Please stop with the jokes/posts that speculate something sexual or scandalous is at play here. They do not contribute to discussion and are generally of very poor taste.
MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.
Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
Wait, people are considering winning Super Tourney a GSL win?
When the hell did that happen?
Polt has never won a GSL proper, WC/Super Tourney/Blizzcup are side tournaments that lacked the seriousness and prep time that GSL proper has... right?
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
This might be true a year, or even 6 month ago. But now there isn't much "easy" foreign money to be had. Every tournament with decent prize pool have multiple Code S caliber players. Different skill maybe, since most foreign tournaments are weekend arena where more provision / stamina is required rather than GSL where preparation means alot more.
A weekend for $10,000 against multiple code S caliber players, or 2 months for $40,000 against 100% code S players who have all been training specifically for you, and if you aren't in the top 25% overall you may not even be eligible to compete again for another 2 months?
The amount of time and effort invested per dollar for GSL is far beyond any weekend event.
On July 18 2012 00:33 MVega wrote: Have to say all the "It's Jessica/Eve related or at least related to a 'girl'" is pretty sickening. :/ Misogyny ftl.
Most sports teams / coaches have rules when it comes to girls. How is it misogynistic to speculate that that is one of the areas MMA might find himself in atm?
You're comparing things that can't even be compared. As you alluded to in a later post you know part of why those rules exist for some physical sports or why athletes generally set those limitations on themselves. For the most part though that kind of thing only applies around championship time. Have you read the thread? You haven't seen all the extremely misogynistic comments thrown around in it? It's sickening.
Notice how Eve isn't mentioned in the article? If there was something between Eve and MMA and it was frowned on by the team both of them would be in the dog house, but it's just MMA. So logically, from a business perspective, if it in any way involved Eve it would be because MMA did something sleazy and sexually harrassed her. It's weird though that people in the thread who bring up Eve/Jessica don't consider that possibility, it's mostly just "lulz womenz dramaz lulz" or "He tried to timing attack Eve's natural but she was turtling lulz" and other bullshit.
Or, they might have a thing for each other (thought it was pretty established that Eve was an MMA fangirl before she joined SlayerS?) and there is simply a rule against teammates seeing each other, similar to rules in certain workplaces.
You're assuming the worst. Some aren't. Until anything clearer is revealed it's all speculation.
People who find sexual innuendos funny =/= people who find sexual harassment funny.
EDIT: And as far as I know Eve doesn't live in the team house.
No, I'm not assuming anything. I'm not the one assuming that Eve is involved. I'm just telling you that if Eve was involved and it wasn't a sexual harrassment kind of deal, she'd be in the dog house too, but she's not. If it were a simple matter of there being a rule of no relationships between teammates she would be. I also didn't say that she lived in the team house, "in the dog house" is an expression meaning "in trouble." - There isn't an actual dog house that people are sent to when they misbehave.
Joking about sexual harrassment isn't funny. Joking about women casuing drama, not being able to think rationally, belonging in the kitchen, etc also isn't funny. It's disgusting.
As for what really happened I have no way of knowing, and neither does anyone outside of SlayerS really at this point. Which was a main part of my original point in that assuming that it's because of Eve/Jessica being "emotional" over a vast number of other things that could have happened is just wrong.
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
This might be true a year, or even 6 month ago. But now there isn't much "easy" foreign money to be had. Every tournament with decent prize pool have multiple Code S caliber players. Different skill maybe, since most foreign tournaments are weekend arena where more provision / stamina is required rather than GSL where preparation means alot more.
A weekend for $10,000 against multiple code S caliber players, or 2 months for $40,000 against 100% code S players who have all been training specifically for you, and if you aren't in the top 25% overall you may not even be eligible to compete again for another 2 months?
The amount of time and effort invested per dollar for GSL is far beyond any weekend event.
Yeah that's def true, GSL is harder than foreign tournaments, I think everyone agree on that. But there is nothing "easy" about beating a queue of players, including multiple Code S, over 72 hours. Often there are as many, and maybe more games played in the foreign tournaments, just over a short period of time rather than dragged out over couple of months. As I said, different setting, different skill.
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
This might be true a year, or even 6 month ago. But now there isn't much "easy" foreign money to be had. Every tournament with decent prize pool have multiple Code S caliber players. Different skill maybe, since most foreign tournaments are weekend arena where more provision / stamina is required rather than GSL where preparation means alot more.
A weekend for $10,000 against multiple code S caliber players, or 2 months for $40,000 against 100% code S players who have all been training specifically for you, and if you aren't in the top 25% overall you may not even be eligible to compete again for another 2 months?
The amount of time and effort invested per dollar for GSL is far beyond any weekend event.
Yeah that's def true, GSL is harder than foreign tournaments, I think everyone agree on that. But there is nothing "easy" about beating a queue of players, including multiple Code S, over 72 hours.
Not easy, easier. GSL is a much larger investment for a return that isn't proportional.
Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
Wait, people are considering winning Super Tourney a GSL win?
When the hell did that happen?
Polt has never won a GSL proper, WC/Super Tourney/Blizzcup are side tournaments that lacked the seriousness and prep time that GSL proper has... right?
The GSL Super Tournament IS a GSL win. Polt never won Code S.
On July 17 2012 23:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote: I don't quite know who'll want MMA though. He's a player in freefall decline now. His forever woeful TvP has caught up with him, his TvT is mediocre and now that everyone is bad at TvZ he doesn't have that guarenteed win vs every Zerg to fall back on anymore.
2 GSLs. 3 time GSL finalist. 2 time GSTL MVP.
If MMA is a bad player, then there isn't a single good player in SC2. This is a GSL champion we are talking about. If you don't see MMA's value as a player, then I'm not surprised that you aren't running any major teams :p
Does that mean that NaDa is currently the best SC:BW player? Of course not; MMA has not been winning anything recently, he's not a bad player, but any team that wants to get him is going to have to pay a pretty hefty pricetag for a player who is not playing his best.
This year he has won an IEM and the Ironsquid, he will come back as soon as blizzards fixes TvZ
nice try
yeah... watch this series and try to tell me that he's not good
MMA got tired of losing multiple TvZs to Min so he took a dump on Min's keyboard while he was sleeping. Generally, shitting on other people's stuff are considered socially unacceptable and it explains him getting kicked out of the team house.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
This might be true a year, or even 6 month ago. But now there isn't much "easy" foreign money to be had. Every tournament with decent prize pool have multiple Code S caliber players. Different skill maybe, since most foreign tournaments are weekend arena where more provision / stamina is required rather than GSL where preparation means alot more.
A weekend for $10,000 against multiple code S caliber players, or 2 months for $40,000 against 100% code S players who have all been training specifically for you, and if you aren't in the top 25% overall you may not even be eligible to compete again for another 2 months?
The amount of time and effort invested per dollar for GSL is far beyond any weekend event.
Yeah that's def true, GSL is harder than foreign tournaments, I think everyone agree on that. But there is nothing "easy" about beating a queue of players, including multiple Code S, over 72 hours.
Not easy, easier. GSL is a much larger investment for a return that isn't proportional.
Agreed. For example, Naniwa just got into ro8 twice, but I'm pretty sure people aren't going to talk that much about it as compared to some other foreigner Protoss winning some other tournament. Fuck you get into the finals and you don't win, people talk about you for maybe a month before your achievement is forgotten. When you are playing GSL, you get less exposure, less opportunity to show results (unless you frequently win Code S or smth, and even then, winning a bunch of other 'easier' foreign tournaments looks better on paper to the typical clueless corporate sponsor), and you get less opportunity to make money, because unless you win the darn GSL or place really highly every GSL, you don't earn that much, plus your stream revenue, assuming you stream, will probably be affected because you are from a different time zone.
On July 18 2012 00:33 MVega wrote: Have to say all the "It's Jessica/Eve related or at least related to a 'girl'" is pretty sickening. :/ Misogyny ftl.
Most sports teams / coaches have rules when it comes to girls. How is it misogynistic to speculate that that is one of the areas MMA might find himself in atm?
You're comparing things that can't even be compared. As you alluded to in a later post you know part of why those rules exist for some physical sports or why athletes generally set those limitations on themselves. For the most part though that kind of thing only applies around championship time. Have you read the thread? You haven't seen all the extremely misogynistic comments thrown around in it? It's sickening.
Notice how Eve isn't mentioned in the article? If there was something between Eve and MMA and it was frowned on by the team both of them would be in the dog house, but it's just MMA. So logically, from a business perspective, if it in any way involved Eve it would be because MMA did something sleazy and sexually harrassed her. It's weird though that people in the thread who bring up Eve/Jessica don't consider that possibility, it's mostly just "lulz womenz dramaz lulz" or "He tried to timing attack Eve's natural but she was turtling lulz" and other bullshit.
Or, they might have a thing for each other (thought it was pretty established that Eve was an MMA fangirl before she joined SlayerS?) and there is simply a rule against teammates seeing each other, similar to rules in certain workplaces.
You're assuming the worst. Some aren't. Until anything clearer is revealed it's all speculation.
People who find sexual innuendos funny =/= people who find sexual harassment funny.
EDIT: And as far as I know Eve doesn't live in the team house.
No, I'm not assuming anything. I'm not the one assuming that Eve is involved. I'm just telling you that if Eve was involved and it wasn't a sexual harrassment kind of deal, she'd be in the dog house too, but she's not. If it were a simple matter of there being a rule of no relationships between teammates she would be. I also didn't say that she lived in the team house, "in the dog house" is an expression meaning "in trouble." - There isn't an actual dog house that people are sent to when they misbehave.
Joking about sexual harrassment isn't funny. Joking about women casuing drama, not being able to think rationally, belonging in the kitchen, etc also isn't funny. It's disgusting.
As for what really happened I have no way of knowing, and neither does anyone outside of SlayerS really at this point. Which was a main part of my original point in that assuming that it's because of Eve/Jessica being "emotional" over a vast number of other things that could have happened is just wrong.
OK, I'm gonna deal with this by paragraph.
1. I understood the expression. My point is that since Eve was never in the team house from the start, she can't be "demoted" from it, hence possibly explaining the lack of publicity about it.
2. Your assumptions: jokes of that nature being made. My speculations were mainly involving a legitimate relationship (hence the "internal" privacy) and workplace-like rules in a team house environment, which isn't as black and white as being punished for say, not practicing hence why MMA might contest it.
Your inference that if it is girl-related, then MMA must have done something sleazy was not valid from the start.
Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
Wait, people are considering winning Super Tourney a GSL win?
When the hell did that happen?
Polt has never won a GSL proper, WC/Super Tourney/Blizzcup are side tournaments that lacked the seriousness and prep time that GSL proper has... right?
The Super Tournament was supposed to be the gsl of gsls. The biggest thing that ever happened to starcraft, not a side tournament. It failed because everyone good that wasn't terran got knocked out early.
I just watched GSL Behind the Booth with MMA, and he's always come across as humble, friendly and very respectful, in addition to his skill and hard-work. Did I miss something?
Along with Boxer, he's been carrying the SlayerS banner since its inception, and only recently has it been passed on to Puzzle. Not going to go too much into his 2011 achievements, we're all familiar with those.
He's been a bit inconsistent of late, but everyone has their ups and downs. Being in a "slump" is not good enough of a reason to demote MMA, and the statement certainly mentions that. Winning Iron Squid was great, but it was excruciatingly painful to see him go 0-3 in Up and Downs to fall to Code A, not to mention losing to GoOdy, Sen, and then Line in the GSTL. However, I'm sure I'm not the only one who still has faith in MMA. I hope Boxer hasn't lost faith in his star pupil either.
Thus, for SlayerS to officially demote him to B-team AND kick him out of the team-house would have had to involve some extremely serious "internal issues" indeed. On top of that, very few people would describe MMA as "unreasonable", so for him to refuse his demotion implies a questionable and controversial decision by the SlayerS management rather than MMA himself having done something so terribly wrong as to warrant this treatment. That MMA has "expressed his desire to join a foreign team" is surprising, but not unprecedented. However, we are left wondering whether this was the cause of the conflict, or a consequence. Of course, this is pure speculation, and we'll have to hope for a formal statement from SlayerS (or from MMA) that explains this bizzarre situation.
On July 18 2012 02:00 Paincarnate wrote: Thus, for SlayerS to officially demote him to B-team AND kick him out of the team-house would have had to involve some extremely serious "internal issues" indeed.
The two are the same punishment. Korean apartments aren't very roomy so only A-teamers get a slot.
Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top
Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.
And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.
And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.
Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.
They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.
Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.
Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.
PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
Wait, people are considering winning Super Tourney a GSL win?
When the hell did that happen?
Polt has never won a GSL proper, WC/Super Tourney/Blizzcup are side tournaments that lacked the seriousness and prep time that GSL proper has... right?
Well we if MVP has 4 GSL titles (he has 4 badges on his shirt) then that includes the WC - so Super Tourney surely counts aswell - as that was far more stacked than the WC.
curious what MMA has done to receive this punishment (didn't find alot searching a bit through the pile of pages), but its good to see some teams don't tolerate everything from their stars.
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