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[Resolved] Kespa, GOM, ESF dispute - Page 87

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6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#1721
On August 27 2012 17:40 MCXD wrote:
I wouldn't celebrate yet. KeSPA likely has something up their sleeves very soon.

I think so too. But at least they're talking
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 27 2012 08:43 GMT
#1722
On August 27 2012 17:42 jinorazi wrote:
on a side note, gsl 4 qualifiers have been pushed back to 9/12.
i think there will be chances that cj and khan may not join gsl4 along with whichever team that gets through the playoff since they've already been seeded for semi and finals for proleague. proleague ends 9/22.


I really doubt they will hold back all the players

maybe the ones that are going to play in the finals they will.
charliewinsmore
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
98 Posts
August 27 2012 08:44 GMT
#1723
i just thought of how cool GSTL will be if/when kespa teams participate.. can't wait.
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 27 2012 08:44 GMT
#1724
And what about the "big event" Kespa was talking about? I guess they were forced to show their hand on that one.
skyflyfish
Profile Joined January 2012
Canada499 Posts
August 27 2012 08:45 GMT
#1725
On August 27 2012 17:44 charlieso wrote:
i just thought of how cool GSTL will be if/when kespa teams participate.. can't wait.

more all kills?
as1
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 27 2012 08:45 GMT
#1726
On August 27 2012 17:40 MCXD wrote:
I wouldn't celebrate yet. KeSPA likely has something up their sleeves very soon.


as in not all 90 players entering? i highly doubt even half may join because of proleague not ending till late september but that should be up to team's discretion, not kespa.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
August 27 2012 08:45 GMT
#1727
Occupy GSL
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Deathmanbob
Profile Joined December 2010
United States2356 Posts
August 27 2012 08:47 GMT
#1728
YES!!!!!!!!!!! ESPORTS WINS!!!!!!!!!!!
No Artosis, you are robin
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
August 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#1729
On August 27 2012 17:33 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:29 massivez wrote:
Will there be seeds in GSL? Players like Effort, Jaedong, Reality, Roro, Flash,...?


I guess not. But with 100 players in qualifiers, code A should be filled with lots of KeSPA players.

Who said that they will send many players into qualifiers?
All you may get 3 weakest that are willing to look for a new team.
I'd be very surprised if any stars showed up.

Kespa cannot afford to send weakest players. The participation of stars is also pretty hard to predict.

Keep in mind that to play in code A you just have to be in masters in korea.
Now look at Kespa players. They all have pro-player licences. Imagine a licensed player losing to some scrub who decided to take part in the qualifiers. Heck with Kespa players we have a chance that for the first time code A qualifier will have no byes in first round (s)

For Kespa this GSL 4 code qualifier could well be one of the hardest obstacle they ever face. Thats one of the reason they wanted to delay it as much as possible.

To put it simple. Kespa players aren't allowed to lose in the code A qualifier - since a lose to some random kr ladder hero would be as big of a upset as ACE winning PL. (no offence ACE fans)
ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
August 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#1730
I am very very pleased
It's better aerodynamics for space. - Artosis
ElephantBaby
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1365 Posts
August 27 2012 08:48 GMT
#1731
On August 27 2012 17:44 charlieso wrote:
i just thought of how cool GSTL will be if/when kespa teams participate.. can't wait.


They will definitely not participate GSTL. If everything relation-wise is good, maybe they can play a championship final between Proleague champion and GSTL champion.
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:50:47
August 27 2012 08:49 GMT
#1732
ESF WINS! WE WIN!!! WOOT

This battle may be over and we may be the victors here.

But the war, is far from over.
coloursheep
Profile Joined May 2011
China497 Posts
August 27 2012 08:51 GMT
#1733
On August 27 2012 17:32 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:28 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

On August 27 2012 16:59 coloursheep wrote:
I did not say they took their players out, I said they refused to let their players compete which is exactly what they did.

Read again what you wrote.... Took out means that they were already in it in the first place.


So ESF, not GOM which you are blaming, is not allowed to have their players not compete in OSL but KESPA can have their players not compete in GSL, how is that not the definition of hypocritical?


Show nested quote +
I said KESPA can have their players not complete, yes the first time I misstated, but i rephrased it as you can see above and you restated that I said took their players out which as you can see in the post I did not.


esf would have hurt ogn(maybe cancel event, FIRST SC2 OSL!!) more than kespa hurting gomtv(disappointing hyped fans). osl was already set. gsl4 didnt even start.


This was started by KESPA not competing in GSL4, everything that followed was a result of this decision and therefore the blame belongs to KESPA.
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 27 2012 08:51 GMT
#1734
On August 27 2012 17:48 Frankon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:33 pmp10 wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:31 ElephantBaby wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:29 massivez wrote:
Will there be seeds in GSL? Players like Effort, Jaedong, Reality, Roro, Flash,...?


I guess not. But with 100 players in qualifiers, code A should be filled with lots of KeSPA players.

Who said that they will send many players into qualifiers?
All you may get 3 weakest that are willing to look for a new team.
I'd be very surprised if any stars showed up.

Kespa cannot afford to send weakest players. The participation of stars is also pretty hard to predict.

Keep in mind that to play in code A you just have to be in masters in korea.
Now look at Kespa players. They all have pro-player licences. Imagine a licensed player losing to some scrub who decided to take part in the qualifiers. Heck with Kespa players we have a chance that for the first time code A qualifier will have no byes in first round (s)

For Kespa this GSL 4 code qualifier could well be one of the hardest obstacle they ever face. Thats one of the reason they wanted to delay it as much as possible.

To put it simple. Kespa players aren't allowed to lose in the code A qualifier - since a lose to some random kr ladder hero would be as big of a upset as ACE winning PL. (no offence ACE fans)


i dreamed of that day since boxer's ace days...that hope is gone now

maybe ROKArmy Destructibles? XDXDXD
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
August 27 2012 08:51 GMT
#1735
Thank God KeSPA stopped the derping.

I am SOOO happy that it ends this way !

Gogo Kespa players in the GSL ! :D

Gogo GOM players in the OSL ! ^_^
LiquipediaWanderer
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-27 08:52:13
August 27 2012 08:52 GMT
#1736
I don't understand the "KEspa send 90 players"
Why the hell Kespa would send anyone, just let those who can play, play. Kespa sending players sounds like the players can be chosen with arbitrary criteria.

edit : good news anyway
schaf
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1326 Posts
August 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#1737
On August 27 2012 17:45 jinorazi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:40 MCXD wrote:
I wouldn't celebrate yet. KeSPA likely has something up their sleeves very soon.


as in not all 90 players entering? i highly doubt even half may join because of proleague not ending till late september but that should be up to team's discretion, not kespa.


I just hope ESF wont bitch about it
Axiom wins more than it loses. Most viewers don't. - <3 TB
jinorazi
Profile Joined October 2004
Korea (South)4948 Posts
August 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#1738
On August 27 2012 17:51 coloursheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 27 2012 17:32 jinorazi wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:28 coloursheep wrote:
On August 27 2012 17:21 Frankon wrote:
Now if Kespa doesn't get 21 players into the Code A through the qualifiers it would be a upset for them....

On August 27 2012 16:59 coloursheep wrote:
I did not say they took their players out, I said they refused to let their players compete which is exactly what they did.

Read again what you wrote.... Took out means that they were already in it in the first place.


So ESF, not GOM which you are blaming, is not allowed to have their players not compete in OSL but KESPA can have their players not compete in GSL, how is that not the definition of hypocritical?


I said KESPA can have their players not complete, yes the first time I misstated, but i rephrased it as you can see above and you restated that I said took their players out which as you can see in the post I did not.


esf would have hurt ogn(maybe cancel event, FIRST SC2 OSL!!) more than kespa hurting gomtv(disappointing hyped fans). osl was already set. gsl4 didnt even start.


This was started by KESPA not competing in GSL4, everything that followed was a result of this decision and therefore the blame belongs to KESPA.


...and who is disputing that? no one from what i can see. but to say what esf did is on par with what kespa did...not even close.
age: 84 | location: california | sex: 잘함
Aetherial
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia917 Posts
August 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#1739
What about after season 5? From what I can tell it's only season 4 & 5 now...
6NR
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1472 Posts
August 27 2012 08:53 GMT
#1740
In the long run, will we have a consolidated Korean SC2 organization, or 2 organizations like we have today?
A lot will depend on how the interest picks up in the next few months.
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