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On August 22 2012 15:06 iNcontroL wrote:
remind me to never get on the wrong side of chargelot
You shouldn't worry too much, it's not like throwing some random data ever proved a point 
You take 2 players, ignore some stuff and then try to drw conclusion out of this. In fact if you replace nasl season 2 winnings (a weird tournament with sth like the best money/(player quality) ratio ever) with the winnings this should have been considering the level of the tournament (let's say 10K euros, like a dreamhack, a AOS ROG or a IEM), the "datas" aren't really apealing anymore 
Ps : did you know that Best have 1 elo rank point more than TheBest ?
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I really wonder if EG and Stephano are aware of the EG-Curse? I don't know whats better, getting 12k a month from EG or the feeling of winning tournaments. Stephano should have some selfrespect and decline the offer from EG. Getting some lesser salary but having the chance to win tournaments sounds better to me.
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On August 22 2012 17:55 -Archangel- wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 17:49 Linkirvana wrote:On August 22 2012 17:29 fishjie wrote:
why hate on EG for having sponsors? how else do you think they run a sustainable business? look at all the other teams shutting down left and right. EG knows how to get it done with respect to staying profitable, although not in terms of tournament results. believe me, you wanna cheer for EG, because if they fail, then this esports fad will be proven to be unsustainable failure as well. Isn't it obvious why people hate on EG? They are viewed as the corporation team of SC2, they are viewed as the team where the players whore themselves out for awesome salaries. You even point it out yourself: Teams left and right are shutting down, but EG's not, because it has so many sponsors, which automatically begs for the question: How can you have so many sponsors if you're not selling out atleast a little? Personally I get these opinions, because I feel they hold some truth as well, however I do realize that I have way too little insight in EG's business to actually go about and hate on EG, so I won't. However I don't find it strange at all that people draw this conclusion about EG. I don't think this is why people don't like EG. It is more because EG buys good players instead of growing its own and then those good players become average players.
I think this is pretty much spot on. And this is one of the big differences between eg and liquid. Nazgul even said in liquid rising that the main objective of the team is to make players better than they already are, even if they are Already code s material. Ie: look at Taeja and how awesome he is performing since he joined liquid. Same with huk when he was in liquid
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On August 22 2012 18:27 O Fortuna PLS wrote:
I really wonder if EG and Stephano are aware of the EG-Curse? I don't know whats better, getting 12k a month from EG or the feeling of winning tournaments. Stephano should have some selfrespect and decline the offer from EG. Getting some lesser salary but having the chance to win tournaments sounds better to me.
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If you were at Stephano position, you would go to EG. Ofcourse Viewer have a other perspective than players.
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On August 22 2012 18:37 Incomplet wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 17:55 -Archangel- wrote:On August 22 2012 17:49 Linkirvana wrote:On August 22 2012 17:29 fishjie wrote:
why hate on EG for having sponsors? how else do you think they run a sustainable business? look at all the other teams shutting down left and right. EG knows how to get it done with respect to staying profitable, although not in terms of tournament results. believe me, you wanna cheer for EG, because if they fail, then this esports fad will be proven to be unsustainable failure as well. Isn't it obvious why people hate on EG? They are viewed as the corporation team of SC2, they are viewed as the team where the players whore themselves out for awesome salaries. You even point it out yourself: Teams left and right are shutting down, but EG's not, because it has so many sponsors, which automatically begs for the question: How can you have so many sponsors if you're not selling out atleast a little? Personally I get these opinions, because I feel they hold some truth as well, however I do realize that I have way too little insight in EG's business to actually go about and hate on EG, so I won't. However I don't find it strange at all that people draw this conclusion about EG. I don't think this is why people don't like EG. It is more because EG buys good players instead of growing its own and then those good players become average players. I think this is pretty much spot on. And this is one of the big differences between eg and liquid. Nazgul even said in liquid rising that the main objective of the team is to make players better than they already are, even if they are Already code s material. Ie: look at Taeja and how awesome he is performing since he joined liquid. Same with huk when he was in liquid
I like how people cherry pick the facts that fit their view. Look at the whole liquid team and tell me with a straigh face they have progressed more than others.
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So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal!
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On August 22 2012 17:55 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 17:49 Linkirvana wrote:On August 22 2012 17:29 fishjie wrote:
why hate on EG for having sponsors? how else do you think they run a sustainable business? look at all the other teams shutting down left and right. EG knows how to get it done with respect to staying profitable, although not in terms of tournament results. believe me, you wanna cheer for EG, because if they fail, then this esports fad will be proven to be unsustainable failure as well. Isn't it obvious why people hate on EG? They are viewed as the corporation team of SC2, they are viewed as the team where the players whore themselves out for awesome salaries. You even point it out yourself: Teams left and right are shutting down, but EG's not, because it has so many sponsors, which automatically begs for the question: How can you have so many sponsors if you're not selling out atleast a little? Personally I get these opinions, because I feel they hold some truth as well, however I do realize that I have way too little insight in EG's business to actually go about and hate on EG, so I won't. However I don't find it strange at all that people draw this conclusion about EG. Well, how do you sell out? Because I have no idea. Players play Starcraft regardless of the team they´re part of. Nothing changes except for the shirt they´re wearing. So where exactly are they doing anything out of the ordinary. One contract ends, another one begins... I´m kind of puzzled why that is a bad thing.
Running around with a can of monster at nearly all times and mentioning them like it's some prayer you have to repeat every 2-3 hours pretty much defines "sell-out" to me...
It's like in some movies where it seems as there is nothing but iPhones or only one certain car brand in an entire fucking city/country/world.
It stinks.
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On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal!
Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big.
But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all.
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On August 22 2012 18:27 O Fortuna PLS wrote:
I really wonder if EG and Stephano are aware of the EG-Curse? I don't know whats better, getting 12k a month from EG or the feeling of winning tournaments. Stephano should have some selfrespect and decline the offer from EG. Getting some lesser salary but having the chance to win tournaments sounds better to me.
1 post, and such a bad one at that... bandwagon troll.
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@Daswoll~
Because of the reasons I stated in my post, EG kind of has the image of being the team that throws money at players to make more money, whereas other teams (good example is Team Liquid I guess) have the image of being all about the game and not care as much about money/sponsors.
Whether these images strike true or not is not up to me to decide, these are just my thoughts as to why people hate on EG.
@jmbthirteen
What the fuck are you being so sarcastic for? That wasn't my point AT ALL. There's a difference in selling cookies because you enjoy baking cookies and selling cookies because you like money. Image-wise I feel this is what's going on with the hate towards EG.
I'm not trying to hate at all, just trying to pass on my thoughts as to why people hate EG. As I've pointed out before I lack enough information to judge EG at all, as do most people by the way, however as I pointed out there's probably some truth there.
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On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal!
Making a lot of money doesn't make a team. Yes EG is a successful business but they aren't a successful team. They bought almost every top foreigner who was on a roll and good koreans but even with their outstanding facilities, they had disappointing results after the transfers both in team league and individual leagues. Something is not working as intended in EG and that's what people the EG curse. Tryng to deny it is foolish.
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On August 22 2012 18:59 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal! Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big. But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all.
You always have something to learn from your enemy either to improve your management or to watch out for future mistakes. I know french pride is bigger than the Eiffel tower but... some pragmatism is welcome at business. Because we are talking about business isn't it?
Also, if Mill has enough, then why didn't they keep him? Yeah, because they can't afford it. Maybe if they had better management, marketing and sponsorship they could. But at this moment EG bank is bigger due to their marketing investment.
And they are also signing new and uprising players, so it is not only they got well established players.
Don't get me wrong. I'm supporting EG second to Karont3, a spanish pro team which has begun few months ago. (Which I would like to have the badge for it at TL )
But I like the way they do business.
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On August 22 2012 18:59 Agathon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal! Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big. But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all.
EG was around for 10 years before Mill even got started. EG has shown they can provide unequaled stability for their players in a volatile market. It's crazy talk to say that other teams have nothing to learn from EG.
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Running around with a can of monster at nearly all times and mentioning them like it's some prayer you have to repeat every 2-3 hours pretty much defines "sell-out" to me...
It's like in some movies where it seems as there is nothing but iPhones or only one certain car brand in an entire fucking city/country/world.
It stinks.
Stinks of what: marketing, sustainability?
If advertising is selling out, then the whole world´s been sold out for decades.
@Daswoll~
Because of the reasons I stated in my post, EG kind of has the image of being the team that throws money at players to make more money, whereas other teams (good example is Team Liquid I guess) have the image of being all about the game and not care as much about money/sponsors.
Whether these images strike true or not is not up to me to decide, these are just my thoughts as to why people hate on EG.
What a lot of people seem to forget is that EG is simply providing an offer, nothing more. The players are the ones who agree or refuse to the terms. There is nothing wrong or immoral in offering more than another team. Nobody is forced to "sell out". Hate the player, not the game.
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On August 22 2012 19:16 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:59 Agathon wrote:On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal! Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big. But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all. EG was around for 10 years before Mill even got started. EG has shown they can provide unequaled stability for their players in a volatile market. It's crazy talk to say that other teams have nothing to learn from EG.
LOL. You read too much into Liquipedia dude. Millenium is a pretty old clan.
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On August 22 2012 08:35 Gotnerves wrote:
He better watch out for JYP's touch lol
I see what you did there 
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On August 22 2012 19:16 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 18:59 Agathon wrote:On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal! Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big. But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all. EG was around for 10 years before Mill even got started. EG has shown they can provide unequaled stability for their players in a volatile market. It's crazy talk to say that other teams have nothing to learn from EG.
On August 22 2012 19:13 Otolia wrote:
Making a lot of money doesn't make a team. Yes EG is a successful business but they aren't a successful team. They bought almost every top foreigner who was on a roll and good koreans but even with their outstanding facilities, they had disappointing results after the transfers both in team league and individual leagues. Something is not working as intended in EG and that's what people the EG curse. Tryng to deny it is foolish.
So it would seem Millenium is learning from EG after all. Buy good Koreans (Dragon and ForGG), get a training house and still perform poorly. What have Adelscott, Tarson, Diestar and crew been up to lately? Haven't heard much from them in the way of results. I'm gonna stop here because I don't want to hate on any team, I'm just trying to make a point. The same stuff can be said of any number of foreign teams. The fact is teams with money and means are quickly following in EG's steps (Mill included). Trying to deny it is foolish.
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On August 22 2012 19:21 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 19:16 SupLilSon wrote:On August 22 2012 18:59 Agathon wrote:On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal! Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big. But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all. EG was around for 10 years before Mill even got started. EG has shown they can provide unequaled stability for their players in a volatile market. It's crazy talk to say that other teams have nothing to learn from EG. LOL. You read too much into Liquipedia dude. Millenium is a pretty old clan.
I would have never known who they were otherwise...
And whatever the case, EG is still older.
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On August 22 2012 19:21 Otolia wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 19:16 SupLilSon wrote:On August 22 2012 18:59 Agathon wrote:On August 22 2012 18:49 Eviscerador wrote:
So one of the best zergs in the world and most probably the current best foreigner zerg has signed a big contract which will allow him to live from gaming and keep travelling and going to tournaments.
Seems good for the scene.
Maybe other teams should take a look at the EG's ways to manage a proficient e-sports team.
Because without sponsors and money, we won't have all the stuff we have at the scene. Good will and improvement are good in spirit, but doesn't pay bills and flight tickets.
Also "Oh noez!! The EG curse is incomingzz!!" just to stay in line with the topic.
Congrats to EG and Stephano for the deal! Stephano had no problem for living from gaming and travelling with Millenium. The only difference between EG and Millenium is the size of the check, huge or big. But Mill (or other teams) have nothing to learn from EG. Nothing at all. EG was around for 10 years before Mill even got started. EG has shown they can provide unequaled stability for their players in a volatile market. It's crazy talk to say that other teams have nothing to learn from EG. LOL. You read too much into Liquipedia dude. Millenium is a pretty old clan.
yeah they existed in the BW days i think XD
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On August 22 2012 19:17 Daswollvieh wrote:Show nested quote +@Daswoll~
Because of the reasons I stated in my post, EG kind of has the image of being the team that throws money at players to make more money, whereas other teams (good example is Team Liquid I guess) have the image of being all about the game and not care as much about money/sponsors.
Whether these images strike true or not is not up to me to decide, these are just my thoughts as to why people hate on EG. What a lot of people seem to forget is that EG is simply providing an offer, nothing more. The players are the ones who agree or refuse to the terms. There is nothing wrong or immoral in offering more than another team. Nobody is forced to "sell out". Hate the player, not the game.
So I should hate the players for taking the money? That's dumb, their love for sc2 is not undermined by taking a big paycheque.
However: EG's love for SC2 is undermined by giving out big paycheques to high profile players to pleasure the stockholders over at mr sponsor's.
Atleast, that's the image they portray kind of, again I'm not saying I necesarrily think this is the case due to my lack of information, I'm just saying that I think people who are hating on EG look at EG this way.
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