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On June 24 2012 05:30 Scootaloo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 05:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:On June 23 2012 12:14 Boblhead wrote:
Sundance finally realizes that you can run a free stream and still remain profitable
>Literally took him fucking 2+ years to realize this? Please tell us more about your knowledge in this area, it sure sounds interesting. Ting from IPL says there is no need to ever go PPV, he might not be making profits, but he never intended to, meaning that as Sundance went into this scene looking for the big bucks that might just be the wrong approach to a scene like this, especially when it's still so young. And Biscuit, bitching about somebody providing no deep analysis is only valid if you follow it up with some knowledgeable information yourself.
On the other hand, IPL is backed by IGN, which is a very profitable gaming website, whereas MLG is just a company organizing competitive gaming events, not backed by a mother company. Basically, MLG has to be profitable, especially with the amount of events they organize each year.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community.
Wait a minute!! How is a business charging for a service it provides a poor business decision?!
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I like this move, I don't mind having lower quality as long as those who pay for it gets this little extra bonus worth the money they charge.
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On June 24 2012 06:30 REFLEX_500 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community. Wait a minute!! How is a business charging for a service it provides a poor business decision?! REFLEX_500
Why do you sign your posts?
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On June 24 2012 06:30 REFLEX_500 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community. Wait a minute!! How is a business charging for a service it provides a poor business decision?! REFLEX_500
Dude, you know you can just go put your signature to say your own name and it will accomplish the same thing and be less annoying for the rest of us right?
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On June 24 2012 06:30 REFLEX_500 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community. Wait a minute!! How is a business charging for a service it provides a poor business decision?! REFLEX_500
Well lets say for example Yahoo starts to charge money for using their search engine and Google does not, you think thats a smart business decision from yahoo?
Same thing applies to MLG, is it smart to charge for a event when you can watch basically the same thing a week or even sometimes a few days later for free?
I dont think so.
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On June 24 2012 06:30 REFLEX_500 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community. Wait a minute!! How is a business charging for a service it provides a poor business decision?! REFLEX_500
It may or may not have been a poor business decision after all, which may or may not have led to them making it free after trying it twice?!
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:53 TheSir wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:30 REFLEX_500 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community. Wait a minute!! How is a business charging for a service it provides a poor business decision?! REFLEX_500
Well lets say for example Yahoo starts to charge money for using their search engine and Google does not, you think thats a smart business decision from yahoo?
Same thing applies to MLG, is it smart to charge for a event when you can watch basically the same thing a week or even sometimes a few days later for free?
I dont think so.
Well if you don't support the company providing the content, then you won't pay for it. Maybe what MLG should do, is make a fee for all of the content? I don't think that the guy who puts the VODs online does it for free. Why should MLG not charge for it?
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On June 24 2012 06:12 Tyree wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 06:02 VirgilSC2 wrote:On June 24 2012 05:47 Tyree wrote:
If something is doing "well" then you continue to charge for it, if however its doing badly you change your business practice.
It clearly was not making enough money, they even slashed the price and if looking at this decision, even that didnt work.
eSports is just not ready for a PPV model, fine that they tried but there are about 200 reasons why its not even close to being ready for that. UFC PPVs are down from 2005-2007 era, WWE PPVs are down, only draws in boxing are Mayweather and Pacman, the whole model of PPV is in danger. How can a competitive gaming company hope it would go well for them when much larger companies with a marketing machine of millions of dollars cant make it work most of the time?
Those of you who really believe that they are doing this because "gosh darnit we made so much money that we just have to give it out for free!" are pretty naive and gullible.
I cannot wait for Apple to start giving out free Iphones and Ipads because they have been making billions the last couple of years, surely this is normal practice for successful companies? Your reading comprehension is clearly under par. He's not saying "WE MADE SO MUCH MONEY WITH THE ARENAS THAT WE WANT TO GIVE THEM TO YOU FOR FREE NOW" He's saying "We were able to turn a profit with the Pay-Per-View model, but thanks to the astounding numbers we pulled at our Spring Championship event we were able to secure more investments which will allow us to bring you that content on the same freemium model that our Championship events use" I wish people would think before they say something stupid. I re read what he said and... i was right. The PPV model did not work out for them, it was a model they tried but saw declining numbers. You can be as condescending as you want, but it only clouds your own judgement.
I don't see anything about declining numbers in anything about what he said.
I think the only evidence you have of declining numbers is terrible math and rough estimates looking at total TwitchTV viewers during Arena broadcasts.
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This ''REFLEX'' guy is not doing the forum right is he?
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freemium model is the way to go. Ask LOL about that :D
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Thank you!!!
I loved the MLG arenas, they were so good and I was sad that they were so expensive  This is very good news, I don't care if I have to watch lots of ads, as long as I support eSports and MLG can continue to produce awesome tournaments. Thanks guys.
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I like these news, I feel it's fair that you can watch the events for free, and that the people who pay get, say, better quality of the streams.
And this REFLEX dude... is doing it wrong.
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On June 24 2012 07:34 REFLEX_500 wrote:
Doing what wrong?
REFLEX_500
It's okay I fixed it for you.
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+ Show Spoiler +On June 24 2012 06:26 Robinsa wrote:
Good thing, for everyone. Im glad MLG realised this was a poor buisness decision and backed down. It means a lot for the future of both them and the community.
The arenas were a separate and self-sustaining part of MLG. It was not a poor business decision and it did not appear to in any way effect the viewership of their large events.
Also they didn't "back down". LoL gave them a ton of viewership, which translates to sponsor dollars. They aren't doing this because they have to, they are doing it because now that they picked up LoL, which is likely going to become their #1 game, they can do this.
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I really hated MLG for the PPV arenas, and it was the only time I ever said "killing esports". But if it's free then good I'm happy and I'll forgive them for the previous one.
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REFLEX reminds me of a guy 2 or 3 years ago who would post and sign his posts with an image with his nick full of lens-flare and lighting effects haha
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Yay for Robert as he saves Esports on the gd studio as he says Dreamhack will never have pay walls for hd streams. MLG accepts defeat and surrenders pay model.
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