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Proseat
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Germany5113 Posts
July 12 2012 22:22 GMT
#1581
On July 12 2012 17:56 Norada wrote:
Is there a place that shows in the first week which teams/players made it to the reveal stage?

The most obvious place: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarCraft_2_Ready_Action:_Cross_Match

On July 12 2012 16:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
Say, I heard Khaldor casted some of the matches on his stream, are there vods of this?
I checked his stream but I cannot find anything related to this (last few things was this mmo and zotac cups).

Khaldor did not cast on his own stream but via GOMTV's twitch channel which was put up on short notice (after the first match). The stream recording was available for a few hours (http://www.twitch.tv/gomtv/b/324201396) but has since been made unavailable. The Korean-cast VODs of all the matches are up on GOMTV's youtube channel now, though.
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eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 12 2012 22:22 GMT
#1582
On July 12 2012 16:42 JustPassingBy wrote:
Say, I heard Khaldor casted some of the matches on his stream, are there vods of this?
I checked his stream but I cannot find anything related to this (last few things was this mmo and zotac cups).

There was a vod of Khaldor casting on GOMtv's twitch.tv channel, but unfortunately they removed it once they got their Youtube vods uploaded. Only their Youtube channel has the vods, but only in the original Korean.
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Kiyo.
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2284 Posts
July 15 2012 15:26 GMT
#1583
This is on tonight again correct? A bit before OSL?
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Grumbels
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Netherlands7031 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 15:53:13
July 15 2012 15:50 GMT
#1584
I'm going to predict that the GSL players will go 2-0 in both their matches, it'll be curious to see if we can guess the player again. I think we still don't know who the terran and zerg player were. I think GOM should drop a few more hints (like releasing replays) so we can guess more easily.
On July 16 2012 00:26 Kiyo. wrote:
This is on tonight again correct? A bit before OSL?

I think the OSL takes place on tuesday, Korean time and the cross-match will take place on monday, which is sunday night for NA audiences.
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Hall0wed
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States8486 Posts
July 15 2012 15:54 GMT
#1585
On July 16 2012 00:50 Grumbels wrote:
I'm going to predict that the GSL players will go 2-0 in both their matches, it'll be curious to see if we can guess the player again. I think we still don't know who the terran and zerg player were. I think GOM should drop a few more hints (like releasing replays) so we can guess more easily.
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 00:26 Kiyo. wrote:
This is on tonight again correct? A bit before OSL?

I think the OSL takes place on tuesday, Korean time and the cross-match will take place on monday, which is sunday night for NA audiences.


Nope! OSL is Monday in Korea (starts 7:30pm KST I believe). This should still be broadcasted though, dunno what time but if it sticks to what the OP says then it will be on.
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minilance
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada500 Posts
July 15 2012 16:13 GMT
#1586
do you know if kaldor will cast and at what time does the cast start??
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oskuboi
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland72 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 18:55:27
July 15 2012 16:55 GMT
#1587
On July 12 2012 18:05 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 17:52 writer22816 wrote:
On July 11 2012 01:14 Catatonic wrote:
On July 10 2012 09:01 rauk wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:34 ShadeR wrote:
It doesn't bode well for SC2 at all if a group of players putting in at most 80% of their effort into SC2 in a relatively short period of time can edge out established players putting in 100%. These results continue to give credence to the claim that SC2 in it's current state will not allow skill to translate into victory as well as BW did. Skill disparity is asphyxiated by the games own mechanics.


as much as i like to bash on sc2 being a terrible game i'd attribute it to the stricter training regime of kespa teams and the fact that 90% of gsl code s players were b-teamers or worse in broodwar

An yet many good BW programmers when transferred over to SC2 didn't do so well so your comment has about zero ground. BW elitism really needs to die out seriously both games are really great games but the elitism many BW fans feel is just completely baseless and false in many instances. Such as your statement here. Nada was great in the BW days but failed to win much of anything in SC2 hmmmm that alone disproves your theory there as does July not really winning much as well, shall I go on? Compare the SC2 careers of MVP,MMA, an MC vs that of a Nada or July. It's not even funny how far apart they are so quit it with the elitism seriously.


Yet another player who knows nothing about the BW scene yet still feels arrogant enough to comment on it.

I agree with him damn IT elitists hyping up BW programmers.

You agree with what? He said only nonsence bullshit... you guys should check the facts before commenting utter bullshit and stating it as fact... Taken from "elephant in the room" : "The Legends

I know there's been a conspicuous omission of a few special ex-Brood War players. We have to treat them separately because:
a. I can't bear listing their names alongside some of the ones earlier on, and
b. It's important to see just how poorly they were doing at the twilight of their careers.

Here are their career stats, which for someone as old-school as BoxeR goes back to 2000.

BoxeR – 353-275 (56.21%)
NaDa - 439-290 (60.22%)
July - 267-202 (56.93%)


Here are their stats starting from the beginning of last year (2010):
BoxeR – 6-6 (50%)
NaDa - 14-11 (56%)
July - 6-9 (40%)


Perhaps motivation flagged after they won too many tournaments, or maybe the prize money was too distracting. Perhaps they were simply out-skilled by those who had built their games upon the templates these three established. Excuses aside, NaDa was the only one of the three to still somewhat regularly participate in Proleague. BoxeR and July were relegated to playing MST and OSL preliminaries and getting eliminated. Also note the number of games BoxeR played over this time period - 12. That is basically inactive status for a progamer. For comparison, let's look at, say, MVP's stats over that period:

MVP - 29-21 (58%)"

MVP was actually playing more and doing better than BW (basically retired) legends when they swithced over, not vice versa. No one who was top class BW player when sc2 game out has not swithced yet so ignorant arguments like this one "An yet many good BW programmers when transferred over to SC2 didn't do so well so your comment has about zero ground" are completly invalid. Again if u dont know anything, check the facts before posting. kk? Thank you.

Edit - Here are stats for Flash right now: 495 wins - 198 losses (71.43%)
Edit2 - Noticed something funny: SC2 stats for flash: 10 wins - 4 losses (71.43%) coincidence?
Edit3 - Im sry didnt notice it was "programmer" :D
smekz
Profile Joined April 2010
Portugal503 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-15 18:36:45
July 15 2012 18:36 GMT
#1588
On July 16 2012 00:50 Grumbels wrote:
I'm going to predict that the GSL players will go 2-0 in both their matches, it'll be curious to see if we can guess the player again. I think we still don't know who the terran and zerg player were. I think GOM should drop a few more hints (like releasing replays) so we can guess more easily.
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 00:26 Kiyo. wrote:
This is on tonight again correct? A bit before OSL?

I think the OSL takes place on tuesday, Korean time and the cross-match will take place on monday, which is sunday night for NA audiences.


you were probably thinking about bw OSL sc2 osl(odt) is monday
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
July 15 2012 18:41 GMT
#1589
On July 16 2012 01:55 oskuboi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2012 18:05 bgx wrote:
On July 12 2012 17:52 writer22816 wrote:
On July 11 2012 01:14 Catatonic wrote:
On July 10 2012 09:01 rauk wrote:
On July 10 2012 08:34 ShadeR wrote:
It doesn't bode well for SC2 at all if a group of players putting in at most 80% of their effort into SC2 in a relatively short period of time can edge out established players putting in 100%. These results continue to give credence to the claim that SC2 in it's current state will not allow skill to translate into victory as well as BW did. Skill disparity is asphyxiated by the games own mechanics.


as much as i like to bash on sc2 being a terrible game i'd attribute it to the stricter training regime of kespa teams and the fact that 90% of gsl code s players were b-teamers or worse in broodwar

An yet many good BW programmers when transferred over to SC2 didn't do so well so your comment has about zero ground. BW elitism really needs to die out seriously both games are really great games but the elitism many BW fans feel is just completely baseless and false in many instances. Such as your statement here. Nada was great in the BW days but failed to win much of anything in SC2 hmmmm that alone disproves your theory there as does July not really winning much as well, shall I go on? Compare the SC2 careers of MVP,MMA, an MC vs that of a Nada or July. It's not even funny how far apart they are so quit it with the elitism seriously.


Yet another player who knows nothing about the BW scene yet still feels arrogant enough to comment on it.

I agree with him damn IT elitists hyping up BW programmers.

You agree with what? He said only nonsence bullshit... you guys should check the facts before commenting utter bullshit and stating it as fact... Taken from "elephant in the room" : "The Legends

I know there's been a conspicuous omission of a few special ex-Brood War players. We have to treat them separately because:
a. I can't bear listing their names alongside some of the ones earlier on, and
b. It's important to see just how poorly they were doing at the twilight of their careers.

Here are their career stats, which for someone as old-school as BoxeR goes back to 2000.

BoxeR – 353-275 (56.21%)
NaDa - 439-290 (60.22%)
July - 267-202 (56.93%)


Here are their stats starting from the beginning of last year (2010):
BoxeR – 6-6 (50%)
NaDa - 14-11 (56%)
July - 6-9 (40%)


Perhaps motivation flagged after they won too many tournaments, or maybe the prize money was too distracting. Perhaps they were simply out-skilled by those who had built their games upon the templates these three established. Excuses aside, NaDa was the only one of the three to still somewhat regularly participate in Proleague. BoxeR and July were relegated to playing MST and OSL preliminaries and getting eliminated. Also note the number of games BoxeR played over this time period - 12. That is basically inactive status for a progamer. For comparison, let's look at, say, MVP's stats over that period:

MVP - 29-21 (58%)"

MVP was actually playing more and doing better than BW (basically retired) legends when they swithced over, not vice versa. No one who was top class BW player when sc2 game out has not swithced yet so ignorant arguments like this one "An yet many good BW programmers when transferred over to SC2 didn't do so well so your comment has about zero ground" are completly invalid. Again if u dont know anything, check the facts before posting. kk? Thank you.

Edit - Here are stats for Flash right now: 495 wins - 198 losses (71.43%)
Edit2 - Noticed something funny: SC2 stats for flash: 10 wins - 4 losses (71.43%) coincidence?


he was making a joke
the guy said "programmer" instead of progamer
He made a pun based on that, no need to get mad
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oskuboi
Profile Joined March 2010
Finland72 Posts
July 15 2012 18:54 GMT
#1590
oh ok im seriously sry then =( didnt notice it was programmer instead of progamer :D:D
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
July 15 2012 23:48 GMT
#1591
When does this start? This is sometime today right?
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 15 2012 23:54 GMT
#1592
On July 16 2012 08:48 Maghetti wrote:
When does this start? This is sometime today right?

Looks like it starts at 6:00 KST on Mondays. Dunno about international broadcasts though
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Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
July 15 2012 23:58 GMT
#1593
On July 16 2012 08:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 08:48 Maghetti wrote:
When does this start? This is sometime today right?

Looks like it starts at 6:00 KST on Mondays. Dunno about international broadcasts though

Monday for us or monday for them? If it is monday for them than it is today, if it is monday for us than it is tomorrow.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
July 16 2012 00:04 GMT
#1594
On July 16 2012 08:58 Maghetti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2012 08:54 eviltomahawk wrote:
On July 16 2012 08:48 Maghetti wrote:
When does this start? This is sometime today right?

Looks like it starts at 6:00 KST on Mondays. Dunno about international broadcasts though

Monday for us or monday for them? If it is monday for them than it is today, if it is monday for us than it is tomorrow.

Monday for them

residents of KR can watch KeSPA vs GSL action every Monday 6:00PM KST in July.
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saltygrapes
Profile Joined April 2010
181 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 01:20:11
July 16 2012 00:08 GMT
#1595
Week 1's terran player played a lot like a Prime terran in TvP... do we not know at all who he is?
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
July 16 2012 02:44 GMT
#1596
anyone want to make an lr in the tourneys section today? so this stays less messy =)
i would, but not home until just before the osl so i doubt i can do it o.O
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seansye
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1722 Posts
July 16 2012 02:48 GMT
#1597
I think GSL players are ganna win tonight. D:
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Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-16 02:51:09
July 16 2012 02:50 GMT
#1598
On July 16 2012 09:08 saltygrapes wrote:
Week 1's terran player played a lot like a Prime terran in TvP... do we not know at all who he is?


His play reminded me of Polt/MKP/Maru, but all three should be better than that. Polt had a series against Xtreme the next night, so I don't think he would do a showmatch in TvP before his Code A game.
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kanu_knl
Profile Joined July 2008
United States83 Posts
July 16 2012 02:57 GMT
#1599
According to Snowbird:

There will be live English Commentary by Khaldor and Wolf

http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=223014&cid=0&kind=8
oZe
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden492 Posts
July 16 2012 03:11 GMT
#1600
On July 05 2012 13:49 SniXSniPe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2012 13:47 mastergriggy wrote:
No offense...but this is putting an amateur team against a pro team. I understand that the BW pros are good and have grown exponentially amazing at this game, but still there is no way that any of the top code s players would lose.

You're wrong.

If you are High Masters/GM on the Korean server (all the BW pros are pretty much this), then you will be able to take games off Code S players regardless.


You're wrong ^^ Marine king who many people think isn't even top tier. Wasted a master leaguer using only his mouse. It wasn't even close. There is a big difference between master league and GSL. I would say it's like gold vs diamond. Yeah they can receive a game from, but hardly take it and probably never win a best of 5+.
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