On June 22 2012 18:58 FinalForm wrote: Hostility against the OP because he just whining to us. We aren't blizzard, we can't do anything about it, and its 2v2s so most of us don't care, take your whine somewhere else.
that is stupid. its still an issue and i find it sad that the community just throws a issue out of the window because you dont care. that "most of us dont care" attitude is the exact reason the game is the way it is now and the exact reason why we are getting patch 1.5 2 years late.
this is still a game many of us paid for so why ignore team games? because its not a esport? i see ppl whining about the carrier being taken out of the game in HoTS. why are ppl allowed to whine about the carrier for an expansion that is still in the alpha phase and not even released yet but we cant complain about current issues?
seriously people.... do you know why ppl dont care about team games? its because blizzard refuses to balance it. and why do blizzard refuse to balance it? because the majority of the community, such as yourself, do not care. if the maps are atleast decent then alot more ppl would play team games. if its balanced enought there could even be team leagues apart from 1v1 leagues, but the community just doesnt give a fuck about anything except for 1v1 which is very, very sad.
i would love for esports to grow so huge for the game to be balanced enough that 2v2s and even 4v4s are seen played by pro players in MLG or GSL as a nice change of pace from 1v1 games. but that will never happen because of one reason, the community.
Jesus Christ guys... Calm your hormones. Why is there so much caps and swear words going on? We all agree that it's a bad map. OK we got that settled. Furthermore the thread obviously belongs in the battle.net forums. There's no reply needed for this. All that's important is that someone associated with the blizzard map team reads this, and TL is not the best place for that.
On June 22 2012 18:03 FinalForm wrote: Blizzard doesn't care because we don't care. It's 2v2. Go start a 2v2 league with a following as strong as GSL then Blizzard will start paying more attention to maps.
People like you annoy the shit out of me, why compare 2v2 on the same level as GSL you moron, 2v2 is a very fun part to the game and alot of people play it, just because it doesnt get as much notice as the GSL or MLG doesnt mean blizzard shouldnt improve it dont comment if your going to be a dick.....rant over
On June 22 2012 19:14 Euronyme wrote: Jesus Christ guys... Calm your hormones. Why is there so much caps and swear words going on? We all agree that it's a bad map. OK we got that settled. Furthermore the thread obviously belongs in the battle.net forums. There's no reply needed for this. All that's important is that someone associated with the blizzard map team reads this, and TL is not the best place for that.
Ok. I checked the forums out. I dont even know where the stick this. Bug? This isnt a bug. This is probably intended by the way teamgame maps go.
Do I dump this in strategy forums where mods dont even touch and random /b/ quality posts such as "Can we count to 1000 before a blue post" thrive? Not very likely.
So pray tell me, where do I even put this? Theres no "Map discussion"
And finally, I posted it here so people on TL are aware of the abuse, and my audience was aimed towards [2v2], hence the title. Also, judging by the amount of changes we had in team game maps, I doubt Blizzard gives half a shit about it even if I did post it on the Bnet Forums.
I admit when I made the post I was a bit annoyed towards Blizzard, but changing the entire tone from "Fuck you Blizzard" to "Abuse I found on this map" is a bit late now.
On June 22 2012 18:03 FinalForm wrote: Blizzard doesn't care because we don't care. It's 2v2. Go start a 2v2 league with a following as strong as GSL then Blizzard will start paying more attention to maps.
"We" don't care? speak for yourself or don't speak at all. I care and so does the OP and multiple people in this thread. And don't compare it to GSL. GSL has nothing to do with what the OP i saying. I agree OP. If the maps were atleast decent there would be alot more 2v2 leagues. Tact's will get tried out and maybe even some transferred to 1v1. Not with the crap maps that is now tho.
This title is better. Perhaps those who are posting on this thread could get together and make sure the post on Blizzard forums got some activity? Oh and I feel like it shouldnt simply focus on that one map.
On June 22 2012 18:03 FinalForm wrote: Blizzard doesn't care because we don't care. It's 2v2. Go start a 2v2 league with a following as strong as GSL then Blizzard will start paying more attention to maps.
insult the game you play more. I'll never understand people like you, instead of trying to fix issues you sweep them under the rug with a pretentious attitude
This sucks for 2v2 players, but TBH I would much prefer Blizzard focusing on fixing things wrong with interface and 1v1 stuff before they focus 2v2 games and map pool....
On June 22 2012 18:03 FinalForm wrote: Blizzard doesn't care because we don't care. It's 2v2. Go start a 2v2 league with a following as strong as GSL then Blizzard will start paying more attention to maps.
insult the game you play more. I'll never understand people like you, instead of trying to fix issues you sweep them under the rug with a pretentious attitude
Where was he insulting the game at all? He was just stating facts. Well over 50% of the people playing are doing so 1v1 or custom games. Tournaments are all 1v1, Blizzard is going to focus on the important things first(No offence meant to team players, but 1v1 has peoples career on the line.)
On June 23 2012 08:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote: This sucks for 2v2 players, but TBH I would much prefer Blizzard focusing on fixing things wrong with interface and 1v1 stuff before they focus 2v2 games and map pool....
Unfortunately for those playing 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 they have already been completely ignored for about a year now. It has been about 5 seasons or so since new maps were put in(2v2 FINALLY got new maps this season and they both have issues). We play this game too and it would take one person to fix this problem. Not a whole team. Hell they could have a damn map making contest and let the map makers like Diamond get some maps onto multiplayer as well.
I really wish there was a professional 2 v 2 tournament. I believe there was something like that for BW, I wonder if there will ever be a high level competition in SC2?
On June 22 2012 18:03 FinalForm wrote: Blizzard doesn't care because we don't care. It's 2v2. Go start a 2v2 league with a following as strong as GSL then Blizzard will start paying more attention to maps.
insult the game you play more. I'll never understand people like you, instead of trying to fix issues you sweep them under the rug with a pretentious attitude
Where was he insulting the game at all? He was just stating facts. Well over 50% of the people playing are doing so 1v1 or custom games. Tournaments are all 1v1, Blizzard is going to focus on the important things first(No offence meant to team players, but 1v1 has peoples career on the line.)
Everyone I know doesn't enjoy the solo aspect of playing 1v1 so I'd love to see some statistics of that. And no TL polls dont count because this community is largely based on 1v1 play. Don't get me wrong, I love watching the pro's and I do so all the time, but I feel team games need SOME attention. Yes 1's should get more because of the E-Sport side of it and it should be a lot more attention. I also feel the game should be balanced almost exclusively around 1's. That does not mean that making a few maps that are less broken for team players shouldn't happen.
On June 23 2012 08:06 Necro)Phagist( wrote: This sucks for 2v2 players, but TBH I would much prefer Blizzard focusing on fixing things wrong with interface and 1v1 stuff before they focus 2v2 games and map pool....
Unfortunately for those playing 2v2, 3v3, or 4v4 they have already been completely ignored for about a year now. It has been about 5 seasons or so since new maps were put in(2v2 FINALLY got new maps this season and they both have issues). We play this game too and it would take one person to fix this problem. Not a whole team. Hell they could have a damn map making contest and let the map makers like Diamond get some maps onto multiplayer as well.
Hey if they do it like that, then awesome! All I'm saying is IF they have to actually put a dedicated team on it, I'd rather that they just focus on 1v1 due to the what I said in an earlier post(People have careers and lives based off 1v1 play etc.)
Anyone remember how a terran could rush a tank drop on LT, BW version, on the 3 'oclock base? Probably not, because there were PGT, Iccup, brain?, and other versions made without that little cliff in the very top right corner.
this might be a shocker, but blizzard hasn't updated their team map pool in quite some time, so why would you expect blizzard to suddenly care?
between 1.5 arcade, HotS, mists of panda and managing and updating D3, I think blizzard has enough on their plate to not give a shit about how balanced 2v2 is at the moment.
since blizzard ain't doing shit to help you, maybe you should come up with counter strategies. Burrow your entire army right where he is likely to siege, then pounce. Get tanks on the high ground prior to the engagement. Get void rays to attack from above or something.... I'm sure you can think of ways to counter this strategy other than hoping blizzard will hear your QQ and come to the rescue.
Sorry OP, but this is the wrong place to post about 2v2s. Nobody here really plays 2v2 being that competative Starcraft has for the most part revolved around 1v1. That's why Blizzard balances the game around 1v1 and mapmakers specifically concentrate on 1v1 mode.
On June 22 2012 18:03 FinalForm wrote: Blizzard doesn't care because we don't care. It's 2v2. Go start a 2v2 league with a following as strong as GSL then Blizzard will start paying more attention to maps.
insult the game you play more. I'll never understand people like you, instead of trying to fix issues you sweep them under the rug with a pretentious attitude
Where was he insulting the game at all? He was just stating facts. Well over 50% of the people playing are doing so 1v1 or custom games. Tournaments are all 1v1, Blizzard is going to focus on the important things first(No offence meant to team players, but 1v1 has peoples career on the line.)
He was looking down on the 2v2 game mode, its not hard to infer that. I think that attitude is hilariously stupid because people who talk up starcraft talk down different gamemodes: "Esports exists but only in 1v1 SC2" mentality, and everything else must be hated on.
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