this seems to me as failure of community, teams and sponsors because of overreacting.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:37:11
August 29 2012 21:36 GMT
#522
Damn, what do I get for not paying attention for a couple of days? I miss these pictures.
Anyways, don't send nude pictures of you to somebody, if you fear them spreading it (goes to both parties).
edit: But really, I could care less for butterfaces and pictures of dicks.
itiswhatitis
Profile Joined February 2011
United States136 Posts
August 29 2012 21:36 GMT
#523
On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:
LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters:

+ Show Spoiler +
Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.

ROOT needs to make this statement too.


You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really?

I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me.


I support equality for women, but every person associated with "the feminist movement" has been annoying as hell, and I have just wanted them to go away. Not unlike how I feel about you. /shrug
"The bad artists imitate. The great artists steal." -itiswhatitis
Mora
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Canada5235 Posts
August 29 2012 21:36 GMT
#524
On August 30 2012 05:46 Houkka wrote:

Edit: Before you condemn people like Steven for mistakes they make or stupid shit they're part of, ask yourself if you've ever made a mistake or been part of stupid shit yourself. If you're like me, you'll eventually come to the conclusion that that's a part of what it is to be human. So get over it and get on with your life.


Do I regularly do 'stupid shit' knowing that it threatens the future of my career? Repeatedly? Even after I've had a million chances to amend my behaviour?

Nope. I'd have to say I don't.

All this right and wrong talk confuses me.

1) The purpose of sponsorship is to draw attention to a product
2) The player is the medium through which that attention is drawn
3) If the player jeopardizes the image of the sponsor, the product, or himself, he defeats the purpose of his sponsorship

When image is your career, every single action that can affect that image matters; it needs to be evaluated. Sure, that might be a lot of pressure, but hey, that's your career. Deal with it.

Ultimately, consumers control sponsors, sponsors control teams. If everyone is up-in-arms about Destiny being booted, start an online petition of how this is the wrong decision. If ROOT/sponsers get 100,000 signatures saying how Destiny should be in ROOT, they're going to listen.
Happiness only real when shared.
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
August 29 2012 21:37 GMT
#525
Somewhere Bluetea is smiling :p. It is sad they had to part ways, but if Root is really trying to grow financially this is the right choice. I don`t think it really hurts Steven either. He will always get his stream numbers. Although not being able to wear the same tag as friends kinda sucks.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
August 29 2012 21:37 GMT
#526
I hope TT1 is also kicked from ROOT for goading Steven on to giving the pics when initially Steven was resilient not to see them. If he remains on the team despite being the very catalyst for the problems that occurred then there is no way I can support ROOT as an organization.
Roman666
Profile Joined April 2012
Poland1440 Posts
August 29 2012 21:38 GMT
#527
On August 30 2012 06:32 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:25 Canucklehead wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:08 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:07 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:03 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:01 Callistodusk wrote:
Seems like TT1/Fayth don't agree much with this decision

we know it's for the best of the team, that's all


I think the better question is which one of you two geniuses leaked the comments? That was for the "best of the team" ?

On August 30 2012 06:06 Hypemeup wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Whoever emails sponsors should be kicked out of this community. Seriously, do something good for once.


In their eyes they are doing something good, they are attempting to remove bad parts of the scene.


Orly? They're actually bringing down the scene, messaging managers is the most respectful/honest way to get the situation handled that is discrete and doesn't crush eSports infant stage. But maybe stopping the cash flow into eSports is worth "doing something good"

we didn't leak shit jesus christ


I'm calling your bluff. I know bluetea had destiny's email pw that is associated with his twitter, but are you trying to tell me destiny used that same pw for his skype?


Also she said, she changed the skype password with the help of his e-mail account. So no sb must have leaked it.

This. She could reset his skype pwd by using e-mail account. But e-mail pwd was given to her by Destiny, so no leak here. It is unbelievable for me, that you can share private mailbox password with a person you know from the internet, hell my wife doesn't know my passwords.
JacobShock
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Denmark2485 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:39:16
August 29 2012 21:38 GMT
#528
The self rightous people in this community both scare and disgust me. Great job.

No matter if he's officially a part of ROOT or not, he will always be ROOT in my eyes.
"Right on" - Morrow
unteqair
Profile Joined November 2011
United States308 Posts
August 29 2012 21:38 GMT
#529
On August 30 2012 06:31 itiswhatitis wrote:
I just don't get why people take pictures of their dick to send to people... what kind of chick is clamoring for pictures of dicks? It's just weird.

Hey, man. It is what it is, as your name goes. I don't quite understand it, either. I imagine you and I just haven't truly gotten to know any of these kind of people yet. If we ever do, then we might have a better intuition on the subject.
FuzzyJAM
Profile Joined July 2010
Scotland9300 Posts
August 29 2012 21:38 GMT
#530
On August 30 2012 06:37 Megiddosc wrote:
I hope TT1 is also kicked from ROOT for goading Steven on to giving the pics when initially Steven was resilient not to see them. If he remains on the team despite being the very catalyst for the problems that occurred then there is no way I can support ROOT as an organization.

Destiny is on the team purely because of his "personality". If his personality isn't liked, he gets kicked.

TT1 actually has skill.
Did you ever say Yes to a single joy?
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 29 2012 21:38 GMT
#531
On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:
LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters:

+ Show Spoiler +
Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.

ROOT needs to make this statement too.


You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really?

I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me.


The problem is a lot of these people making these comments don't know what misogyny is and haven't evolved past 19th century bourgeois mindset.

It's extremely unfortunate that we get the privilege to read so much gender-hating on TL/SC2 communities (re: Scarlett hating).
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
zeizei
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland36 Posts
August 29 2012 21:39 GMT
#532
fucking destiny haters
Phaint
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada211 Posts
August 29 2012 21:39 GMT
#533
You know what I appreciate the most about this? He gave it to us straight. Showed us his entire hand and all of his reasoning. Props to not beating around the bush and treating us like idiots, ROOT.
CajunMan
Profile Joined July 2010
United States823 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-29 21:40:21
August 29 2012 21:40 GMT
#534
http://www.reddit.com/r/ShitRedditSays/comments/ytijd/effortpost_starcraft_2_player_steve_bonnell_aka/c5yukxk

So this shit right here....and Catz still is gonna let him go.... lame.
R3m3mb3rM3
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany954 Posts
August 29 2012 21:40 GMT
#535
well, only stephano left now. And when stephano quit, Ill say goodbye to this shitstorming community :S. Its fun to see though how people destroy their own community.
tGFuRy
Profile Joined September 2010
United States537 Posts
August 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#536
On August 30 2012 06:35 OpTiKDream wrote:
why would destiny take pictures of his junk


I'm wondering the same thing. Why would you have a picture of you're dick on you're computer in the first place? WTF..
Always a Gamer
Iberville
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#537
On August 30 2012 06:34 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:
LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters:

+ Show Spoiler +
Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.

ROOT needs to make this statement too.


YES
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.'

Did I say YES?


Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:32 zerglingrodeo wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:30 algorithm0r wrote:
LOL @ Cloudninegames response to the haters:

+ Show Spoiler +
Hello all,
I'd like to thank the dozen or so of you for submitting concerns regarding Destinys recent public behavior. It has not been on our radar until now so we appreciate the opportunity to understand how our company is perceived in association with Steven himself.
The principals at Cloud Nine Labs, including myself, remain in support of Stevens PR decisions. Furthermore, we encourage his brutal honesty, snide remarks, controversial comments / subjects, humor etc. as it brings a uniquely dynamic and highly entertaining element to the streaming experience. His strong personality is what makes him Destiny - one of the most successful SC2 streamers of all time. Other SC2 personalities should take a cue from Mr. Bonnell because the SC2 pro circuit is not just "gaming". It has become a powerful industry that can be monetized by establishing a strong, widely talked about brand which Steven has managed to accomplish.
In short: stop bitching, change your tampons and up your game.

ROOT needs to make this statement too.


You want ROOT to make the statement "Change your tampons". Really?

I cannot believe how deep the current of misogyny runs in esports. You, and this company, disgust me.

Would you have preferred "remove the stick from your ass" ? Same meaning, relax

Perhaps something that wasn't as woman-hating?
I promise not to make a tasteless joke.
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
August 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#538
On August 30 2012 06:38 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:37 Megiddosc wrote:
I hope TT1 is also kicked from ROOT for goading Steven on to giving the pics when initially Steven was resilient not to see them. If he remains on the team despite being the very catalyst for the problems that occurred then there is no way I can support ROOT as an organization.

Destiny is on the team purely because of his "personality". If his personality isn't liked, he gets kicked.

TT1 actually has skill.

And had Destiny been kicked from the team due to his lack of results, then that would be fine. But no, he was kicked in part because Payam kept begging for pics until he got them and the fallout from what occurred thereafter.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9990 Posts
August 29 2012 21:41 GMT
#539
On August 30 2012 06:32 ronpaul012 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2012 06:30 ROOTT1 wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:25 Canucklehead wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:08 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:07 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:03 ROOTFayth wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:01 Callistodusk wrote:
Seems like TT1/Fayth don't agree much with this decision

we know it's for the best of the team, that's all


I think the better question is which one of you two geniuses leaked the comments? That was for the "best of the team" ?

On August 30 2012 06:06 Hypemeup wrote:
On August 30 2012 06:05 DarkLordOlli wrote:
Whoever emails sponsors should be kicked out of this community. Seriously, do something good for once.


In their eyes they are doing something good, they are attempting to remove bad parts of the scene.


Orly? They're actually bringing down the scene, messaging managers is the most respectful/honest way to get the situation handled that is discrete and doesn't crush eSports infant stage. But maybe stopping the cash flow into eSports is worth "doing something good"

we didn't leak shit jesus christ


I'm calling your bluff. I know bluetea had destiny's email pw that is associated with his twitter, but are you trying to tell me destiny used that same pw for his skype?


she was talking to us while being on destinys skype when we were at MLG


show us some evidence for that claim.


[1:16:46 AM] Payam Toghyan: hi
[1:16:48 AM] Payam Toghyan: steven u here
[1:17:08 AM] Steven Bonnell II: hi, did you like the pictures of me he sent to you?
[1:17:37 AM] Payam Toghyan: ?
[1:17:43 AM] Steven Bonnell II: i'm the shrek girl
[1:17:46 AM] Steven Bonnell II: with the hideous face
_____
[1:32:53 AM] Steven Bonnell II: i'll give his passwords back tomorrow
[1:34:40 AM] Payam Toghyan: just curious, howd u get access in the 1st place
[1:35:05 AM] Steven Bonnell II: i knew his password back from when i used to answer his emails
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Jarree
Profile Joined January 2012
Finland1004 Posts
August 29 2012 21:42 GMT
#540
On August 30 2012 06:35 Andrew2658 wrote:
Also lol at this comment by Destiny:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Destiny/comments/ytouh/as_cool_as_this_is/c5yqiym
Also, lol @ 15 year old girl sending nudes to me. The most I've gotten at pictures in bikinis. I would never accept nudes from someone claiming to be underage for the sole reason that it could be a troll trying to set me up.

So the only reason he wouldn't accept nudes from a 15 year old is that he is afraid it could be a setup.

lol that's pretty funny actually
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