• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:45
CET 16:45
KST 00:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book19Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool43Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises Weekly Cups (August 25-31): Clem's Last Straw? Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2)
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open RSL Season 4 announced for March-April WardiTV Team League Season 10 KSL Week 87
Strategy
Custom Maps
Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
mca64Launcher - New Version with StarCraft: Remast BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ ASL21 General Discussion Soulkey's decision to leave C9 JaeDong's form before ASL
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group B 2026 Changsha Offline Cup [ASL21] Ro24 Group A ASL Season 21 LIVESTREAM with English Commentary
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Soma's 9 hatch build from ASL Game 2
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Path of Exile Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Laptop capable of using Photoshop Lightroom?
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
Unintentional protectionism…
Uldridge
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 3358 users

[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 85

Forum Index > SC2 General
2275 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 83 84 85 86 87 114 Next
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:18:12
August 27 2012 08:16 GMT
#1681
"excluding airforce ace, 90 players will be able to attend gsl 4"

w00t!

this is great news and take it as is. why are people still trying to bring out drama out of shit fiasco, worry about it if it happens for fuck sakes.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
ThePhan2m
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Norway2751 Posts
August 27 2012 08:17 GMT
#1682
Hopefully this is the end of this drama, and not the beginning
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 27 2012 08:17 GMT
#1683
Victory for SC2 as a whole! Hope these guys can patch things up and work together. OGN/Kespa need to realize the money they could steal from us instead of eachother
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 27 2012 08:18 GMT
#1684
On August 27 2012 17:16 jinorazi wrote:
"excluding airforce ace, 90 players will be able to attend gsl 4"

w00t!

How many Kespa players are there?
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 27 2012 08:18 GMT
#1685
Finally, we can watch OSL.

But still feels that another fight will come not long after this. KeSPA has better organization, ESF has better freedom. Maybe ESF will be a players union against owners, KeSPA. They will fight every year, that will be pretty good though, just like every other professional sports league.
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
August 27 2012 08:18 GMT
#1686
On August 27 2012 17:18 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:16 jinorazi wrote:
"excluding airforce ace, 90 players will be able to attend gsl 4"

w00t!

How many Kespa players are there?


article says 90
자연속에 내가 있다! 운!지!
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
August 27 2012 08:19 GMT
#1687
On August 27 2012 17:18 stew_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:18 mrtomjones wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:16 jinorazi wrote:
"excluding airforce ace, 90 players will be able to attend gsl 4"

w00t!

How many Kespa players are there?


article says 90

Yah but I mean total.. how many are not going?
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:25:37
August 27 2012 08:19 GMT
#1688
On August 27 2012 17:18 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:16 jinorazi wrote:
"excluding airforce ace, 90 players will be able to attend gsl 4"

w00t!

How many Kespa players are there?


Including B-teamers, double that, maybe.

And I guess there are also players who no longer belong to a proleague team, but still have progamer license. They should be counted as KeSPA players too.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:20:06
August 27 2012 08:19 GMT
#1689
On August 27 2012 17:18 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:16 jinorazi wrote:
"excluding airforce ace, 90 players will be able to attend gsl 4"

w00t!

How many Kespa players are there?


90+Ace i guess?(excluding b-teamers) 90 is the number thisisgame said. i never counted how many kespa players there are...
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
August 27 2012 08:19 GMT
#1690
HELL YEAH.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
August 27 2012 08:20 GMT
#1691
On August 27 2012 17:12 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 16:59 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 16:57 Frankon wrote:
On August 27 2012 16:55 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 16:33 0neder wrote:
If GOM pulls GSL players out of the OSL Ro16, I will not buy a ticket until Kespa players are in the GSL.
Sure they want to maintain the upper hand, but you can't just ruin an OSL because of it. They're protecting their interests first, and the fans' interest last. Say what you will about Kespa, but without top Kespa players and top sponsors like adidas and samsung, I'm not watching SC2 anymore unless it suddenly becomes a much better game.


So ESF, not GOM which you are blaming, cannot take players out of the OSL but KESPA can take their players out of the GSL, how is that not the definition of hypocritical?

You cannot take out players without them being in GSL in the first place... Flawed logic.


So ESF, not GOM which you are blaming, is not allowed to have their players not compete in OSL but KESPA can have their players not compete in GSL, how is that not the definition of hypocritical?

I just wrote that you cannot take out players from a competition they don't take part in the first place.

Also i cannot blame anyone since both sides eSF(acting as GOM proxy) and Kespa are fighting for their own economic interests.

Btw. This whole situation shows us that right now Blizzard is on top of KR Starcraft. Which could be both good or bad (imagine if WC4 would come out Blizzard "soon")


I did not say they took their players out, I said they refused to let their players compete which is exactly what they did.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:22:36
August 27 2012 08:21 GMT
#1692
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

On August 27 2012 16:59 coloursheep wrote:
I did not say they took their players out, I said they refused to let their players compete which is exactly what they did.

Read again what you wrote.... Took out means that they were already in it in the first place.
Fyodor
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada971 Posts
August 27 2012 08:21 GMT
#1693
[image loading]

Made my day.

Thank you ESF for putting your foot down.
Thank you GOM for keeping a cool head.
Thank you Blizzard for the arbitration.
Thank you KeSPA for not blowing up the scene over some BS.
llllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll
Nahsom
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria361 Posts
August 27 2012 08:22 GMT
#1694
90 Players ... Thats a lot. How many players do the gsl teams have combined? 100? That would almost double the playing field?
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:23:56
August 27 2012 08:22 GMT
#1695
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

uhh how many spots are there in Code Aagain? Arent there 32?
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 27 2012 08:22 GMT
#1696
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....


yeah...thats what i'm scared of XD i hope teams only put out players that thinks its ready or those who wants to try and not force everyone to try even if they're not ready.

...then again there will be people trying to bring out drama out of that too "ohh kespa is limiting its players trying to make gom look bad!!" -,.-
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
stew_
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:23:41
August 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#1697
this will be the toughest gsl ever i think

code s, code a and prelims included.
자연속에 내가 있다! 운!지!
achan1058
Profile Joined February 2012
1091 Posts
August 27 2012 08:23 GMT
#1698
On August 27 2012 17:23 stew_ wrote:
this will be the toughest gsl ever i think

Nah. The worst is yet to come. The KeSPA players will push the eSF players to train even harder.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3390 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:26:02
August 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#1699
So now the question is what dose "joins GSL" means?
Seeds into A/S or few B-teamers in qualifiers?
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
August 27 2012 08:24 GMT
#1700
On August 27 2012 17:22 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

uhh how many spots are there in Code Aagain? Arent there 32?

Based on LP. There are 21 spots for grabs in the GSL season 4 code A qualifiers.
Prev 1 83 84 85 86 87 114 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 8h 15m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Lowko466
LamboSC2 307
Trikslyr44
Rex 43
Codebar 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 32991
Calm 7354
Bisu 2903
Horang2 2687
Shuttle 1199
Larva 712
BeSt 552
Mini 424
firebathero 394
Stork 378
[ Show more ]
Rush 371
Soma 337
Snow 320
ZerO 309
Light 309
EffOrt 292
ggaemo 219
actioN 200
Leta 152
Zeus 100
PianO 87
Sea.KH 74
Backho 68
Sharp 68
Mind 60
HiyA 44
Free 42
[sc1f]eonzerg 40
Barracks 28
sorry 24
Hm[arnc] 23
Shinee 18
Movie 18
Terrorterran 17
IntoTheRainbow 15
soO 14
Sacsri 10
ajuk12(nOOB) 8
ivOry 7
Dota 2
Gorgc6703
Counter-Strike
fl0m852
edward165
oskar86
adren_tv74
Heroes of the Storm
MindelVK21
Other Games
singsing2081
B2W.Neo814
hiko738
FrodaN580
DeMusliM261
Hui .197
crisheroes167
ArmadaUGS125
Sick120
Liquid`VortiX120
QueenE104
ZerO(Twitch)20
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream60
StarCraft: Brood War
Kim Chul Min (afreeca) 8
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• poizon28 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• Noizen45
League of Legends
• Nemesis3588
• TFBlade911
Upcoming Events
PiGosaur Cup
8h 15m
Replay Cast
17h 15m
Afreeca Starleague
18h 15m
hero vs YSC
Larva vs Shine
Kung Fu Cup
19h 15m
Replay Cast
1d 8h
KCM Race Survival
1d 17h
The PondCast
1d 18h
WardiTV Team League
1d 20h
OSC
1d 20h
Replay Cast
2 days
[ Show More ]
WardiTV Team League
2 days
RSL Revival
3 days
Cure vs Zoun
herO vs Rogue
WardiTV Team League
3 days
Platinum Heroes Events
3 days
BSL
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
4 days
BSL
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Afreeca Starleague
5 days
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
5 days
Monday Night Weeklies
6 days
OSC
6 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Afreeca Starleague
6 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-23
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 1
BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

2026 Changsha Offline CUP
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.