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On August 28 2012 03:03 Dymond wrote:
Ive always thought the difference was that the Koreans have better work ethics than us. They go to school more, don't they? They naturally try harder and learn more efficiently than we are used to.
and how does this have an influence on the fact that there are no good foreign terrans in your opinion?
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On August 27 2012 20:19 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On August 27 2012 19:36 iky43210 wrote:
I notice alot of terran failing at the higher tier, even korean, is that they have a retarded amount of units queued in their production facilities late game. They have an abundant amount of money banked up, or misstep on the production cycle, so they spam a and d on barracks and a ton of resources a wasted whereas zerg and protoss will never have this kind of problems.
Bomber is probably the biggest offender in this regard.
I think this is one reason why taeja has been successful recently. Instead of spam queue up units he make production facilities when his macro failed, such as his last 2-3 cc build mid game. instead of let the resources go wasted in a queue. You never want to have a queue, especially for late game where an extra cc or two will always be more beneficial than having 10-20 units stuck in your 10 rax I'm not sure if it is even a macro fail. I think it is rather planned that he stores the money for what he needs to do after a combat: --> if you are losing a fight/trading badly, go for more production facilities and try to end it --> if you are winning a fight/trading efficiently, build 2-3 CCs and make sure that your opponent can't catch up again
Terran can't store money like other races, so that's usually a bad thing to do.
you need to make a decision on having that production facilities or CC before those money stores up. we can't ever gain back a production cycle like how zerg or protoss can.
But those two options is still better than having units queued up
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On August 28 2012 03:06 uzushould wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:03 Dymond wrote:
Ive always thought the difference was that the Koreans have better work ethics than us. They go to school more, don't they? They naturally try harder and learn more efficiently than we are used to. and how does this have an influence on the fact that there are no good foreign terrans in your opinion?
I don't know specifically about Terrans, but I think that's the reason foreigners have such a hard time competing with Koreans.
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On August 28 2012 02:28 Gosi wrote:
I wanna just +1 on what SupLilSon wrote. Seriously, just watch something like Nal_rA Old Boy where they talk alot about Starcraft and strategy etc. It's just on a complete different level that you will be amazed. Everything is just so in-depth in ways you never thought about before. And when you live with like 10+ people and coaches and talk and play so in-depth you will be so much better than some guy sitting at home practicing some build order on ladder that he saw from some VOD.
May I ask what you mean with Nal_rA Old Boy, is it a korean stream/video?
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On August 28 2012 03:10 Dymond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:06 uzushould wrote:On August 28 2012 03:03 Dymond wrote:
Ive always thought the difference was that the Koreans have better work ethics than us. They go to school more, don't they? They naturally try harder and learn more efficiently than we are used to. and how does this have an influence on the fact that there are no good foreign terrans in your opinion? I don't know specifically about Terrans, but I think that's the reason foreigners have such a hard time competing with Koreans.
but isn t this thread the thread about why korean terrans are so much better then foreign?
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On August 28 2012 03:11 uzushould wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:10 Dymond wrote:On August 28 2012 03:06 uzushould wrote:On August 28 2012 03:03 Dymond wrote:
Ive always thought the difference was that the Koreans have better work ethics than us. They go to school more, don't they? They naturally try harder and learn more efficiently than we are used to. and how does this have an influence on the fact that there are no good foreign terrans in your opinion? I don't know specifically about Terrans, but I think that's the reason foreigners have such a hard time competing with Koreans. but isn t this thread the thread about why korean terrans are so much better then foreign?
Maybe Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races? More potential to do creative things?
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On August 28 2012 03:11 kimchikim wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 02:28 Gosi wrote:
I wanna just +1 on what SupLilSon wrote. Seriously, just watch something like Nal_rA Old Boy where they talk alot about Starcraft and strategy etc. It's just on a complete different level that you will be amazed. Everything is just so in-depth in ways you never thought about before. And when you live with like 10+ people and coaches and talk and play so in-depth you will be so much better than some guy sitting at home practicing some build order on ladder that he saw from some VOD. May I ask what you mean with Nal_rA Old Boy, is it a korean stream/video?
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=116942
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On August 28 2012 03:13 Dymond wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:11 uzushould wrote:On August 28 2012 03:10 Dymond wrote:On August 28 2012 03:06 uzushould wrote:On August 28 2012 03:03 Dymond wrote:
Ive always thought the difference was that the Koreans have better work ethics than us. They go to school more, don't they? They naturally try harder and learn more efficiently than we are used to. and how does this have an influence on the fact that there are no good foreign terrans in your opinion? I don't know specifically about Terrans, but I think that's the reason foreigners have such a hard time competing with Koreans. but isn t this thread the thread about why korean terrans are so much better then foreign? Maybe Terran has a higher skill ceiling than the other races? More potential to do creative things?
sounds reasonable
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On August 26 2012 23:54 ma70 wrote:
Koreans practice more. That's it. Of course, there are just some with natural talent.
This is wrong. They have better competition so the koreans as a whole get stronger together.
It's not only that they practice more.
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On August 28 2012 03:18 Kyhol wrote:Show nested quote +On August 26 2012 23:54 ma70 wrote:
Koreans practice more. That's it. Of course, there are just some with natural talent. This is wrong. They have better competition so the koreans as a whole get stronger together. It's not only that they practice more.
The better competition comes from them practicing more... so it all comes down to more practice ^^ :D
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Hasn't this already been discussed to death?
The general consensus was that Koreans
1. Practice in team houses
2. Play more aggressive
3. Better mechanics
4. Better competition
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Practice, practice, practice that's all.
Koreans are so good because they train more hours a day than we do.
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i hate the foreigner mentality that cheese = noob. I've played a few times on the korean ladder and I got my ass cheesed like a mother. start playing more aggessively foreigners and stop thinking that any attack prior to 20 minutes means you're a noob.
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I believe it has to do with Koreans actually trying to find new things while NA and euro mostly just do the same thing without changing until a Korean makes it popular. In this way the foreigners will always be behind
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On August 28 2012 03:33 rysecake wrote:
i hate the foreigner mentality that cheese = noob. I've played a few times on the korean ladder and I got my ass cheesed like a mother. start playing more aggessively foreigners and stop thinking that any attack prior to 20 minutes means you're a noob.
Just an fyi they aren't only good at cheese. Their execution and mechanics are still a lot better then foreign terrans (most). They can do a variety of styles and not just 1.
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It's weird to see that people whose opinions are "Terran is harder to play" are getting warned/banned. It's not a controversial topic really. Terran was the hardest race to play in BW. Getting C was really easy as Toss and a little harder as zerg. But to do it as Terran was really, really hard. It's the same concept here.
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On August 28 2012 03:50 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 28 2012 03:33 rysecake wrote:
i hate the foreigner mentality that cheese = noob. I've played a few times on the korean ladder and I got my ass cheesed like a mother. start playing more aggessively foreigners and stop thinking that any attack prior to 20 minutes means you're a noob. Just an fyi they aren't only good at cheese. Their execution and mechanics are still a lot better then foreign terrans (most). They can do a variety of styles and not just 1.
You're abolutely right. I just hate the fact that foreigners look down upon aggression so much.
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Korean Terran's have the ability to use their wide variety of harassing tools as well as macro to high level behind the harass. They are really just super good and must push themselves real hard to do what they do, respect. Its like when I watch Korean's occasionally on stream or in tournie they are amazing, but especially the Terran's.
When I watch non-koreans play or even Korean Zerg/Toss and feel like a lot of what they do could be done by a lot of people with real hard work, but some of the Korean Terran's you watch and just think wow.
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On August 28 2012 04:02 Swift118 wrote:
Korean Terran's have the ability to use their wide variety of harassing tools as well as macro to high level behind the harass. They are really just super good and must push themselves real hard to do what they do, respect. Its like when I watch Korean's occasionally on stream or in tournie they are amazing, but especially the Terran's.
When I watch non-koreans play or even Korean Zerg/Toss and feel like a lot of what they do could be done by a lot of people with real hard work, but some of the Korean Terran's you watch and just think wow.
I agree except there are a few toss's like hero, and genius that have wow'd me at times. They do some crazy builds using prism harass while controlling blink stalkers in another battle. Stephano always impresses me with how well he can predict his opponents play, I watch him in tourneys and it's like there's no fog of war.
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On August 28 2012 01:32 Aunvilgod wrote:
Strelok once made a thread about this and asked what the korean terrans did differently. Even the Pros don´t know.
They dont make a thread like these and they minimize their whining time and turn it into practice time.
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