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On August 22 2012 01:47 Shadowcloak wrote:
so now its up to ignorant fanboy's to cheer for him after he starts to suck like the rest.
GOOOOOOOOO EGphano may your decline be stronk.
P.S really guys stop denying the obvious when it comes'to EG players and results
Sweet post, worth making.
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I don't understand what people are talking about by "EG Curse??" The only player to really have fallen off after he joined EG was HuK and that took about a half a year to really start. ThorZaIN is still good. PuMa is deifnitely not as good as he was back in 2011, but he's still posting good results. IdrA only started slumping after a year and half being in EG so he doesn't count. JYP is slowly improving (he didn't have super impressive results to begin with). DeMusliM hasn't really changed much, he's still a force but hasn't improved drastically. Let's not talk about iNcontroL, Machine, and the rest, etc. They were already struggling, I doubt being on another team would change that. Essentially, there is no "EG Curse."
EG House is certainly not a "frat house." I can't believe people believe a guy who hasn't even stepped inside the EG House vs. people who actually lived there. Less than impressive results doesn't mean lack of practice, it means some peoplea aren't good enough.
I swear the SC2 community appals me sometimes. Hopping on every single flame wagon they see without looking at the facts.
Good luck to Stephano. It's sad that he isn't on another team because I, like most, would like better distribution of star players. Nonetheless, I hope he does well.
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To be honest, I think it would be spectacular if Stephano actually joined SK; they've obviously had some success with MC, so I think they could feel open to someone, especially someone as successful as Stephano.
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inb4 he joins Eclypsia and everyone was trolled :D
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On August 22 2012 01:41 Bedrock wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:37 testthewest wrote:On August 22 2012 01:23 DoeniDon wrote:On August 22 2012 01:16 testthewest wrote:On August 22 2012 01:08 DoeniDon wrote:On August 22 2012 01:00 testthewest wrote:
Does the sponsors of EG ever look into the community and try to find out, if EG is really a good advertising media?
EG reputation is bad, who would really want to be associated with them?
If Stephano goes EG, I'll will lose another favorite player. Everyone would want to be associated with EG. They're the team that's doing the best job of getting their name out there. For comparison: How many sponsors of EG can you name, and how many of Millenium can you name (without checking Liquipedia)? Almost all of their players are known throughout the community, i.e Idra, incontrol, Huk, Thorzain. Sponsors want to have their product and name known, and EG is probably the best team for that kind of thing. To be honest: I can't name any sponsors, since I'm not sure which of the sponsors like Razor is sponsoring which team. But even thou their players are known, I don't follow any of those anymore. They suck. They started sucking since they joined EG. And if I ever knew a sponsor that is exclusively sponsoring EG, it would lessen the probability I buy something from them. Compare that to TLAF: They seem sympatic to me for their engagement with Liquid. Basically companies should do some research about the teams the sponsor....they might notice something. Being well known as a villain isn't that good if you want to sell something. Bought players achievements since joining EG: PuMa: IEM S6 Cologne, NASL S2, 2nd at Dreamhack Winter and IEM S6 WC, 3rd at IEM Guangzhou and ASUS ROG Winter HuK: MLG Orlando, 3rd MLG Winter Arena, 4th MLG Winter Championship JYP didn't really have results in the first place, but has performed well in some tournaments. Thorzain didn't bomb out in Code A/S and has only played one tournament since on EG. Doesn't seem too bad to me? But it is. Tell me how many results those players got before they joined, how many directly afterwards and how many after they have stayed with EG for more than 6 month. Perhaps I'm wrong, still it feels like they all declined massivly. It's okay, just keep watching their performance. Keep following all of the EG players. The plan is working, whether they succeed or not your eyes are directly on their sponsors. BTW, I hope EG does land Stephano. They both deserve the best.
I don't watch them, because they are out of any tournament in no time.
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On August 22 2012 01:48 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:02 Godwrath wrote:On August 22 2012 00:00 seoul_kiM wrote:
Is it really unfathomable to you ignorant ingrates that someone who has worked so hard go take a better offer? Huh ? Best offer is subjective. If his choice won't make him grow as a player, i don't see why people would keep rooting for him as a player. That's funny because EG gives it's players a ton of resources to improve as players and takes them all over the world. The only possible thing that could be a negative playing wise of being on EG is having to do sponsor type work which might give you less practice time. But considering Stephano isnt the type to do 12 hour days I'd guess it wouldnt hurt him.
That's the only reason I would never sign a player of his calibre.
There are very few talents out there who can get away with being lazy and the advertising/shows could hamper a training schedule a little bit.
It only takes a day for a shoot though, so it really isn't that much of a hassle but doing all those shows on a regular basis or casting meh.
Streaming isn't ideal practice either but hey it brings money in.
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It has nothing to do with EG its the money. People forget all these guys are young. Lets forget the six figure salaries. Lets say you get 60k a year. Your a teen or early twenties and you got that money in your pocket? Oh you say the practice has fallen off huh imagine that.
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Geoff Robinson @EGiNcontroL
Sees cool thread about Stephano maybe joining EG. Opens thread. Closes thread. Apparently signing champions has become a bad thing.. ok. ._.
From Geoff tweet. I totally agree with it.
I really love to see (if everythings go ok) Stephano playing under EG banner. They are best team ever, with personalities like Geoff who done to esports more than most of teams together, and IdrA - what would be S2 scene without him? And now, best foreigner joins EG. Thats really amazing.
And to all sponsor haters - for me it works this way - I see at Geoff stream that he uses steelseries stuff (I was using some random stuff before) . Im starting to reading reviews of it, and if it has good opinion and it suits me - im going to buy it - and im twice happy - I have really good gear (which I like a lot) and I'm supporting (maybe not in direct way, but still) my favourite SC2. Is it bad?
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On August 22 2012 01:48 mrtomjones wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 00:02 Godwrath wrote:On August 22 2012 00:00 seoul_kiM wrote:
Is it really unfathomable to you ignorant ingrates that someone who has worked so hard go take a better offer? Huh ? Best offer is subjective. If his choice won't make him grow as a player, i don't see why people would keep rooting for him as a player. That's funny because EG gives it's players a ton of resources to improve as players and takes them all over the world. The only possible thing that could be a negative playing wise of being on EG is having to do sponsor type work which might give you less practice time. But considering Stephano isnt the type to do 12 hour days I'd guess it wouldnt hurt him.
Look how much good that did Thorzain+Huk.
Oh EG... Silly team that tries to buy the successful players.
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If this were any other sport, this would have to be viewed as tampering and EG would be penalized/have to give up compensation. I'm all for the player getting the best deal he can. I simply wonder how teams feel about it.
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If i was Stephano i'd love to join EGSilSol  Just imagine what resources he can get by joining them. Salary wise is probably better also and for the tournaments all over they could send him pretty much everywhere they want to. A good house which Stephano already likes and hes been there. I just can't imagine Stephano saying No to EG at this state IF they want Stephano.
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Hot off the presses!
White Castle @WhiteCastle
Good Luck @EvilGeniuses at #MLG this weekend! @MLGSundance @SirScoots
It seems EG has bought Stephano with delicious mini-hamburgers. Those delicious, delicious American hamburgers.
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United States23455 Posts
Make deal with Millennium.
FINALLY get Stephano to Korea, but doesn't play in GSTL.
He loves it there, leaves, and joins EG.
Welp, at least we get ForGG.
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Would be so cool if it turns out to be a kespa team ;D Most likely SK or EG.. but all options are just fuckin awesome :D
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On August 22 2012 01:07 PourquoiPas wrote:
Didn't Stephano tweet racist comments to jews?
This.
Definitely Stephano will become a shitstorm magnet now that he's in EG.
Culturally he's soooo far from american's standards and conventions. Further than that: He just doesn't understands what a "convention" is.
The sad part is that in EG he WILL have to repress his weird mix of awkward/ bold/ ambiguous/ naive/ fresh/ provocative and that is the cement of his personality and his unique playstyle and talent. His "X" factor.
He's too young to weight how a social and cultural environement that understands and therefore forgives your shortcomings and your weaknesses is important to professional growth and happiness.
My prediction is:
He will join EG.
He will be forced to not be himself.
He will become unhappy.
He will begin to suck at SC2.
He will leave the scene.
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I wish the best for Stephano! I really really hope joins EG. This is what esports need.
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On August 22 2012 01:47 Interstellar wrote:
I can understand all the "another player down the shitter" comments. Thorzain didn't exactly improve under EG. Nor did JYP. I don't remember the last time I saw an EG player win a major tournament or make it to the finals of GSL. But I guess go where the money is right?
The term "good for esports" is sorta cliche, but regardless of what their (albeit fickle) results are from EG, they are improving the SCII scene by throwing money into it. Players names will rise and fall. Remember last year around this time when Leenock was considered the best Zerg player by some people? This influx of money into the scene allows the scene to grow. Since SCII is relatively young, some of the business models will collapse and some will thrive (like EG). If players want to practice, they will. You can't always blame the team, they are providing an environment for the players. Also, keep it in perspective that the American (yes, EG is an American-based team) culture is less strict on that sort of thing than the Korean culture.
So while joining EG may have hurt some players in the short-run (maybe like HuK), it improves the community and the business side of eSports, and thus it is necessary.
Also I saw a comment that said that it was "unfair" that EG was signing all these players. Is it really unfair to have the best management? The Yankees and Lakers have been doing this long before eSports existed. Kespa did this too (a little bit differently, but close enough) in BW. Players change teams, contracts change, but as long as more sponsers dwelve into the SCII community, it benefits us as a whole.
That being said, I hope to see Stephano do well, regardless of where he goes. He's a very likeable person.
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EG are not delivering results but they are still the n1 team in the USA. For some reason the growth of new talent is choking over there and EG doesnt have to care about results. They have incontrol who gets to cast and some of their players manages to atleast qualify for tournaments, if not get seeded. USA is all about capitalist free market etc but sadly EG has monopoly on sc2 in the USA. EG would be in trouble if some competition would arise in the USA.
Cant blame Stephano thou. He is extremely talented, but to take that very last step to become the best player, you need to put in more effort and hard work than you ever have or thought you ever needed. I think Stephano knows this and he is not willing to do it, especially not now when he already has a huge (probably) contract extended his way. He understands that he is at his peak, and considering those circumstances he is doing the smart thing. I just hope EG doesnt expect him to turn in to a bonjwa.
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On August 22 2012 02:00 GreyMasta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 22 2012 01:07 PourquoiPas wrote:
Didn't Stephano tweet racist comments to jews? This. Definitely Stephano will become a shitstorm magnet now that he's in EG. Culturally he's soooo far from american's standards and conventions. More than that, he just doesn't understands what "convention" means. The sad part is that in EG he WILL have to repress his weird mix of awkward/ bold/ ambiguous/ naive/ fresh/ provocative and that is the cement of his personality and his uniqueness. His "special" factor. He's too young to weight how a social and cultural environement that understands therefore and forgives your shortcomings and your weaknesses is important to professional growth. My predictions is that: He will join EG. He will be forced to not be himself. He will become unhappy. He will begin to suck at SC2. He will leave the scene.
Why would you say something like that? That's just dumb imo.
"If Stephano joins EG he will get bad at SC2 and unhappy?" Which player got unhappy joining EG?
Which player got forced to be someone else when they joined EG? Which player LEFT the scene after joining EG? Axslav is in a new team isn't he?
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People talking about EG and results? O.o
The only people on Liquid getting results are Taeja and Hero. Only people in Complexity getting results are the Koreans, Only people in Millenium getting results (lets not count stephano for this sake) is ForGG. Only people getting results in MVP is... anyone? ROOT, if you consider that a team, got nothing. Mouz isn't doing very much either. Empire has their moments, but they're not winning anything either.
It's not like EG is the only team not doing spectacular. And even then, they actually are doing well. They're not winning, but they're certainly not doing the worst.
This isn't to say anything about Liquid or anything, I love most of their players in terms of personality, but they're certainly not very good (asides from the 2 I named. I don't consider Zenio to be very talented either).
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