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On June 16 2012 05:27 Liquid`NonY wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 05:06 MicroTastiC wrote:On June 16 2012 04:57 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I'd like the player pit and lounge to be connected and designed to hold nearly every player that's competing at once. Make part of the player lounge go backstage? I think backstage at most venues is pretty spacious. If that's not possible, maybe start the floor plan from scratch. I'm sure a ton of thought and refinement has gone into the current floor plan but the event has evolved and there are new things being demanded of the floor plan.
I'd like there to be a bunch of 40in+ monitors surrounding the player pit showing matches (can be first person views of players). For example, stations 1-5 could have the best matches of the round with 10 corresponding monitors. Fans shouldn't have to strain to see a player's monitor. Players shouldn't be crowded by fans (this hasn't been a major issue for players afaik, fans are respectful, but it's a matter of atmosphere).
Stations 1 and 2, which are on a mini-stage with big monitors hanging above the players, allowing a crowd to watch more easily, are just copies of stations done for Halo. I don't think they are good for SC2 because playing SC2 is much more sensitive than playing Halo so whenever a ref or a player at the other station is walking on the stage, it's disruptive. Fans crowd the area and again that hasn't been a huge issue but it's a matter of atmosphere. Players should feel like they have a nice barrier and I think that's possible without causing fans to feel like they're too remote. I think because of the nature of the game, this wasn't an issue for Halo but it's a bit different for SC2. I think monitors around the player pit could serve the purpose of the mini-stage better.
I think the player pit should have an area designated for fan interaction. If a player just won a match that was on the monitors, he ought to be able to go mingle with the fans. I would hope it'd become a thing. Fans would know that the player is there specifically for them so the fans who do not want to be a disturbance to players can comfortably approach. When the player wants to leave for rest or the next match, it'd be natural to say bye and walk back into the player pit (as opposed to walking through the venue's open floor and having to decline 10 fans in a 50 foot walk).
Extra chairs in the player pit would be nice but definitely a luxury. There should be plenty of seating in the player lounge. Floor planning sounds nice on paper. But who will pay for the large costs? And are there reports on whether tournament hosters are actually making an operating income? Staff are grunty probably because they are paid so shitty. What would happen if the floor was empty 3/4s for the year. Is it only for an eSports venue? Then that is a waste of money/space. I doubt the executives will authorize a large budget for eSports which generate poor income for the company. It seems like you don't know what MLG is or how it operates because I feel like your questions and concerns aren't really applicable. MLG's only business is eSports. They have a huge budget and have proven repeatedly that they can make costly adjustments if they yield a better experience for fans or players. They don't have their own venue but rather a bunch of trucks full of equipment and they rent out halls from convention centers across the US. They're all just big ass halls that fit MLG's floor plan, which has barriers of curtains, ropes and lines of booths as well as using the convention center's walls. There are limits on the sizes of the halls but MLG can arrange their equipment and stages however they like. I'm sure there are a ton of issues with designing the floor plan that I'm ignorant of so I can only express the shortcomings of the current plan and maybe they'll look into a redesign that deals with the new variables.
Yup, we already had a really nice thread last week going in detail how tournament organizers like MLG could improve their production quality, which touched base on a lot of the points you made.
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MLG generally takes feedback from the community very seriously. I think they'll take all of the concerns and constructive criticism into account for Raleigh.
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Was asked to leave, left, heard Koreans were not being kicked out so walked back in and stayed. That was farily offensive to be honest... But they didn't say anything more after that.
I was annoyed that they wanted people out (because I was watching team mates play and hanging out with people I dont get to see very often, plus it's one of the few areas you can actually sit down during the later stages of the event), but if it had been a consistent "no pro-badge, not playing" ban then it would have been fine - the only really bad part was that they made no attempt of enforcing this on any Korean, pro-badge/eliminated or not, didn't matter.
I think this is the first bad experience I've had with MLG staff in ... quite a number of events now. They mostly seem to try pretty hard/pretty friendly about it when they have to ask someone to leave or something like that.
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On June 16 2012 01:55 delo wrote:Show nested quote +On June 16 2012 01:08 vnlegend wrote:
This isn't really a matter of rules. It's a company trying to make money vs the little insignificant guys. Sure, you paid to compete and whatever, but they took your money knowing you'd never make it anyway, unless you were good/known/pro, etc. They want people to see Boxer, and spend more $$, not a random unknown dude. It's /at least/ a matter of rules, as well as floor plan layout, scheduling, and a number of other event operation issues. So let's think about potential solutions instead of theorycrafting about MLG's possible motivations. - Extend roped off area behind player stations outward and add chairs for teammates/coaches/etc (so they can watch w/o completely restricting the view from outside the rope). Should be enough room for refs to traverse from station to station w/o interfering with teammate/coach spectating. - Personally, I'd like to see a larger percentage of player stations - perhaps all of them at some point - have decently-sized LCD screens (42"?) mirroring player cams which are elevated above each respective player station. Think a "light" version of the feature stations in which the LCD screens are elevated but the player stations are still ground-level as they are now. If there's more space behind the player stations, then this would help ameliorate spectating issues from outside the rope. I know this would be expensive, but I think it'd be worth it in the long run. - With extended area behind the player stations, more latitude could be given in terms of accommodating additional folks in the player area, so MLG could then grant additional "coach" badges and perhaps allow eliminated players the opportunity to stay in the player area as well. Just my two cents.
I think the idea of extending the ropes back a bit is great because as of right now, sure, it is great to really see the monitors and such, but Spectatetors basically breathe down players' backs as they play, and there is little room for people within the ropes to observe. So things like chairs for the coaches and team members can only add to the excitement because then it is like watching the game with those guys anyways
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On June 19 2012 01:33 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Was asked to leave, left, heard Koreans were not being kicked out so walked back in and stayed. That was farily offensive to be honest... But they didn't say anything more after that.
I was annoyed that they wanted people out (because I was watching team mates play and hanging out with people I dont get to see very often, plus it's one of the few areas you can actually sit down during the later stages of the event), but if it had been a consistent "no pro-badge, not playing" ban then it would have been fine - the only really bad part was that they made no attempt of enforcing this on any Korean, pro-badge/eliminated or not, didn't matter.
I think this is the first bad experience I've had with MLG staff in ... quite a number of events now. They mostly seem to try pretty hard/pretty friendly about it when they have to ask someone to leave or something like that.
Yea, inconsistency is the worst.
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I have an idea for us asians.
We go to primezzang.com , purchase prime clan jerseys.
grow our hair out korean style
now we are allowed 24/7 in player area because we are apart of the prime clan.
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a lot of the complaining in the reddit thread was that MLG discriminates between who's let in the player area and who isn't. most of these posts advocated a "if i paid the same as incontrol then i should have the same access as him" attitude, which is fine.
at the same time, incontrol and other players seem to be arguing for the same kind of discrimination, because his personal perspective is that he gets a lot of attention when he's not in the player area and he wants to watch and support his teammates and friends. this is also fine.
so how does MLG manage these competing demands from amateurs and professionals while maintaining a consistent policy of who is allowed to go inside the ropes of the pit whenever they want? keep in mind they already have a pro lounge for their seeded pool players, and there isn't enough space/staff/money to provide a "not pro but still well known" player lounge.
there might also be an informal policy among the staff that the player pit would be an acceptable location for korean players, because they are all at a tournament where nobody is speaking their language and thus need a place with easy access to translators/staff who can help them figure out when and where they have to play next.
their options seem to be as follows:
1) allow all 144 competitors access to the small player pit whenever they want. this pleases the amateur group but crowds the player pit and is a headache for tournament organizers who have to worry about tournament integrity but want to still allow teams to support their players.
2.) allow nobody into the player pit after they've been eliminated. this pleases people who warrior for fairness and equality, but would piss off most of the players who can't watch and support their team. this is also impossible to enforce as there are too many entry points and you can't expect venue staff to recognize who is still in the tournament and who isn't.
are any of these two options better than what MLG is doing right now, considering that this community is adamantly against MLG choosing who is "important" and who isn't?
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On June 16 2012 04:27 Doodsmack wrote:
This doesn't really concern anyone other than the players, teams and MLG.
I can understand why you would say this, as it's only people in those groups that have been affected by this treatment, however, as some of the suggestions involve MLG spending more money on the event to solve the problem, the suggested solutions bring an impact on others, such as MLG's costs which, as true in any customer / business relationship, are passed on to the customer. Some of you guys that think MLG is a big company with a big budget to be spent on appeasing players to make them happy are pretty naive. MLG won't spend a single dollar to make players happy if they don't expect that investment to make them money. Period.
I'm looking through the thread and haven't seen a suggestion of paying for the additional costs of any suggestion by taking it out of the prize pool. Only increasing MLG's cost with no shared cost to the players. Only MLG and their customers.
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But if you want the ultimate solution, then the teams should get together and form their own "MLG entity" and do it better than MLG. That way, everyone would have a utopia, everyone would be happy, and e-sports would explode, since everybody knows how to do things better than MLG. Let's see how that works out.
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I have to say.... MLG event is so much nicer than Comiket. No bathroom break during 3hr BO3? The bathroom line there is 3hr. It's a frigging huge event with a lot of people over a long period of time. Everyone needs to make some concessions, including the staff, competitor and viewers. Staff should not treat others rudely, but at the same time, I saw way more problems with unreasonable attendees. MLG (and every other tournament organizer) should continue to improve the experience there. On the other hand, if you can't handle been at an event with all those people for long time, with limited space and accommodations, you probably should stay at home and watch the stream.
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On June 18 2012 13:30 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
I don't know about the rest of the venues, but at MLG Anaheim there was plenty of space to extend the competitor's area. There were huge gaps of space.
Same thing at Columbus
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On June 18 2012 13:30 LlamaNamedOsama wrote:
I don't know about the rest of the venues, but at MLG Anaheim there was plenty of space to extend the competitor's area. There were huge gaps of space.
I'm not an event expert, but I can imagine the fire codes are strict with that many people in attendance. It can and probably will be extended for Raleigh, but I'm sure they have to work within odd restrictions.
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