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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
July 16 2012 05:56 GMT
#1621
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(
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0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 06:11:07
July 16 2012 06:10 GMT
#1622
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 06:16:47
July 16 2012 06:14 GMT
#1623
These matches should be made with the current version of HotS since it makes most sense to switch from BW to SC2 with a new expansion when everyone has to learn new balance. It would also add more exciting matches than the stupid and scripted Battle Reports Blizzard gave us so far and the commentary would be real instead of faked excitement and explanations for dummies.

On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.

Being a pessimist is the better way of life. Either you get pleasantly surprised and proven wrong OR you are proven right. I do share that sentiment.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
July 16 2012 06:14 GMT
#1624
On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.


Elitists are gonna elit. If kespa players which much less experience can win against GSL code b-a players, doesn't that mean that straight mechanics CAN get you far? SHouldn't that prove sc2 is not flawed in that regards?
Never say die
Rabiator
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany3948 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 06:22:35
July 16 2012 06:20 GMT
#1625
On July 16 2012 15:14 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.


Elitists are gonna elit. If kespa players which much less experience can win against GSL code b-a players, doesn't that mean that straight mechanics CAN get you far? SHouldn't that prove sc2 is not flawed in that regards?

The game has its HUGE flaws, there is no denying it, but any discussion here is off topic.You can read about them in several threads right now ...

The big question is how the BW pros will adapt their playstyle to the deathball playstyle of SC2 or if they can figure out ways to beat that with a more BW-ish approach.

EDIT: If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.
If you cant say what you're meaning, you can never mean what you're saying.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 06:47:44
July 16 2012 06:46 GMT
#1626
Holy shit english commentary aaaah <3

Thank you so much GOM.

EDIT: Can't we all just enjoy it as a fun event instead of turning it into a debate about elephants and game design?
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
July 16 2012 06:50 GMT
#1627
On July 16 2012 15:20 Rabiator wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:14 Ghoststrikes wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.


Elitists are gonna elit. If kespa players which much less experience can win against GSL code b-a players, doesn't that mean that straight mechanics CAN get you far? SHouldn't that prove sc2 is not flawed in that regards?

The game has its HUGE flaws, there is no denying it, but any discussion here is off topic.You can read about them in several threads right now ...

The big question is how the BW pros will adapt their playstyle to the deathball playstyle of SC2 or if they can figure out ways to beat that with a more BW-ish approach.

EDIT: If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.


Can I ask, have you watched any Code S/Code A GSL content in the last 3 months at all? Deathball versus Deathball is on the way out at the highest level already, and it's should only get better when HotS comes out.


KT FlaSh FOREVER
LeSioN
Profile Joined November 2010
United States325 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 06:56:49
July 16 2012 06:55 GMT
#1628
On July 16 2012 15:20 Rabiator wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2012 15:14 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.


Elitists are gonna elit. If kespa players which much less experience can win against GSL code b-a players, doesn't that mean that straight mechanics CAN get you far? SHouldn't that prove sc2 is not flawed in that regards?

The game has its HUGE flaws, there is no denying it, but any discussion here is off topic.You can read about them in several threads right now ...

The big question is how the BW pros will adapt their playstyle to the deathball playstyle of SC2 or if they can figure out ways to beat that with a more BW-ish approach.

EDIT: If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.




well the death ball approach is so last year (with exception to zerg, obviously lings.).

watch any game with the top sc2 players and the person without a ball of units or more likely; a better spread/concave and multi-point harass tactics, will win.

your so off base that even mid-tier foriegn players are starting to not allow their units to ball up. I cant think of any pro game recently where a player used a "death ball." Just because a player initially moves their army in 1 group dosent make it a "death ball"

edit- sorry i dont like elepents in my sc2 forums keep your + Show Spoiler +
If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.
shit in your bw forums.
Someone needs to tell the truth, but it shouldn't be my job.
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
July 16 2012 07:10 GMT
#1629
Besides, discussion of skill is irrelevant because it's likely fixed. The point of the show would be defeated if both of the kespa players lost in their first matches, regardless of whether certain members of the community think they should win or not. The chance that it happens would have to be avoided, otherwise it wouldn't even be worth 'revealing' the winning player.

The whole point is to show off the skills of a particular BW pro by them winning and having their ID revealed =P

I could be wrong, and accept if so, but it is at least an undeniable possibility. This entire thing is for entertainment purposes only. It cannot be trusted as evidence for any of your silly arguments.
Ghoststrikes
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1356 Posts
July 16 2012 07:15 GMT
#1630
On July 16 2012 16:10 MCXD wrote:
Besides, discussion of skill is irrelevant because it's likely fixed. The point of the show would be defeated if both of the kespa players lost in their first matches, regardless of whether certain members of the community think they should win or not. The chance that it happens would have to be avoided, otherwise it wouldn't even be worth 'revealing' the winning player.

The whole point is to show off the skills of a particular BW pro by them winning and having their ID revealed =P

I could be wrong, and accept if so, but it is at least an undeniable possibility. This entire thing is for entertainment purposes only. It cannot be trusted as evidence for any of your silly arguments.


I like to think Koreans have enough pride not to throw away games on purpose even for a showmatch. I.E. see what happened to Byun and Coca who did pretty much this, and got heavily punished for it.
Never say die
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
July 16 2012 07:20 GMT
#1631
On July 16 2012 16:15 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 16:10 MCXD wrote:
Besides, discussion of skill is irrelevant because it's likely fixed. The point of the show would be defeated if both of the kespa players lost in their first matches, regardless of whether certain members of the community think they should win or not. The chance that it happens would have to be avoided, otherwise it wouldn't even be worth 'revealing' the winning player.

The whole point is to show off the skills of a particular BW pro by them winning and having their ID revealed =P

I could be wrong, and accept if so, but it is at least an undeniable possibility. This entire thing is for entertainment purposes only. It cannot be trusted as evidence for any of your silly arguments.


I like to think Koreans have enough pride not to throw away games on purpose even for a showmatch. I.E. see what happened to Byun and Coca who did pretty much this, and got heavily punished for it.


I do too. I just feel that it's a little counter intuitive to the format of the show. Should be fun anyway though.
Nekovivie
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2599 Posts
July 16 2012 07:22 GMT
#1632
On July 16 2012 15:46 MCXD wrote:EDIT: Can't we all just enjoy it as a fun event instead of turning it into a debate about elephants and game design?


We dont have fun at TeamLiquid, only rage.
If you are not supporting K-Pop you are hurting E-Sports.
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
July 16 2012 07:24 GMT
#1633
I'm debating whether I should watch this tonight since I don't really need to sleep.
tuestresfat
Profile Joined December 2010
2555 Posts
July 16 2012 07:25 GMT
#1634
On July 16 2012 16:22 Nekovivie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:46 MCXD wrote:EDIT: Can't we all just enjoy it as a fun event instead of turning it into a debate about elephants and game design?


We dont have fun at TeamLiquid, only rage.

pretty much why i've almost stopped posting =/
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 16 2012 07:26 GMT
#1635
How have the Kespa players been doing overall in this?
boomudead1
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States186 Posts
July 16 2012 07:28 GMT
#1636
uhh.. whos who? anyone know? y they hide
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
July 16 2012 07:55 GMT
#1637
The event is now in the schedule:
http://www.gomtv.net/schedule/index.gom

And the respective site for it too:
http://www.gomtv.net/event/ReadyAction.gom
Tipany
Profile Joined November 2010
United States368 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 08:01:26
July 16 2012 08:01 GMT
#1638
On July 16 2012 15:55 LeSioN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:20 Rabiator wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2012 15:14 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.


Elitists are gonna elit. If kespa players which much less experience can win against GSL code b-a players, doesn't that mean that straight mechanics CAN get you far? SHouldn't that prove sc2 is not flawed in that regards?

The game has its HUGE flaws, there is no denying it, but any discussion here is off topic.You can read about them in several threads right now ...

The big question is how the BW pros will adapt their playstyle to the deathball playstyle of SC2 or if they can figure out ways to beat that with a more BW-ish approach.

EDIT: If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.




well the death ball approach is so last year (with exception to zerg, obviously lings.).

watch any game with the top sc2 players and the person without a ball of units or more likely; a better spread/concave and multi-point harass tactics, will win.

your so off base that even mid-tier foriegn players are starting to not allow their units to ball up. I cant think of any pro game recently where a player used a "death ball." Just because a player initially moves their army in 1 group dosent make it a "death ball"

edit- sorry i dont like elepents in my sc2 forums keep your + Show Spoiler +
If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.
shit in your bw forums.

a death ball does not refer to a literal circle of units, it refers to the fact that you can have a composition of high dps units that just "rolls around" and smashes everything in its way.
wat.
Dapper_Cad
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom964 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 08:27:22
July 16 2012 08:26 GMT
#1639
On July 16 2012 17:01 Tipany wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:55 LeSioN wrote:
On July 16 2012 15:20 Rabiator wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On July 16 2012 15:14 Ghoststrikes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 15:10 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:56 bittman wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:33 0neder wrote:
On July 16 2012 14:06 Fionn wrote:
Can't wait for one of the GSL players to lose to a KESPA player in the first round and then spend another week hyping KESPA players as our last hope for saving SC2 excitement.

My version!


Your version has equally depressing connotations about the community =(

Not the community's fault the game design has fundamental flaws. Hopefully that will change, but I don't have much hope.


Elitists are gonna elit. If kespa players which much less experience can win against GSL code b-a players, doesn't that mean that straight mechanics CAN get you far? SHouldn't that prove sc2 is not flawed in that regards?

The game has its HUGE flaws, there is no denying it, but any discussion here is off topic.You can read about them in several threads right now ...

The big question is how the BW pros will adapt their playstyle to the deathball playstyle of SC2 or if they can figure out ways to beat that with a more BW-ish approach.

EDIT: If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.


Not according to pretty much every conversation about deathballs on team liquid. It's why this conversation always goes hand in hand with ctrl group discussions.


well the death ball approach is so last year (with exception to zerg, obviously lings.).

watch any game with the top sc2 players and the person without a ball of units or more likely; a better spread/concave and multi-point harass tactics, will win.

your so off base that even mid-tier foriegn players are starting to not allow their units to ball up. I cant think of any pro game recently where a player used a "death ball." Just because a player initially moves their army in 1 group dosent make it a "death ball"

edit- sorry i dont like elepents in my sc2 forums keep your + Show Spoiler +
If you bring the "haters gonna hate" meme (in a different shape) you just reveal yourself as a fanboi with no brain or willingness to think or argue your point of view.
shit in your bw forums.

a death ball does not refer to a literal circle of units, it refers to the fact that you can have a composition of high dps units that just "rolls around" and smashes everything in its way.


Not according to pretty much every discussion of deathballs on team liquid.
But he is never making short-term prediction, everyone of his prediction are based on fundenmentals, but he doesn't exactly know when it will happen... So using these kind of narrowed "who-is-right" empirical analysis makes little sense.
snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
July 16 2012 08:36 GMT
#1640
SQ stream will also be available on http://www.twitch.tv/gomtv
@riotsnowbird
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