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Stephano did refuse a 8ke month salary from Mill. so I guess EG offer him more than that. 1k is nothing for him, that's what he earned per month this year
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On August 22 2012 08:26 naux wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:19 SilSol wrote:On August 22 2012 08:17 naux wrote:On August 22 2012 08:11 GreEny K wrote:On August 22 2012 08:08 SupLilSon wrote:On August 22 2012 08:05 Swift118 wrote:On August 22 2012 07:54 Myrkskog wrote:On August 22 2012 07:42 Swift118 wrote:On August 22 2012 07:23 Myrkskog wrote:On August 22 2012 07:10 Swift118 wrote:
EG are just dominating the foreign SC2 scene now and their style is hardly conducive of improving the players they get and creating a hard-working passionate scene. Setting up a pro-gaming house where their players can constantly practice and bounce ideas off each other... hardly conducive to improving the players. Providing players with a competitive salary and living arrangements so that they can concentrate entirely on improving their play... hardly conducive to improving the players. Hiring a well respected sports psychologist to work on the mental aspect and strain on their players... hardly conducive to improving the players. Paying for flights and arranging accommodation for their players to stay and train in Korea... hardly conducive to improving their players. Flying large parts of their roster to compete in tons of events around the world... hardly conducive to improving their players. Shall I continue, or do you want to reconsider that dumb post? Has any player actually improved since joining EG? No, actually some of them seem to have gone backwards in the pro scene if anything. So maybe they are like the kids who get the Benz from their parents before they work hard in college, seems less of a reason for one to actually improve their standing. Just look at the Korean scene, they have players you have not even heard of that can beat some of the best foreign players. Once EG sign players and actually improve them and get one or two to regularly sit in code s then you can come back to me legitimately and say my post is dumb. Until that point you are looking like some sort of sad virgin who only looks for posts for some pety sort of argument. User was warned for this post So you are actually going to argue that any of the points I made are not conducive to improving the play of their roster? Your post was dumb, this post is dumb, and the fact that you quickly resort to personal insults when you are called out is dumb. You took my post way to literal. Point is EG have not improved any of their players, maybe there is a reason for that.... oh wait i guess that is dumb aswell. What foreign teams have improved their players? Maybe you can answer that? All the relevant SC2 teams have gone the way of buying Koreans. goswser, sheth, trimaster all come to mind. sheth is okay but he doesnt win tournaments and did you just name goswser and trimaster? LOL there both bad players and didnt trimaster go to korea? no results holy shit? reality check? who are you btw? saying that goswser and trimaster is bad is just dumb really. What league are you diamond? what have i achieved? Second of all sheth isn't just "ok" so get it right next time before you post. You mad? Truth hurts doesn't it? What has trimaster done in the past year instead of getting lucky beating IdrA and Jinro and same goes to Gowser what has he done? Nothing get 1st place in complexity academy? Which it's a joke of a tournament, players who all are in masters and try to become pro. You want to bash me..? Try a little harder next time.. I go to school and i can bet i am more educated and will be more successful than you any day of the week.. And yeah Sheth is just "ok" what has he done? Don't get mad, keep your day job. edit - i also think its funny that your only argument is saying "sheth trimaster goswer are not bad okay thats just dumb" thanks for proving me wrong..
all of the players you listed have proven that can compete with take games and even series from the every one but the absolute highest level of korean pros. i understand not every one is cappable of looking past tournament results to the actual play in said tournaments but please refrain from bashing if you do lack that ability.
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On August 22 2012 08:40 magicallypuzzled wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:26 naux wrote:On August 22 2012 08:19 SilSol wrote:On August 22 2012 08:17 naux wrote:On August 22 2012 08:11 GreEny K wrote:On August 22 2012 08:08 SupLilSon wrote:On August 22 2012 08:05 Swift118 wrote:On August 22 2012 07:54 Myrkskog wrote:On August 22 2012 07:42 Swift118 wrote:On August 22 2012 07:23 Myrkskog wrote:
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Setting up a pro-gaming house where their players can constantly practice and bounce ideas off each other... hardly conducive to improving the players.
Providing players with a competitive salary and living arrangements so that they can concentrate entirely on improving their play... hardly conducive to improving the players.
Hiring a well respected sports psychologist to work on the mental aspect and strain on their players... hardly conducive to improving the players.
Paying for flights and arranging accommodation for their players to stay and train in Korea... hardly conducive to improving their players.
Flying large parts of their roster to compete in tons of events around the world... hardly conducive to improving their players.
Shall I continue, or do you want to reconsider that dumb post? Has any player actually improved since joining EG? No, actually some of them seem to have gone backwards in the pro scene if anything. So maybe they are like the kids who get the Benz from their parents before they work hard in college, seems less of a reason for one to actually improve their standing. Just look at the Korean scene, they have players you have not even heard of that can beat some of the best foreign players. Once EG sign players and actually improve them and get one or two to regularly sit in code s then you can come back to me legitimately and say my post is dumb. Until that point you are looking like some sort of sad virgin who only looks for posts for some pety sort of argument. User was warned for this post So you are actually going to argue that any of the points I made are not conducive to improving the play of their roster? Your post was dumb, this post is dumb, and the fact that you quickly resort to personal insults when you are called out is dumb. You took my post way to literal. Point is EG have not improved any of their players, maybe there is a reason for that.... oh wait i guess that is dumb aswell. What foreign teams have improved their players? Maybe you can answer that? All the relevant SC2 teams have gone the way of buying Koreans. goswser, sheth, trimaster all come to mind. sheth is okay but he doesnt win tournaments and did you just name goswser and trimaster? LOL there both bad players and didnt trimaster go to korea? no results holy shit? reality check? who are you btw? saying that goswser and trimaster is bad is just dumb really. What league are you diamond? what have i achieved? Second of all sheth isn't just "ok" so get it right next time before you post. You mad? Truth hurts doesn't it? What has trimaster done in the past year instead of getting lucky beating IdrA and Jinro and same goes to Gowser what has he done? Nothing get 1st place in complexity academy? Which it's a joke of a tournament, players who all are in masters and try to become pro. You want to bash me..? Try a little harder next time.. I go to school and i can bet i am more educated and will be more successful than you any day of the week.. And yeah Sheth is just "ok" what has he done? Don't get mad, keep your day job. edit - i also think its funny that your only argument is saying "sheth trimaster goswer are not bad okay thats just dumb" thanks for proving me wrong.. all of the players you listed have proven that can compete with take games and even series from the every one but the absolute highest level of korean pros. i understand not every one is cappable of looking past tournament results to the actual play in said tournaments but please refrain from bashing if you do lack that ability.
The players he listed haven't done anything relevant in a long time.
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On August 22 2012 08:32 Dingodile wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:14 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:41 Dingodile wrote:On August 22 2012 07:32 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:26 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On August 22 2012 07:17 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 05:19 HazeInMotion wrote:On August 22 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 04:04 whereismymind wrote:
He wont stop producing results. It will be the same for him if he was playing at home or Mill house or EG, becuase he doesn't have to learn stuff to improve, he just experiments in his head. The only difference will be Milleniums $1000 per month salary versus $2500-3500 per month salary at EG.
Good luck man, you deserve it. I hear its more like +15k$ per month. I hope you're not delusional enough to believe that. They make $50-60k a year MAX... and I think I'm being generous there. Honestly most of you are probably not out of high school and don't have a clue about salaries in the real world... $15k/month = $180,000 / year. That's more than engineers with 20 years work experiences, on par with average doctors salaries, etc.. You really believe someone who plays a video game that ONLY contributes sponsor exposure makes THAT much money? Seriously, you people need to get a clue. You got no idea what you talking about. Stephano will get one of the world´s highest payed salaries for a Starcraft player. 15k$ per month isn't bad guess. I think it will be between 12-16k$ but we will see I'm sure EG will PR the shit out of his salary And BTW I'm a mechanical engineer I know exactly how much we make! I can guarantee you that Stephano will not make $15k per month. It's a horrible guess. Remember the WC3 teams when they paid their players enormous salaries for not that much prize money in return--they all died. Stephano might be one of the best foreigners in the world but $180k per year is way too much when you compute all the prize money and streaming money. There's probably money from publicity and sponsors, but even the most popular sc2 players won't make enough money to compensate for that big of a paycheck. Hell, I even doubt HuK even makes six figures. For a guy that makes at most $30k prize money per year, I doubt all the streaming and sponsor money is enough to justify six figures. true, he'll probably be on like $1000 a month tops imo, if that $1000 (~800€)? I know how much Socke and HasuObs earn (around) and if Stephano really get 1000$/month in his new contract, my head will explode. why you think that is too much or too little? I really don't think there is that much money in esports to pay someone anything close to approaching five figures and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise Let's say an example: Hasu earn 500$/month, imo stephano deserve more than double, rather triple or quadruple. Ofcourse i won't say how much they earn. Mana told in one of several interviews that he earn 13,5k yearly at mouz. I can say that because he made it public.
doesn't matter how much he deserves, 13.5K a year for Mana sounds about right considering how big/small sc2 esports is, I reckon Stephano won't be on more than 30K a year and that is being generous
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Very interesting, indeed!
It will be further interesting to see what team is in the hunt and retains such a star player - given his level of play, I would not doubt some Korean teams as well as foreigner teams are chomping at the bit to put an offer forward. Stephano is a star player this year, is continuously posting good results, and probably fetches top sponsorship dollars - if he hasn't already secured personal sponsors.
So, I wonder which team it will be, or will he go a 'la Grubby and White-ra and go it alone?
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On August 22 2012 07:53 Slardar wrote:This is my personal take on why EG gets a lot of flak, including from myself in this regard. Their business strategy just seems to be a monopoly on Western SC2 eSports. This isn't an issue for stabilized markets, scenes, but SC2 eSports is still very young. We need rivalries and competition, to foster the communities growth. Remember Liquid HuK vs EG IdrA? That was HUGE in our scene, until EG took that away from us. EG has no respect to other teams and the market, leaving teams crippled in their wake. (Mouz, Liquid, until replacements). Look at the future, they will be the kings of the rubble that is left of the market. Here are some interesting links that someone pointed me toward. http://www.myeg.net/stephanohttp://www.myeg.net/kas
I seriously doubt the general public cares about what team players are on.
Nestea has faced MVP in the GSL finals a couple times - did the fact that they were teammates decrease the entertainment, exposure or take away from their rivalry? I don't think so.
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On August 22 2012 08:14 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 07:41 Dingodile wrote:On August 22 2012 07:32 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:26 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On August 22 2012 07:17 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 05:19 HazeInMotion wrote:On August 22 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 04:04 whereismymind wrote:
He wont stop producing results. It will be the same for him if he was playing at home or Mill house or EG, becuase he doesn't have to learn stuff to improve, he just experiments in his head. The only difference will be Milleniums $1000 per month salary versus $2500-3500 per month salary at EG.
Good luck man, you deserve it. I hear its more like +15k$ per month. I hope you're not delusional enough to believe that. They make $50-60k a year MAX... and I think I'm being generous there. Honestly most of you are probably not out of high school and don't have a clue about salaries in the real world... $15k/month = $180,000 / year. That's more than engineers with 20 years work experiences, on par with average doctors salaries, etc.. You really believe someone who plays a video game that ONLY contributes sponsor exposure makes THAT much money? Seriously, you people need to get a clue. You got no idea what you talking about. Stephano will get one of the world´s highest payed salaries for a Starcraft player. 15k$ per month isn't bad guess. I think it will be between 12-16k$ but we will see I'm sure EG will PR the shit out of his salary And BTW I'm a mechanical engineer I know exactly how much we make! I can guarantee you that Stephano will not make $15k per month. It's a horrible guess. Remember the WC3 teams when they paid their players enormous salaries for not that much prize money in return--they all died. Stephano might be one of the best foreigners in the world but $180k per year is way too much when you compute all the prize money and streaming money. There's probably money from publicity and sponsors, but even the most popular sc2 players won't make enough money to compensate for that big of a paycheck. Hell, I even doubt HuK even makes six figures. For a guy that makes at most $30k prize money per year, I doubt all the streaming and sponsor money is enough to justify six figures. true, he'll probably be on like $1000 a month tops imo, if that $1000 (~800€)? I know how much Socke and HasuObs earn (around) and if Stephano really get 1000$/month in his new contract, my head will explode. why you think that is too much or too little? I really don't think there is that much money in esports to pay someone anything close to approaching five figures and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise
do you realise how much shit you are saying with your numbers ? It's a fucking fact that he is making 1.5 K € right now in millenium, the source ? his fucking manager himself. And your guess is that he is going to get half of that tops ?
I love the part where you say he will not make more than 15K / year when he already does more
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Ok so I made a few joke comments in here (more with the fun) but it is actually a really silly idea that Stephano will simply lose money based on getting more money with EG... Stephano has proven firstly that he is all about money and making more of it, I highly doubt he will simply go "making 6 figures, that's it for me" because he wants to be the wealthiest player to play (hell he's giving up being a doctor for SC2 which has been an extreme decision pacing through his mind for the previous year plus)
So will Stephano decline? No, in fact I would wager that he will be the inspirational boost that EG really needs. This year might have been the Year of TaejaLiquid but if EG plays its cards right it might be the year of StephanoEG.
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On August 22 2012 08:44 FaRess wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:14 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:41 Dingodile wrote:On August 22 2012 07:32 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:26 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On August 22 2012 07:17 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 05:19 HazeInMotion wrote:On August 22 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 04:04 whereismymind wrote:
He wont stop producing results. It will be the same for him if he was playing at home or Mill house or EG, becuase he doesn't have to learn stuff to improve, he just experiments in his head. The only difference will be Milleniums $1000 per month salary versus $2500-3500 per month salary at EG.
Good luck man, you deserve it. I hear its more like +15k$ per month. I hope you're not delusional enough to believe that. They make $50-60k a year MAX... and I think I'm being generous there. Honestly most of you are probably not out of high school and don't have a clue about salaries in the real world... $15k/month = $180,000 / year. That's more than engineers with 20 years work experiences, on par with average doctors salaries, etc.. You really believe someone who plays a video game that ONLY contributes sponsor exposure makes THAT much money? Seriously, you people need to get a clue. You got no idea what you talking about. Stephano will get one of the world´s highest payed salaries for a Starcraft player. 15k$ per month isn't bad guess. I think it will be between 12-16k$ but we will see I'm sure EG will PR the shit out of his salary And BTW I'm a mechanical engineer I know exactly how much we make! I can guarantee you that Stephano will not make $15k per month. It's a horrible guess. Remember the WC3 teams when they paid their players enormous salaries for not that much prize money in return--they all died. Stephano might be one of the best foreigners in the world but $180k per year is way too much when you compute all the prize money and streaming money. There's probably money from publicity and sponsors, but even the most popular sc2 players won't make enough money to compensate for that big of a paycheck. Hell, I even doubt HuK even makes six figures. For a guy that makes at most $30k prize money per year, I doubt all the streaming and sponsor money is enough to justify six figures. true, he'll probably be on like $1000 a month tops imo, if that $1000 (~800€)? I know how much Socke and HasuObs earn (around) and if Stephano really get 1000$/month in his new contract, my head will explode. why you think that is too much or too little? I really don't think there is that much money in esports to pay someone anything close to approaching five figures and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise do you realise how much shit you are saying with your numbers ? It's a fucking fact that he is making 1.5 K € right now in millenium, the source ? his fucking manager himself. And your guess is that he is going to get half of that tops ?
got a source on that? like an actual quote or link (saying he got offered this or that without a source is meaningless)
maybe he'll make 3K euros a month maximum but people thinking he is making 15K are delusional imo, unless EG are insane
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It's too bad they had to part ways, but if this opens up a new era of awesome EGStephano, that's great! All good things must come to an end, if only to make way for more good things.
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On August 22 2012 08:42 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:32 Dingodile wrote:On August 22 2012 08:14 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:41 Dingodile wrote:On August 22 2012 07:32 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:26 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On August 22 2012 07:17 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 05:19 HazeInMotion wrote:On August 22 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 04:04 whereismymind wrote:
He wont stop producing results. It will be the same for him if he was playing at home or Mill house or EG, becuase he doesn't have to learn stuff to improve, he just experiments in his head. The only difference will be Milleniums $1000 per month salary versus $2500-3500 per month salary at EG.
Good luck man, you deserve it. I hear its more like +15k$ per month. I hope you're not delusional enough to believe that. They make $50-60k a year MAX... and I think I'm being generous there. Honestly most of you are probably not out of high school and don't have a clue about salaries in the real world... $15k/month = $180,000 / year. That's more than engineers with 20 years work experiences, on par with average doctors salaries, etc.. You really believe someone who plays a video game that ONLY contributes sponsor exposure makes THAT much money? Seriously, you people need to get a clue. You got no idea what you talking about. Stephano will get one of the world´s highest payed salaries for a Starcraft player. 15k$ per month isn't bad guess. I think it will be between 12-16k$ but we will see I'm sure EG will PR the shit out of his salary And BTW I'm a mechanical engineer I know exactly how much we make! I can guarantee you that Stephano will not make $15k per month. It's a horrible guess. Remember the WC3 teams when they paid their players enormous salaries for not that much prize money in return--they all died. Stephano might be one of the best foreigners in the world but $180k per year is way too much when you compute all the prize money and streaming money. There's probably money from publicity and sponsors, but even the most popular sc2 players won't make enough money to compensate for that big of a paycheck. Hell, I even doubt HuK even makes six figures. For a guy that makes at most $30k prize money per year, I doubt all the streaming and sponsor money is enough to justify six figures. true, he'll probably be on like $1000 a month tops imo, if that $1000 (~800€)? I know how much Socke and HasuObs earn (around) and if Stephano really get 1000$/month in his new contract, my head will explode. why you think that is too much or too little? I really don't think there is that much money in esports to pay someone anything close to approaching five figures and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise Let's say an example: Hasu earn 500$/month, imo stephano deserve more than double, rather triple or quadruple. Ofcourse i won't say how much they earn. Mana told in one of several interviews that he earn 13,5k yearly at mouz. I can say that because he made it public. doesn't matter how much he deserves, 13.5K a year for Mana sounds about right considering how big/small sc2 esports is, I reckon Stephano won't be on more than 30K a year and that is being generous
lol mememolly Stephano turned down Milleniums offer that was 8k$ dollars a month. I don't think you understand the amount of money EG is willing to pay him
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On August 22 2012 08:47 Blazinghand wrote:
It's too bad they had to part ways, but if this opens up a new era of awesome EGStephano, that's great! All good things must come to an end, if only to make way for more good things.
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When I saw EGStephano for some reason I wished EG partnered with LGIM instead of SlayerS so it could be like EGLGIMMVP.SK lol
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Wow people in this thread are really insane and agressive. Such a crazy shitstorm
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On August 22 2012 08:46 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 08:44 FaRess wrote:On August 22 2012 08:14 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:41 Dingodile wrote:On August 22 2012 07:32 mememolly wrote:On August 22 2012 07:26 yeeshdontjudgeme wrote:On August 22 2012 07:17 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 05:19 HazeInMotion wrote:On August 22 2012 04:05 Benjamin99 wrote:On August 22 2012 04:04 whereismymind wrote:
He wont stop producing results. It will be the same for him if he was playing at home or Mill house or EG, becuase he doesn't have to learn stuff to improve, he just experiments in his head. The only difference will be Milleniums $1000 per month salary versus $2500-3500 per month salary at EG.
Good luck man, you deserve it. I hear its more like +15k$ per month. I hope you're not delusional enough to believe that. They make $50-60k a year MAX... and I think I'm being generous there. Honestly most of you are probably not out of high school and don't have a clue about salaries in the real world... $15k/month = $180,000 / year. That's more than engineers with 20 years work experiences, on par with average doctors salaries, etc.. You really believe someone who plays a video game that ONLY contributes sponsor exposure makes THAT much money? Seriously, you people need to get a clue. You got no idea what you talking about. Stephano will get one of the world´s highest payed salaries for a Starcraft player. 15k$ per month isn't bad guess. I think it will be between 12-16k$ but we will see I'm sure EG will PR the shit out of his salary And BTW I'm a mechanical engineer I know exactly how much we make! I can guarantee you that Stephano will not make $15k per month. It's a horrible guess. Remember the WC3 teams when they paid their players enormous salaries for not that much prize money in return--they all died. Stephano might be one of the best foreigners in the world but $180k per year is way too much when you compute all the prize money and streaming money. There's probably money from publicity and sponsors, but even the most popular sc2 players won't make enough money to compensate for that big of a paycheck. Hell, I even doubt HuK even makes six figures. For a guy that makes at most $30k prize money per year, I doubt all the streaming and sponsor money is enough to justify six figures. true, he'll probably be on like $1000 a month tops imo, if that $1000 (~800€)? I know how much Socke and HasuObs earn (around) and if Stephano really get 1000$/month in his new contract, my head will explode. why you think that is too much or too little? I really don't think there is that much money in esports to pay someone anything close to approaching five figures and have seen no evidence to suggest otherwise do you realise how much shit you are saying with your numbers ? It's a fucking fact that he is making 1.5 K € right now in millenium, the source ? his fucking manager himself. And your guess is that he is going to get half of that tops ? got a source on that? like an actual quote or link maybe he'll make 3K euros a month maximum but people thinking he is making 15K are delusional imo, unless EG are insane
It was on the french millenium stream in front of 4k viewers, I'm sorry but I'm not bothering looking for a VOD of that on a website with 5 channels streaming from 10 AM to 3 AM.
I agree with the second part though 15K/ month is delusional and a number out of their arse.
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8K+/month is fucking ridiculous. I'd give my left nut to play games and get paid that much (+ the amounts of winnings from tournaments that he wins; Imagines if he wins WCS Championship *_*)
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On August 22 2012 08:51 mordk wrote:
Wow people in this thread are really insane and agressive. Such a crazy shitstorm
This is why EG is the greatest foreign team, and Stephano is the greatest foreigner.
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Yussss! EG is like player heaven
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On August 22 2012 08:43 Snijjer wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 07:53 Slardar wrote:This is my personal take on why EG gets a lot of flak, including from myself in this regard. Their business strategy just seems to be a monopoly on Western SC2 eSports. This isn't an issue for stabilized markets, scenes, but SC2 eSports is still very young. We need rivalries and competition, to foster the communities growth. Remember Liquid HuK vs EG IdrA? That was HUGE in our scene, until EG took that away from us. EG has no respect to other teams and the market, leaving teams crippled in their wake. (Mouz, Liquid, until replacements). Look at the future, they will be the kings of the rubble that is left of the market. Here are some interesting links that someone pointed me toward. http://www.myeg.net/stephanohttp://www.myeg.net/kas I seriously doubt the general public cares about what team players are on. Nestea has faced MVP in the GSL finals a couple times - did the fact that they were teammates decrease the entertainment, exposure or take away from their rivalry? I don't think so.
Yep, if a couple time equals zero time. Sounds funny but the two guys that had the most GSL titles never met in finals...
The only final with both players from the same team we had was DRG vs Genious.
And as a sidenote YES I care in what team my player is (FXO fighting!). In this case it matters even more because one of my favorite player goes for the only team I hate...
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On August 22 2012 08:37 Faust852 wrote:
Stephano did refuse a 8ke month salary from Mill. so I guess EG offer him more than that. 1k is nothing for him, that's what he earned per month this year
Source on this?
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