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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 01:50:33
August 14 2012 01:50 GMT
#281
On August 14 2012 10:49 Fishgle wrote:
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On August 14 2012 10:47 Horseballs wrote:
That doesn't look or feel like mech at all.

agree 100%. he could have just made B.Hellions and BoxRobots, and it would have played out like a less micro-intensive bio.

Warhounds are basically bigger Marauders ._.
EDIT: with less micro
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Pobearo
Profile Joined August 2009
United States351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 01:51:31
August 14 2012 01:50 GMT
#282
I knew once I saw the mass recall of one stalker and one sentry that I was in for a big ol' pile of poop.

Oracles just look stupid. Stupid, stupid unit.
Neurosis
Profile Joined October 2010
United States893 Posts
August 14 2012 01:50 GMT
#283
On August 14 2012 10:37 Sroobz wrote:
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On August 14 2012 10:35 FinestHour wrote:
i like how day9 and rob simpson absolutely shit their pants when the oracle entombs two mineral lines
clicking twice is extremely difficult


Literally retarded. Literally.


Indeed. Also the mothership core looks beyond OP.
Sroobz
Profile Joined December 2011
United States1377 Posts
August 14 2012 01:50 GMT
#284
On August 14 2012 10:49 Fishgle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:47 Horseballs wrote:
That doesn't look or feel like mech at all.

agree 100%. he could have just made B.Hellions and BoxRobots, and it would have played out like a less micro-intensive bio.



WTF IS THIS. Mech is about positional play. Slow and precise. None of this bullshit. You fucked up blizzard. So shitty.
Flash---Taeja---Mvp---Byun---DRG
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 14 2012 01:51 GMT
#285
On August 14 2012 10:49 trifecta wrote:
Yeah, they need to invite some pros to do these things. Hard to tell how it's going to shake out without pros playing. SC2 devs should be forced to watch every major tournament VOD b/c it doesn't seem like they're watching/watching the same game.

Watch the recent David Kim interview, they watch all the major tournaments.
Beastyqt
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Serbia516 Posts
August 14 2012 01:51 GMT
#286
On August 14 2012 10:47 Sroobz wrote:
My god. The part at 13:50. Are we watching bronze players? Walking unsieged maxed 200/200 through the toss base. 10 seconds go by. Protoss doesnt attack. Terran finally sieges in between 2 bases on the most random spot. Toss attack literally the second terran sieges. WTF is this rofl


They are trying to show how mech is viable in hots by making best possible engagements for terran.

As in.... protoss attacking with 15 zealots up the ramp where there are 15 battle helions, making mass stalker vs mass warhound and siege tanks, making 1 immortal 0 archons whole game, no colossus to kill battle helions so that zealots can roll over tanks. I like widow mines tho, warhound seems and looks awful, recall thing is op.
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QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-14 01:52:04
August 14 2012 01:51 GMT
#287
Holy shit, Protoss looks awful!

Granted the Protoss player played awful. But if Play HOTS means make Stargate units, that is just... lol.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
August 14 2012 01:53 GMT
#288
On August 14 2012 10:48 Plexa wrote:
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On August 14 2012 10:44 AndAgain wrote:
On August 14 2012 10:41 Plexa wrote:
There are no words to describe how underwhelmed I am.


How can you talk about how whelmed you are without seeing actually good, experienced players play it.

If you can tell me one redeeming feature of this BR I will be impressed.


I think a lot of interesting things can be done with mothership core, oracle, and tempest. We just haven't seen it in that game because of the low level of play.

BW would look like garbage too if it were played by a couple of bad players without a developed metagame.
All your teeth should fall out and hair should grow in their place!
nAgeDitto
Profile Joined April 2011
United States428 Posts
August 14 2012 01:53 GMT
#289
Not that exciting, Mech in the video feels like its not really 'mech'. Battle helions/ Warhounds give too much of a support for the tanks that catching them off guard isnt really ' punishing enough.'


Although I was excited to see DaKim lose in a BR. (No hate to david, just noticed that it was the first time he lost... as far as I know)
ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
August 14 2012 01:53 GMT
#290
On August 14 2012 10:51 QTIP. wrote:
Holy shit, Protoss looks awful!

Granted the Protoss player played awful. But if Play HOTS means make Stargate units, that is just... lol.


the tempest seems interesting... you can lay siege to a terran/zerg like terran does in TvT.... just camp with your army under the tempest and slowly pull the opp appart :D!
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Fishgle
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United States2174 Posts
August 14 2012 01:53 GMT
#291
On August 14 2012 10:50 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:49 Fishgle wrote:
On August 14 2012 10:47 Horseballs wrote:
That doesn't look or feel like mech at all.

agree 100%. he could have just made B.Hellions and BoxRobots, and it would have played out like a less micro-intensive bio.

Warhounds are basically bigger Marauders ._.
EDIT: with less micro

Bio :: marines for the zealots, marauders for the stalkers
Mech:: BHellions for Zealots, Boxxys for the Stalkers

Bio: requires micro because theyre squishy
Mech: requires no micro because the have tons of HP

Bio: fast building, small, cheap units means you need lots of production and good macro
Mech: slow building, heavy in supply units mean you dont need to worry about macro
aka ChillyGonzalo / GnozL
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
August 14 2012 01:54 GMT
#292
On August 14 2012 10:51 QTIP. wrote:
Holy shit, Protoss looks awful!

Granted the Protoss player played awful. But if Play HOTS means make Stargate units, that is just... lol.

He only made Stargate units to show them off. Against Terran Stargate play is really unlikely to be that prevalent. Blizzard definitely wants the Tempest to be the go-to unit against Zerg late-game though. The Mothership Core looks insane for Protoss though, it's so ridiculously versatile.
Baio
Profile Joined March 2012
112 Posts
August 14 2012 01:54 GMT
#293
Do you guys still remember the Day9 criticism? This should bring it right back. My god is Day9 a hoe.......

User was warned for this post
JeanLuc
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada377 Posts
August 14 2012 01:54 GMT
#294
On August 14 2012 10:48 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:44 AndAgain wrote:
On August 14 2012 10:41 Plexa wrote:
There are no words to describe how underwhelmed I am.


How can you talk about how whelmed you are without seeing actually good, experienced players play it.

If you can tell me one redeeming feature of this BR I will be impressed.


Out of curiousity, do you dislike the way the game is being demoed or (I'm guessing) the game itself.
If you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth-- you don't deserve to wear that uniform
NeMeSiS3
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Canada2972 Posts
August 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#295
That fucking battle report was the worst thing I've ever seen... Oracle, zero micro pure damage... Tempest, 22 range WHAT THE FUCK lol WHAT IN THE FUCK... sorry one more time, WHATTTT THE FUCK. Then the motership core shoots as far(if not farther) than a seige tank and does 60 damage.... Someone needs to smack those idiots, jesus christ...
FoTG fighting!
trifecta
Profile Joined April 2010
United States6795 Posts
August 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#296
On August 14 2012 10:53 ntssauce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:51 QTIP. wrote:
Holy shit, Protoss looks awful!

Granted the Protoss player played awful. But if Play HOTS means make Stargate units, that is just... lol.


the tempest seems interesting... you can lay siege to a terran/zerg like terran does in TvT.... just camp with your army under the tempest and slowly pull the opp appart :D!


so now toss has their broodlord
Horseballs
Profile Joined July 2011
United States721 Posts
August 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#297
I mean, holy shit, all of the terran additions are horrible. Literally horrible. We already have marine marauder, we don't need robot marine marauder. Widow mines look to be utterly useless. They could have just added spider mines to hellions and I would have been thrilled. Now it looks like a C&C game that I want no part of. Everything just looks wrong.
Glurkenspurk
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1915 Posts
August 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#298
On August 14 2012 10:53 AndAgain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:48 Plexa wrote:
On August 14 2012 10:44 AndAgain wrote:
On August 14 2012 10:41 Plexa wrote:
There are no words to describe how underwhelmed I am.


How can you talk about how whelmed you are without seeing actually good, experienced players play it.

If you can tell me one redeeming feature of this BR I will be impressed.


I think a lot of interesting things can be done with mothership core, oracle, and tempest. We just haven't seen it in that game because of the low level of play.

BW would look like garbage too if it were played by a couple of bad players without a developed metagame.


Go back and watch 2000-2003 era BW. It's still fun as hell. Even if the players have bad macro and less refined builds.
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
August 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#299
Those Tempests look like poop. I'd rather proxy Nexus rush every game than build those shits.
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland25107 Posts
August 14 2012 01:55 GMT
#300
On August 14 2012 10:48 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2012 10:44 AndAgain wrote:
On August 14 2012 10:41 Plexa wrote:
There are no words to describe how underwhelmed I am.


How can you talk about how whelmed you are without seeing actually good, experienced players play it.

If you can tell me one redeeming feature of this BR I will be impressed.

Hm, I can try. I think the Tempest is kind of reasonably interesting if it's done correctly, having a kind of unique role as a really long range sniper, I'm thinking of it's potential to chip away at Brood balls and stuff. Also I guess, perhaps the Beta will showcase a less ridiculous build of the game.

Anyhow what I dislike.

1. Mothership core comes far, far too early for what it apparently does. Goodbye pressuring Protoss in the early game. I essentially hate anything that basically gives you a free, blind pass to transition to the mid/lategame after taking an early expansion. This seems to serve like the buffed Queen, but even more potent.
2. Oracle was a cool idea, I get what they were thinking and I like some of its utility (i.e the cloaking field thing). It's role as a harassment unit just doesn't really mesh with me though, it's the equivalent of injecting for Zergs, nothing interesting or strategically interesting
3. New Terran mech is, retarded. Protoss' old compositions of choice in dealing with mech, i.e upgraded chargelots and immortals, with archons just melts, absolutely melts. There is no positional nuance to it either, part of the beauty and challenge of well executed mech.

Fucking hell.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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