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On August 22 2012 03:02 mrtomjones wrote:
So you are saying that winnings which could make up over half of your earnings if you make six figures are not desirable enough to people like Huk(Who REALLY want to win) to motivate him to work hard? LOL.
That's exactly what i'm saying but with a "minor" diference. I don't think the winnings make up over half their earnings. Maybe 20 / 30% at most considering 1 tournament win.
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I'd like to see all faces of complainers, when Stephano wins a tournament being in EG. You would all shut up right there.
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On August 22 2012 03:04 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:03 solidONE wrote:On August 22 2012 02:42 NanoSC wrote:
So by people's logic, whenever a good player joins EG this weird curse is put on him where he suddenly doesn't get results. Well, he's still practicing, right? Just as he did at his old team? Or does EG tell their players not to practice to deliberately make their skill level decrease? Me, I bet they're using voodoo to curse their players. Seriously, I fear for people with this logic.
Taeja was hailed as one of SlayerS' most talented players. I bet if he joined EG he'd be lynched. But no, he joined Liquid and people rejoiced. Jinro was good once. He got into a long slump and never recovered. But he didn't go to EG, so no reason to hate on him, right? I really don't get you guys.
Do you really think that being over-compensated for what you're worth doesn't make you soft as a player? It's not some voodoo curse, it's people losing drive. That's why all the highly paid KESPA players suck oh wait
yeah after years of practice they got the salary they've achieved. and culturally it's completely different as is the environment. your post makes no sense. i said over-compensated not overpaid.
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On August 22 2012 03:04 Chriscras wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:03 solidONE wrote:On August 22 2012 02:42 NanoSC wrote:
So by people's logic, whenever a good player joins EG this weird curse is put on him where he suddenly doesn't get results. Well, he's still practicing, right? Just as he did at his old team? Or does EG tell their players not to practice to deliberately make their skill level decrease? Me, I bet they're using voodoo to curse their players. Seriously, I fear for people with this logic.
Taeja was hailed as one of SlayerS' most talented players. I bet if he joined EG he'd be lynched. But no, he joined Liquid and people rejoiced. Jinro was good once. He got into a long slump and never recovered. But he didn't go to EG, so no reason to hate on him, right? I really don't get you guys.
Do you really think that being over-compensated for what you're worth doesn't make you soft as a player? It's not some voodoo curse, it's people losing drive. That's why all the highly paid KESPA players suck oh wait
... wrong. They have to do the time. They treat it like an actual job. Mindsets, practice schedules, coaches. Come on now.
For pete's sake.
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On August 22 2012 02:59 torm3ntin wrote:
The salary is so high that players don't feel the urge to win tournaments. That hapenned to Idra, to Huk and probably will happen to Stephano and Thorzain. And there is nothing wrong with that as long as EG doesn't think it's wrong since it's their players and their money.
I do understand they keeping incontrol. He has a natural talent to bring attention to the team, he is such a nice guy.
But then u look at Machine, Lzgamer and they have been with EG forever and never brought any attention to the team, neither results. That's probably why the new players don't get hunger for wins. They look at the team and the guys that have been there for so long and think if they would ever get kicked from the team with guys like machine and lzgamer.
I like how you know their salaries and assume that LZgamer and Machine are paid tons of money. Living at the team house is not a huge expense and they all pay for their own food. I also like how you assume it makes people lazy. Getting paid more has never made me work less, but I guess you work by different rules.
And if you don't understand why they keep Incontrol, you don't know how PR works or coaching works. Seriously, team captians are rarely the best players on the field. They are the ones who keep the other player's heads in the game.
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On August 22 2012 02:54 Cloud9157 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 02:12 Zealos wrote:On August 22 2012 01:56 Cloud9157 wrote:On August 22 2012 01:48 mrtomjones wrote:On August 22 2012 00:02 Godwrath wrote:On August 22 2012 00:00 seoul_kiM wrote:
Is it really unfathomable to you ignorant ingrates that someone who has worked so hard go take a better offer? Huh ? Best offer is subjective. If his choice won't make him grow as a player, i don't see why people would keep rooting for him as a player. That's funny because EG gives it's players a ton of resources to improve as players and takes them all over the world. The only possible thing that could be a negative playing wise of being on EG is having to do sponsor type work which might give you less practice time. But considering Stephano isnt the type to do 12 hour days I'd guess it wouldnt hurt him. Look how much good that did Thorzain+Huk. Oh EG... Silly team that tries to buy the successful players. What is this post!?!! Do people not think anymore. Thorzain hasn't even been in EG long, and his skill level certainly hasn't deteriorated since joining. Huk's slump didn't start till long after joining EG, so that point is pretty damn irrelevant too. Why isn't anyone complaining about the Liquid curse because Zenio hasn't really performed recently? It's just stupid guys, Stephano will continue to perform great, regardless of his team. Thorzain wins a tournament, joins EG, and then does nothing for Several months. He qualifies for TSL only to get demolished by Hasuobs(very underrated EU Protoss granted) 3-0 in the first round. Huk is one of the only non-Koreans to win an mlg excluding Naniwa winning Dallas, signs with EG, and then falls off the face of the Earth. Literally, I haven't heard any notable achievement he has accomplished since joining EG. Liquid is at least more consistent. Zenio was already a Code A Zerg player that turned hot AFTER joining Liquid. But he did just that: got hot, and was on a nice streak, before crashing back down. Thorzain and Huk were easily two of the top foreigners before joining EG. Now they're pretty much nothing.
Eh? Zenio was at best the absolute bottom ring of code S and after joining liquid he finally got ejected from code S and from the GSL by hyun. I don't recall any hot streaks he was consistently bottom tier code S and nothing else for the entirety of his career except IEM Kiev I guess.
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I swear if dirty cash ruins this one too...
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[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 03:07 Fusilero wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 02:54 Cloud9157 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 02:12 Zealos wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 01:56 Cloud9157 wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 01:48 mrtomjones wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 00:02 Godwrath wrote:
[QUOTE]On August 22 2012 00:00 seoul_kiM wrote:
Is it really unfathomable to you ignorant ingrates that someone who has worked so hard go take a better offer?[/QUOTE]
Huh ? Best offer is subjective. If his choice won't make him grow as a player, i don't see why people would keep rooting for him as a player.
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That's funny because EG gives it's players a ton of resources to improve as players and takes them all over the world. The only possible thing that could be a negative playing wise of being on EG is having to do sponsor type work which might give you less practice time. But considering Stephano isnt the type to do 12 hour days I'd guess it wouldnt hurt him.[/QUOTE]
Look how much good that did Thorzain+Huk.
Oh EG... Silly team that tries to buy the successful players. [/QUOTE]
Liquid is at least more consistent. Zenio was already a Code A Zerg player that turned hot AFTER joining Liquid. But he did just that: got hot, and was on a nice streak, before crashing back down. Thorzain and Huk were easily two of the top foreigners before joining EG. Now they're pretty much nothing.[/QUOTE]
Eh? Zenio was at best the absolute bottom ring of code S and after joining liquid he finally got ejected from code S and from the GSL by hyun. I don't recall any hot streaks he was consistently bottom tier code S and nothing else for the entirety of his career except IEM Kiev I guess.[/QUOTE]
winner of wcs swededn is nothing ok lol, and zenio was in code s before joining liquid?
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He was in code S since the very start, never did anything except beating MVP and byun in July which I guess was pretty good.
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On August 22 2012 03:02 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 02:50 Otolia wrote:On August 22 2012 02:44 Plansix wrote:On August 22 2012 02:39 Doodsmack wrote:
Would the people hopping on the EG hate bandwagon please stop embarrassing yourselves and the community. You are contributing to the bad side/vocal minority of the community that everyone always laments. If you're dishing out general EG criticism and talking about the so-called curse in this thread, then make no mistake, you're a drama queen. You're inserting negativity into a thread where it's off topic. I know it might seem trendy to hate EG, and you might think it's fun to throw gas on a drama fire, but maybe be a little more mature with your posts. Actually why don't you just get the fuck out of the thread and go play SC2, the community would be better off. Agreed. Most of us are waiting to see how EG does at MLG, but I guess the drama queens need something to do until then. Like every MLG people expect a lot from them and each time they have mixed results. For a team that spends its time running around telling the world they consider themselves as the best, it's a little bit disappointing. Mix results like Team Liquid, complexity and every other non-korean team gets. EG is not special, they lose to koreans too. Team Liquid has a number of European players who did not do well in WCS Europe. But EG took second place.
DeMusliM took second place at the  WCS 2012 UK Nationals the 2012 Battle.net European Championship has yet to be played.
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On August 22 2012 03:07 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 02:59 torm3ntin wrote:
The salary is so high that players don't feel the urge to win tournaments. That hapenned to Idra, to Huk and probably will happen to Stephano and Thorzain. And there is nothing wrong with that as long as EG doesn't think it's wrong since it's their players and their money.
I do understand they keeping incontrol. He has a natural talent to bring attention to the team, he is such a nice guy.
But then u look at Machine, Lzgamer and they have been with EG forever and never brought any attention to the team, neither results. That's probably why the new players don't get hunger for wins. They look at the team and the guys that have been there for so long and think if they would ever get kicked from the team with guys like machine and lzgamer. I like how you know their salaries and assume that LZgamer and Machine are paid tons of money. Living at the team house is not a huge expense and they all pay for their own food. I also like how you assume it makes people lazy. Getting paid more has never made me work less, but I guess you work by different rules. And if you don't understand why they keep Incontrol, you don't know how PR works or coaching works. Seriously, team captians are rarely the best players on the field. They are the ones who keep the other player's heads in the game.
Well we are actually talking about kids earning to play games so yeah i assume they do get lazy as soon as they see more money than what they actually dreamed off.
and you actually missread because i said the only one i do understand why they keep in the house is Incontrol exactly for being the good guy he is.
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Thank god csgo is gonna jumpstart cs once again, I think im jumping off this sc2 ship for good. This community is very ignorant.
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On August 22 2012 03:14 stratmatt wrote:
Thank god csgo is gonna jumpstart cs once again, I think im jumping off this sc2 ship for good. This community is very ignorant.
The irony in this statement...
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There's no denying in that EG is doing SOMETHING wrong, I subscribe to the theory that after getting such sweet deals players don't feel like needing to work hard in their game anymore, after all, they already accomplished what they wanted.
Stephano already has intentions of leaving pro gaming in a year and so does thorzain so why would they waste their time working for earnings (prize money) they don't need anymore.
But EG probably doesn't care about this since somehow they still make money, despite all.
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On August 22 2012 03:15 KarlKaliente wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 03:14 stratmatt wrote:
Thank god csgo is gonna jumpstart cs once again, I think im jumping off this sc2 ship for good. This community is very ignorant. The irony in this statement...
That's fair, but cs deserves teams like eg way more than sc2 does.
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On August 21 2012 21:07 valaki wrote:Show nested quote +On August 21 2012 21:04 justiceknight wrote:
seriously why EG?? Alot of players who are good in the past and then join EG, we already know what happened to them... This, and inb4 "b-but Puma and Thorzain are s-still g-good! And don't forget a-about Idra guys, he has the p-potential to take down e-everyone in the w-world!!!4"
Wow, I really respect the courage it took to post this opinion. I hope I can grow up to be like you some day.
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On August 22 2012 03:06 Zythus wrote:
I'd like to see all faces of complainers, when Stephano wins a tournament being in EG. You would all shut up right there.
Puma won stuff at the start of being in EG too. It takes a while for the slump to kick in.
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On August 22 2012 03:14 stratmatt wrote:
Thank god csgo is gonna jumpstart cs once again, I think im jumping off this sc2 ship for good. This community is very ignorant.
See ya, I think it's funny that you think it would be any different there.
Otalio with regards to those results lets look at other results from other countries while we're at it. Question: Do you honestly think Scarlett is the best player in Canada at the moment?
Take those results with a grain of salt.
They aren't as important as people make them out to be especially the Swedish ones with all the star power and you can make valid reasons as to why Naniwa isn't playing so well in that type of format after being in the GSL for the last while.
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i honestly hope that some korean team is gonna take stephano.
if he joins EG he will end like huk, jyp and puma.
affected by the EG curse sucking every day a little bit more and more.
but on the other hand, he shouldnt care at all, take 1 year massive salary from EG and then retire and go back to study as he already mentioned in the past.
ps: i like the comment that 2GD gave to incontroll on the other tourney lately, buy every good player and hope that EG can win one tourney some time :D
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Would have liked it if Millenium had been able to keep Stephano. Wouldn't like to see all the best foreigners on the same team. Glad to see he will be earning the fat dollars though. Makes it more likely to see him around for another year.
Still, I hope Stephano and EG can have a good relationship (just gonna assume its them). In terms of mentality and philosophy the two seem quite different. Stephano reciting all the sponsors at every opportunity is gonna feel weird too. I hope he can continue to be a great source of amusement for me, pretty sure he will manage.
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