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On July 18 2012 00:42 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:33 MVega wrote:
Have to say all the "It's Jessica/Eve related or at least related to a 'girl'" is pretty sickening. :/ Misogyny ftl. Most sports teams / coaches have rules when it comes to girls. How is it misogynistic to speculate that that is one of the areas MMA might find himself in atm?
You're comparing things that can't even be compared. As you alluded to in a later post you know part of why those rules exist for some physical sports or why athletes generally set those limitations on themselves. For the most part though that kind of thing only applies around championship time. Have you read the thread? You haven't seen all the extremely misogynistic comments thrown around in it? It's sickening.
Notice how Eve isn't mentioned in the article? If there was something between Eve and MMA and it was frowned on by the team both of them would be in the dog house, but it's just MMA. So logically, from a business perspective, if it in any way involved Eve it would be because MMA did something sleazy and sexually harrassed her. It's weird though that people in the thread who bring up Eve/Jessica don't consider that possibility, it's mostly just "lulz womenz dramaz lulz" or "He tried to timing attack Eve's natural but she was turtling lulz" and other bullshit.
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On July 18 2012 01:22 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:17 Zambrah wrote:On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
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Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top polt isn't so hot lately http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success. And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes. And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper. He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there  Not much behind MMA and DRG for example. Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea. They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it. Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close. Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend. PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse. Taeja is definitely as good as Puzzle or PartinG, hes an incredibly solid player. I think its debatable. Puzzle has been in the RO8 like 3 times I think? Plus his amazing GSTL performances this season. Parting was just dominant for a long time and is still top 3 protoss. I mean I love Taeja, he's one of my favorites, but he was Code A/S borderline for a long time and only just hit his stride. Either way though its 2:1.
Lets be fair though, many people would be A/S borderline if they were in the groups TaeJa was in during his 1st few Code S ventures.
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On July 18 2012 01:26 Milkis wrote:
so much speculation -_-
What else is there to do before more updates? :-D Sit quietly?! NONSENSE.
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So basically we still don't know why he was demoted and if he is looking for a new team right? k just making sure none of that had changed you can continue the speculating now
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Ryung is the mastermind here, remember when he wrote "fuck MMA" in the snow? + Show Spoiler +
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On July 18 2012 01:25 MVega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:42 S_SienZ wrote:On July 18 2012 00:33 MVega wrote:
Have to say all the "It's Jessica/Eve related or at least related to a 'girl'" is pretty sickening. :/ Misogyny ftl. Most sports teams / coaches have rules when it comes to girls. How is it misogynistic to speculate that that is one of the areas MMA might find himself in atm? You're comparing things that can't even be compared. As you alluded to in a later post you know part of why those rules exist for some physical sports or why athletes generally set those limitations on themselves. For the most part though that kind of thing only applies around championship time. Have you read the thread? You haven't seen all the extremely misogynistic comments thrown around in it? It's sickening. Notice how Eve isn't mentioned in the article? If there was something between Eve and MMA and it was frowned on by the team both of them would be in the dog house, but it's just MMA. So logically, from a business perspective, if it in any way involved Eve it would be because MMA did something sleazy and sexually harrassed her. It's weird though that people in the thread who bring up Eve/Jessica don't consider that possibility, it's mostly just "lulz womenz dramaz lulz" or "He tried to timing attack Eve's natural but she was turtling lulz" and other bullshit.
Or, they might have a thing for each other (thought it was pretty established that Eve was an MMA fangirl before she joined SlayerS?) and there is simply a rule against teammates seeing each other, similar to rules in certain workplaces.
You're assuming the worst. Some aren't. Until anything clearer is revealed it's all speculation.
People who find sexual innuendos funny =/= people who find sexual harassment funny.
EDIT: And as far as I know Eve doesn't live in the team house.
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On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:On July 18 2012 00:05 The Final Boss wrote:[quote] Taeja beat Mvp...  And I think if you read the OP or any of the pages in this thread, it is pretty clear that this is not for performance issues alone. And right now MMA probably could not beat Mvp. Idra crushed mvp 2-0. MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran. Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent. Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top polt isn't so hot lately http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success. And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes. And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper. He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there Not much behind MMA and DRG for example. Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea. They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it. Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close. Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend. Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event. Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event. PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse.
You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
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On July 18 2012 01:26 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:22 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 01:17 Zambrah wrote:On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success. And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes. And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper. He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there Not much behind MMA and DRG for example. Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea. They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it. Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close. Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend. PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse. Taeja is definitely as good as Puzzle or PartinG, hes an incredibly solid player. I think its debatable. Puzzle has been in the RO8 like 3 times I think? Plus his amazing GSTL performances this season. Parting was just dominant for a long time and is still top 3 protoss. I mean I love Taeja, he's one of my favorites, but he was Code A/S borderline for a long time and only just hit his stride. Either way though its 2:1. Lets be fair though, many people would be A/S borderline if they were in the groups TaeJa was in during his 1st few Code S ventures.
No one is arguing that Code S isn't the hardest tournament, everyone agrees that, I was just saying Polt didn't win, easy money, it was still difficult, and he had to play good players to win the event.
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On July 18 2012 01:29 Irre wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:On July 18 2012 00:07 EmilA wrote:
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Idra crushed mvp 2-0.
MMA still top 5 terran, which of course doesn't put you that high with the current game balance, but he's still a top top terran. Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent. Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top polt isn't so hot lately http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success. And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes. And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper. He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there Not much behind MMA and DRG for example. Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea. They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it. Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close. Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend. Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event. Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event. PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse. You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events.
His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
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On July 18 2012 01:25 MVega wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:42 S_SienZ wrote:On July 18 2012 00:33 MVega wrote:
Have to say all the "It's Jessica/Eve related or at least related to a 'girl'" is pretty sickening. :/ Misogyny ftl. Most sports teams / coaches have rules when it comes to girls. How is it misogynistic to speculate that that is one of the areas MMA might find himself in atm? You're comparing things that can't even be compared. As you alluded to in a later post you know part of why those rules exist for some physical sports or why athletes generally set those limitations on themselves. For the most part though that kind of thing only applies around championship time. Have you read the thread? You haven't seen all the extremely misogynistic comments thrown around in it? It's sickening. Notice how Eve isn't mentioned in the article? If there was something between Eve and MMA and it was frowned on by the team both of them would be in the dog house, but it's just MMA. So logically, from a business perspective, if it in any way involved Eve it would be because MMA did something sleazy and sexually harrassed her. It's weird though that people in the thread who bring up Eve/Jessica don't consider that possibility, it's mostly just "lulz womenz dramaz lulz" or "He tried to timing attack Eve's natural but she was turtling lulz" and other bullshit.
I'm sure if he did something that serious it would be more repercussion and he wouldn't be pouting about it.
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On July 18 2012 01:26 Milkis wrote:
so much speculation -_-
Slayers is not known for being forthcoming with information internal decision, but they should at least learn how to get ahead of the ball. There isn't a profession sports organization in either NA or EU that would bench/demote a player without some sort of press release. I understand there is some cultural disconnect on the issue, but they must at least be aware that people are going to talk and speculate in an information vacume.
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Nothing like a drama thread to get TL going.
I'm going to wildly speculate that it was something more mundane like MMA was looking to join a foreign team in a fairly clandestine way, and it got discovered.
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Oh god, he didn't karate chop goody did he? Though I do like the earlier idea of it being because of MMA walking around the slayers house in briefs singing "we are the champions."
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On July 18 2012 01:33 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:29 Irre wrote:On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
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Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top polt isn't so hot lately http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success. And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes. And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper. He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there Not much behind MMA and DRG for example. Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea. They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it. Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close. Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend. Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event. Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event. PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse. You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events. His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
This might be true a year, or even 6 month ago. But now there isn't much "easy" foreign money to be had. Every tournament with decent prize pool have multiple Code S caliber players. Different skill maybe, since most foreign tournaments are weekend arena where more provision / stamina is required rather than GSL where preparation means alot more.
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On July 18 2012 00:43 Disposition1989 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 00:40 ydeer1993 wrote:On July 18 2012 00:32 The Final Boss wrote:On July 18 2012 00:01 Bagration wrote:On July 17 2012 23:54 Aeroplaneoverthesea wrote:
I don't quite know who'll want MMA though. He's a player in freefall decline now. His forever woeful TvP has caught up with him, his TvT is mediocre and now that everyone is bad at TvZ he doesn't have that guarenteed win vs every Zerg to fall back on anymore. 2 GSLs. 3 time GSL finalist. 2 time GSTL MVP. If MMA is a bad player, then there isn't a single good player in SC2. This is a GSL champion we are talking about. If you don't see MMA's value as a player, then I'm not surprised that you aren't running any major teams :p Does that mean that NaDa is currently the best SC:BW player? Of course not; MMA has not been winning anything recently, he's not a bad player, but any team that wants to get him is going to have to pay a pretty hefty pricetag for a player who is not playing his best. This year he has won an IEM and the Ironsquid, he will come back as soon as blizzards fixes TvZ nice try
what you mean nice try?
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On July 18 2012 01:33 Greggle wrote:Show nested quote +On July 18 2012 01:29 Irre wrote:On July 18 2012 01:16 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 01:06 lisward wrote:On July 18 2012 01:01 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:56 namste wrote:On July 18 2012 00:50 Greggle wrote:On July 18 2012 00:43 opterown wrote:On July 18 2012 00:36 RainSunShowers wrote:On July 18 2012 00:32 vthree wrote:
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Personally, I see MKP, MVP, Byun, Taeja as the clear top 4 (no specific order). Then you have a large logjam with Jjajki, Gumiho, aLive, Keen, MMA, Ryung who all show they can compete with the very best but just not as consistent.
Poor Polt, maybe not the very best terran, but he is at the top polt isn't so hot lately http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1856&part=games&league=standard Polt isn't anywhere near the top. I don't think he can ride his Super Tournament win any further. He hasn't had any other big success. And I agree on that top 4, but I disagree with lumping MMA in with the others, he's significantly ahead of everyone else in that list in terms of accomplishments and sustained an extremely high level of skill for more than half a year. Jjakji had one fleeting success, but has yet to prove it wasn't a fluke in my eyes. And Keen? Sure he looks amazing every now and then, but then he just crumbles and goes back to being a gatekeeper. He won Asus ROG too and some other stuff, http://sc2earnings.com/player/172/choi-seong-hun he's up there Not much behind MMA and DRG for example. Minor foreign tournaments don't come anywhere near the GSL and GSTL in terms of skill though. Polt has basically been flying around picking up easy money crushing foreigners and playing against the handful of Koreans that were either invited or had a sponsor to fly them out. You can't even begin to compare that to DRG's or MMA's accomplishments in Korea. They may be winning less money doing what they do, but they play a hell of a lot harder to do it. Agreed, but don't take Polt's win away from him, it wasn't easy money. For example in Asus ROG, he beat Hero, Taeja and Lucky, before meeting Stephano, a player which most will agree is at least Code A standard, and he beat 3-1, but the games were really good and close. Compared to MVP playing Parting, Naniwa, Hero, July, Leenock, Puzzle and Ryung in Code S Season 2? I mean Hero, Lucky, and Taeja are all good, but they aren't on the level of Parting or Puzzle, and even then there's only 4 GSL players versus 7, and the event is a couple months work versus one weekend. Not to mention that they all prepared specifically for him, so they were undoubtedly playing on a higher level than at a weekend event. Sorry, the amount of effort for a GSL win far exceeds any foreign event. PS I made it a point not to mention Stephano since I don't want to make this thread even worse. You do realize Polt has a GSL Championship right? and he beat MMA for it 4-0? and it was for more money than all of the GSL seasons but the opens? Just checking...no reason to claim Polt doesn't stand with those players because he goes to foreign events. His championship is 13 months old at this point making it less and less relevant. My argument is more that prize money doesn't indicate a players skill, especially when you start comparing winnings from foreign tournaments to GSL winnings.
Prize money OF COURSE relates to skill....whos won the most money??? MC, MVP, Nestea, MKP, MMA DRG, Stephano, Polt....how can argue against that? Results matter, hype does not.
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On July 18 2012 01:34 Plansix wrote:Slayers is not known for being forthcoming with information internal decision, but they should at least learn how to get ahead of the ball. There isn't a profession sports organization in either NA or EU that would bench/demote a player without some sort of press release. I understand there is some cultural disconnect on the issue, but they must at least be aware that people are going to talk and speculate in an information vacume.
Every Korean BW/SC2 team does crap like this, actually. SlayerS just ends up being a bit more public about stuff that goes on... there are a ton of stuff that goes on like "demotions" and people getting sent home that doesn't get reported and people only find out much later through hearsay.
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On July 18 2012 01:26 Milkis wrote:
so much speculation -_-
I believe this has something to do with the 111 conspiracy.
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