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Please stop with the jokes/posts that speculate something sexual or scandalous is at play here. They do not contribute to discussion and are generally of very poor taste.
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 16:02:14
July 17 2012 16:01 GMT
#981
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:56 mrRoflpwn wrote:
MMA? The ONLY terran to rival MVP. How could he be demoted to the B team just for missing one season of Code S?

Taeja beat Mvp...

And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone.

And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp.


Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
OpTicalRH
Profile Joined June 2011
147 Posts
July 17 2012 16:01 GMT
#982
[image loading]


StartaleQ MMA, make it happen aphrodite
bosnia
Profile Joined October 2002
Canada223 Posts
July 17 2012 16:02 GMT
#983
agreed with setzer, nicely said
TL member since 2002, Protoss ftw!!
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
July 17 2012 16:02 GMT
#984
If MMA joins a new team though I want him to join something with really good, quality practice opportunities, I really want to see him shine again. (Not saying that SlayerS has bad practice, SlayerS knows their shit)
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 17 2012 16:04 GMT
#985
If MMA joins Q.ST he'd become God of TvP, lol.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
1st_Panzer_Div.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States621 Posts
July 17 2012 16:05 GMT
#986
On July 18 2012 01:01 OpTicalRH wrote:
[image loading]


StartaleQ MMA, make it happen aphrodite


Best part of that picture is Naniwa sleeping in the corner. "Yeah you're good, and we can play you, but you already know we're not going to"
Manager, Team RIP ZeeZ
NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 16:06:08
July 17 2012 16:05 GMT
#987
StarTale would be a great new home for him, I don't think StarTale has the money or room to support him though with all their recent acquisitions.
Moderatorlickypiddy
lisward
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Singapore959 Posts
July 17 2012 16:06 GMT
#988
On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:56 mrRoflpwn wrote:
MMA? The ONLY terran to rival MVP. How could he be demoted to the B team just for missing one season of Code S?

Taeja beat Mvp...

And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone.

And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp.


Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.

Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.
Opinions are like phasers -- everybody ought to have one
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
July 17 2012 16:10 GMT
#989
On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:56 mrRoflpwn wrote:
MMA? The ONLY terran to rival MVP. How could he be demoted to the B team just for missing one season of Code S?

Taeja beat Mvp...

And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone.

And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp.


Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.


Polt played against some Code-S caliber players and won. Saying it was easy money and dismissing his recent results is silly.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
shrewm
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany38 Posts
July 17 2012 16:11 GMT
#990
Liquid MMA
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 16:18:24
July 17 2012 16:16 GMT
#991
On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:56 mrRoflpwn wrote:
MMA? The ONLY terran to rival MVP. How could he be demoted to the B team just for missing one season of Code S?

Taeja beat Mvp...

And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone.

And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp.


Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.

Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.


Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.

Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event.

Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event.

PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
SolidMustard
Profile Joined May 2011
France1515 Posts
July 17 2012 16:17 GMT
#992
BTT: reading all the [Team X]MMA makes me realize they all sound totally wrong. It should be SlayerSMMA period
Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7393 Posts
July 17 2012 16:17 GMT
#993
On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:
[quote]
Taeja beat Mvp...

And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone.

And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp.


Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.

Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.


Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.

PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.


Taeja is definitely as good as Puzzle or PartinG, hes an incredibly solid player.
Incremental change is the Democrat version of Trickle Down economics.
JungHyun
Profile Joined January 2011
United States47 Posts
July 17 2012 16:18 GMT
#994
On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 17 2012 23:56 mrRoflpwn wrote:
MMA? The ONLY terran to rival MVP. How could he be demoted to the B team just for missing one season of Code S?

Taeja beat Mvp...

And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone.

And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp.


Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.

Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.

Easy money for Polt.
Age is only a number.
Shadow_Dog
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada427 Posts
July 17 2012 16:20 GMT
#995
Meh, I think he'll get over it.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
July 17 2012 16:20 GMT
#996
Wow it's been around for awhile, but we still haven't gotten any updates. Why isn't Jessica spamming her twitter with how ungrateful he is?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
July 17 2012 16:21 GMT
#997
TeamPolt_MMA sound good to me
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
July 17 2012 16:22 GMT
#998
On July 18 2012 01:17 Zambrah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:
On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
[quote]

Idra crushed mvp 2-0.

MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran.


Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.


Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top

polt isn't so hot lately
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard


Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success.

And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes.

And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper.


He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there
Not much behind MMA and DRG for example.


Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea.

They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it.

Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close.


Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend.

PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.


Taeja is definitely as good as Puzzle or PartinG, hes an incredibly solid player.


I think its debatable. Puzzle has been in the RO8 like 3 times I think? Plus his amazing GSTL performances this season. Parting was just dominant for a long time and is still top 3 protoss. I mean I love Taeja, he's one of my favorites, but he was Code A/S borderline for a long time and only just hit his stride. Either way though its 2:1.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
July 17 2012 16:23 GMT
#999
On July 18 2012 01:20 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Wow it's been around for awhile, but we still haven't gotten any updates. Why isn't Jessica spamming her twitter with how ungrateful he is?


They've got to say something today, right? He plays in GSL tonight.
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
July 17 2012 16:24 GMT
#1000
I hope he wins not because I love him, but because I want to see a post-game interview and at least get some sort of hint at whats going on.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
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