EPTOn June 24 2012 05:08 andropopp wrote:
damn i hate you LoL for doing everything right
damn i hate you LoL for doing everything right
Sad but true. LoL is the next Brood War in Korea, not SC2.
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
Sad but true. LoL is the next Brood War in Korea, not SC2. | ||
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Scootaloo
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Hoping this is a lasting change and not some ploy to draw more people into giving him money in the long run. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:11 VirgilSC2 wrote: Sad but true. LoL is the next Brood War in Korea, not SC2. Who fucking care? Seriously? The SC2 is big enough that there is a big tournament each week-end to watch. Even tho the player base is shrinking, the SC2 eSport scene is still growing... I mean, seriously, why do we even care about LoL being bigger or not than SC2? It's not the same type of game. Hockey is bigger than Football in Canada... does it means that Hockey is a better sport and that I should stop watching football? SC2 scene is great. I don't care at all that the LoL one is getting big... I love my SC2 and there is more than enough game to watch. | ||
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CrazyF1r3f0x
United States2120 Posts
On June 23 2012 12:18 Weird wrote: YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY ANGRY POSTS ABOUT GOOD NEWS YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY SC2 COMMUNITY!!! oh c'mon that was the only bad one on the first page ;; | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On June 24 2012 03:38 Sabu113 wrote: LoL values were probably insane so they probably figured they couldn't do a freemium LoL event and not do the same for SC2 without the SC2 community feeling betrayed by MLG. Still awesome. Well if you think about it a LoL arena is probably going to be more expensive than a SC2 arena if they offer the same services. | ||
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Scootaloo
655 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:10 TotalBiscuit wrote: Please tell us more about your knowledge in this area, it sure sounds interesting. Ting from IPL says there is no need to ever go PPV, he might not be making profits, but he never intended to, meaning that as Sundance went into this scene looking for the big bucks that might just be the wrong approach to a scene like this, especially when it's still so young. And Biscuit, bitching about somebody providing no deep analysis is only valid if you follow it up with some knowledgeable information yourself. | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:30 Scootaloo wrote: Ting from IPL says there is no need to ever go PPV, he might not be making profits, but he never intended to, meaning that as Sundance went into this scene looking for the big bucks that might just be the wrong approach to a scene like this, especially when it's still so young. And Biscuit, bitching about somebody providing no deep analysis is only valid if you follow it up with some knowledgeable information yourself. Lol apparently sarcasm goes right over your head rofl. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:30 Scootaloo wrote: Ting from IPL says there is no need to ever go PPV, he might not be making profits, but he never intended to, meaning that as Sundance went into this scene looking for the big bucks that might just be the wrong approach to a scene like this, especially when it's still so young. And Biscuit, bitching about somebody providing no deep analysis is only valid if you follow it up with some knowledgeable information yourself. IPL is also probably the biggest money sink of a league there is. Sundance isn't trying to "make big bucks" he's just trying to keep running a league financially viable, which I think he's doing a great job of. Don't get me wrong, David Ting is a smart guy and has a huge passion for eSports, but the reason he gets away with so much stuff is the relatively huge financial backing he's got. He's still in the stage of trying to make IPL break even. Perhaps if he wasn't so worried about his public image, he might be past that and be in the stage Sundance is in. On June 24 2012 05:26 Xalorian wrote: Who fucking care? Seriously? The SC2 is big enough that there is a big tournament each week-end to watch. Even tho the player base is shrinking, the SC2 eSport scene is still growing... I mean, seriously, why do we even care about LoL being bigger or not than SC2? It's not the same type of game. Hockey is bigger than Football in Canada... does it means that Hockey is a better sport and that I should stop watching football? SC2 scene is great. I don't care at all that the LoL one is getting big... I love my SC2 and there is more than enough game to watch. You misunderstand me. I don't hate that LoL got big, I love it. Does it mean that somewhere down the road I might have to accept that SC2 isn't the mainstage event anymore? Sure, but whatever, as long as there's still a thriving pro scene I don't really care. I'd venture to say I watch about as much LoL as I do SC2 these days, I think it's great LoL is succeeding. I was merely saying that it's sad Blizzard did exactly the wrong thing with SC2 if they wanted it to be as huge as BW was in Korea. The Korean scene thrives mostly off of the games available in PC Bangs, which Brood War, as long as you had a unique copy for each computer, was free to make an account and play, add that to the embargo on Japanese games and you had a perfect storm for Brood War to thrive in Korea. Now, SC2 you have to pay to make each account, and it doesn't really matter whether or not you buy a copy or not for each PC. Meanwhile, LoL is a F2P game with TEAMS, which gives it that EXTRA draw that you can play WITH your friends competitively. I care about LoL being the bigger eSport in the future because it's good news, not because it's bad news. LoL is the game that might finally make eSports, as much as people around here might hate it, mainstream. Once that happens, it opens up an ENTIRELY new realm of sponsorship opportunities for both teams and leagues. | ||
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ZergX
France436 Posts
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ven[o]m
United States7 Posts
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Tyree
1508 Posts
It clearly was not making enough money, they even slashed the price and if looking at this decision, even that didnt work. eSports is just not ready for a PPV model, fine that they tried but there are about 200 reasons why its not even close to being ready for that. UFC PPVs are down from 2005-2007 era, WWE PPVs are down, only draws in boxing are Mayweather and Pacman, the whole model of PPV is in danger. How can a competitive gaming company hope it would go well for them when much larger companies with a marketing machine of millions of dollars cant make it work most of the time? Those of you who really believe that they are doing this because "gosh darnit we made so much money that we just have to give it out for free!" are pretty naive and gullible. I cannot wait for Apple to start giving out free Iphones and Ipads because they have been making billions the last couple of years, surely this is normal practice for successful companies? | ||
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REFLEX_500
162 Posts
Before you send the mob to lynch me, let me make my points. If at the end of reading this you are not convinced, then there’s no hope for you. 1) I know that a lot of people now are going to be thrilled to not have to pay for a video game tournament. However, I personally am a little upset at this. The need to buy a season pass has made my barcrafts’ attendance skyrocket (Barcraft Long Island). The need to purchase a pass actually brings the community together. The reason for this is people do not want to buy one, so we pool our money together (4 or 5 dollars a person depending on attendance), and come together at a pub for a barcraft, or sometimes in my groups’ case, at my house for a BBQcraft. This makes for a very fun and social event which, for one thing, completely counteracts the “nerd, video gamer, antisocial” stereotype and also, in the end, just brings us all together. For something like ESPORTS to survive right now, in one of the most critical stages (newer, bigger sponsorships, partnerships such as CBS!!!), we need to be rallied together in the same state of mind, the same arena and sometimes in the same physical place. BARCRAFT is the easiest place to rally. There’s a reason to rally together, everyone sees us and recognizes us. This is why SC2, LoL, Halo and any ESPORTS game and company will succeed. Our support with social events as well as money is what keeps this machine running. Now that we won’t have to pay (at least for the summer arenas) I really am worried a bit about both my barcrafts and the social community in general. What some people are seeing as good news, I’m seeing as a slight fallback. Many of the community members have been very shy about, for lack of a better phrase, “coming out of the closet”, and are still nervous about packing out public places (bars and other places which are not accustom to having our crowd) with gamers. What we need to recognize is, this is what keeps ESPORTS running. 2) My second point is that MLG is providing a service. Make people pay for it! You’re a business, you need money to operate. You will never see Cablevision just not charge for a month because last months’ revenue was huge. Services are NOT free, please do not toy with the communities mind and make them think that once in a while you’ll flip-flop from business to buddy. I will guarantee that if I do not have to pay to watch the stream in the quality I want, I will at a minimum be donating, as should the rest of you. I would like to strongly urge MLG Sundance, as well as the rest of the community, to not let ESPORTS be hindered in any way from growing. I’m a strong believer in ESPORTS and if any of you are also, please tweet MLG Sundance and everyone else in ESPORTS(Professional players, casters, staff members, bloggers ETC) this post. Twitter: @REFLEX86 -Tommy- REFLEX_500 | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:47 Tyree wrote: If something is doing "well" then you continue to charge for it, if however its doing badly you change your business practice. It clearly was not making enough money, they even slashed the price and if looking at this decision, even that didnt work. eSports is just not ready for a PPV model, fine that they tried but there are about 200 reasons why its not even close to being ready for that. UFC PPVs are down from 2005-2007 era, WWE PPVs are down, only draws in boxing are Mayweather and Pacman, the whole model of PPV is in danger. How can a competitive gaming company hope it would go well for them when much larger companies with a marketing machine of millions of dollars cant make it work most of the time? Those of you who really believe that they are doing this because "gosh darnit we made so much money that we just have to give it out for free!" are pretty naive and gullible. I cannot wait for Apple to start giving out free Iphones and Ipads because they have been making billions the last couple of years, surely this is normal practice for successful companies? Your reading comprehension is clearly under par. He's not saying "WE MADE SO MUCH MONEY WITH THE ARENAS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM TO YOU FOR FREE NOW" He's saying "We were able to turn a profit with the Pay-Per-View model, but thanks to the astounding numbers we pulled at our Spring Championship event we were able to secure more investments which will allow us to bring you that content on the same freemium model that our Championship events use" I wish people would think before they say something stupid. | ||
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:53 REFLEX_500 wrote: This will KILL ESPORTS if it continues. Before you send the mob to lynch me, let me make my points. If at the end of reading this you are not convinced, then there’s no hope for you. 1) I know that a lot of people now are going to be thrilled to not have to pay for a video game tournament. However, I personally am a little upset at this. The need to buy a season pass has made my barcrafts’ attendance skyrocket (Barcraft Long Island). The need to purchase a pass actually brings the community together. The reason for this is people do not want to buy one, so we pool our money together (4 or 5 dollars a person depending on attendance), and come together at a pub for a barcraft, or sometimes in my groups’ case, at my house for a BBQcraft. This makes for a very fun and social event which, for one thing, completely counteracts the “nerd, video gamer, antisocial” stereotype and also, in the end, just brings us all together. For something like ESPORTS to survive right now, in one of the most critical stages (newer, bigger sponsorships, partnerships such as CBS!!!), we need to be rallied together in the same state of mind, the same arena and sometimes in the same physical place. BARCRAFT is the easiest place to rally. There’s a reason to rally together, everyone sees us and recognizes us. This is why SC2, LoL, Halo and any ESPORTS game and company will succeed. Our support with social events as well as money is what keeps this machine running. Now that we won’t have to pay (at least for the summer arenas) I really am worried a bit about both my barcrafts and the social community in general. What some people are seeing as good news, I’m seeing as a slight fallback. Many of the community members have been very shy about, for lack of a better phrase, “coming out of the closet”, and are still nervous about packing out public places (bars and other places which are not accustom to having our crowd) with gamers. What we need to recognize is, this is what keeps ESPORTS running. 2) My second point is that MLG is providing a service. Make people pay for it! You’re a business, you need money to operate. You will never see Cablevision just not charge for a month because last months’ revenue was huge. Services are NOT free, please do not toy with the communities mind and make them think that once in a while you’ll flip-flop from business to buddy. I will guarantee that if I do not have to pay to watch the stream in the quality I want, I will at a minimum be donating, as should the rest of you. I would like to strongly urge MLG Sundance, as well as the rest of the community, to not let ESPORTS be hindered in any way from growing. I’m a strong believer in ESPORTS and if any of you are also, please tweet MLG Sundance and everyone else in ESPORTS(Professional players, casters, staff members, bloggers ETC) this post. Twitter: @REFLEX86 -Tommy- REFLEX_500 why did you post your twitter at the end of your post? lol | ||
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Tyree
1508 Posts
On June 24 2012 06:02 VirgilSC2 wrote: Your reading comprehension is clearly under par. He's not saying "WE MADE SO MUCH MONEY WITH THE ARENAS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM TO YOU FOR FREE NOW" He's saying "We were able to turn a profit with the Pay-Per-View model, but thanks to the astounding numbers we pulled at our Spring Championship event we were able to secure more investments which will allow us to bring you that content on the same freemium model that our Championship events use" I wish people would think before they say something stupid. I re read what he said and... i was right. The PPV model did not work out for them, it was a model they tried but saw declining numbers. You can be as condescending as you want, but it only clouds your own judgement. | ||
ShatterZer0
United States1843 Posts
On June 23 2012 20:05 nymfaw wrote: I dont care, russians stream it everytime anyway. Thanks for the megafrown bro :[ | ||
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MrMatt
Canada225 Posts
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On June 24 2012 05:47 Tyree wrote: If something is doing "well" then you continue to charge for it, if however its doing badly you change your business practice. It clearly was not making enough money, they even slashed the price and if looking at this decision, even that didnt work. eSports is just not ready for a PPV model, fine that they tried but there are about 200 reasons why its not even close to being ready for that. UFC PPVs are down from 2005-2007 era, WWE PPVs are down, only draws in boxing are Mayweather and Pacman, the whole model of PPV is in danger. How can a competitive gaming company hope it would go well for them when much larger companies with a marketing machine of millions of dollars cant make it work most of the time? Those of you who really believe that they are doing this because "gosh darnit we made so much money that we just have to give it out for free!" are pretty naive and gullible. I cannot wait for Apple to start giving out free Iphones and Ipads because they have been making billions the last couple of years, surely this is normal practice for successful companies? Haha darn, am I the only one who doesn't have access to all of MLGs financial information and records? I wish I could make an objective opinion on whether the PPV arenas were compelte failures or not and if this entire thing is simply good PR to recoup losses from said PPV arenas. | ||
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Robinsa
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