EPT[Interview] 2012 GSL S3 CodeS Ro32 Group D Winners - Page 7
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Makura
United States317 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On June 15 2012 00:59 FakeDeath wrote: Watch MKP vs Yugioh Code A Game 2. Yugioh is the first one to popularized the 6 queen build in a televised match not Nestea. Nestea though uses the 6 queen build twice against TheStC. Basically, you do the 4 queen build and instead delay your gas to 50 foodish for the additional 2 queens(hence 6 queen). After that, plant quadruple gases and take a third or macro hatch and transition. Its a solid build around since 4 queen spreading creep and push back hellions back much easier and also defend banshee harass much easier. Though i feel kinda bad for terran though since i literally can drone up as much as i want with 4 queens as my defense and 2 for injecting hatches.Doesn't matter whether they go triple CC when i can drone as much as i want for 3 bases so easily. XD That seems really reminiscent of Spanishiwa's Ice Fisher from a year ago. Damn, seems like the guy was months ahead of the metagame then :p | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
all he said was he thought about leaving for a long time... gah, bad interviewer! | ||
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sc2guy
291 Posts
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Shiori
3815 Posts
On June 15 2012 02:00 sc2guy wrote: what is a barcode terran? guys on ladder with names like "|||||||||||||" it's a thing sponsored players do to avoid revealing their strategies. | ||
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2014 Posts
Trololol | ||
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sc2guy
291 Posts
On June 15 2012 02:01 Shiori wrote: guys on ladder with names like "|||||||||||||" it's a thing sponsored players do to avoid revealing their strategies. oic, like flash! =) | ||
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Huggerz
Great Britain919 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On June 15 2012 00:39 Diavlo wrote: April 2011 before blue flamme, ghost, thor nerfs,etc Terran is the weakest race... Haha, i remember that one...Lets be serious here people, nestea will probably say that zerg is the weakest race too. It's in those korean progamers nature to feel like they are doing badly and something is holding them back, its what makes them strive to do better. | ||
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Huggerz
Great Britain919 Posts
On June 15 2012 01:54 Makura wrote: Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be? What do you mean, "when they shouldn't be"? We see all the time Zergs just building 6 queens and a macro hatch then making nothing but drones for however long they feel like. All ining should be a reasonable punish against this sort of greed. As it stands Zerg all ins are genuinely more reliable than Terran's in TvZ, purely because of queens (spinecrawlers to an extent, also). | ||
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Paljas
Germany6926 Posts
MVP:"I haven’t won a single game against Nestea lately.". haha. and very cool motivational last answer from mvp. | ||
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Blyadischa
419 Posts
On June 15 2012 01:54 Makura wrote: Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be? No, it means that if zerg can hold all-ins, zerg can hold any sort of aggression at any point in time with the new queen buff. TvZ has always been about being aggressive and forcing the zerg to react and build lings/roaches instead of drones and having to delay their third. It has always been the case in TvZ that, if the terran's aggression is not successful, then they lose. This is like the TvP situation, except that in TvZ, it used to be possible to pressure the zerg. Terran is just kind of fucked for now. Mvp says we need a revolutionary, but I don't think it's possible anymore. Terran has had like 2 buffs total (BC speed and some other thing that's probably insignificant also), and has been nerfed almost every patch. Terran has been successful only because terran players have had to innovate. The other races just kind of rode the bitch-wagon and got buffs until they are where they are now. | ||
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RyF
Austria508 Posts
On June 15 2012 01:54 Makura wrote: Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be? lol? lategame is even worse. guess why terrans are all inning? pff... | ||
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dubRa
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usethis2
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Schmoooopy
United States448 Posts
Also, I don't necessarily agree with Genius's balance proposal. Seems too extreme. | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On June 15 2012 00:52 FakeDeath wrote: Wow i guess DRG should win this season since terran can't figured out ways to deal with the new queen buff yet. DRG really distinguishes himself from all these whiny T/Z/P players. Even when Zs were dying left and right (including himself) he never complained about balance. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
It's getting on my nerves, and honestly, if it was as bad as they pretend it is, they wouldn't have won in the first place. MVP says he can't beat Zerg at all, and in the same interview says the plan was for him and Happy to meet in the winner's match. I conclude that he's lying somewhere, and since he beat Zerg today, i know which part is not true. Genius almost (not quite, but close) worse with his supercool Larva ideas. I know most people don't have a problem with that, else Idra wouldn't have a billion fans, but this shit is why I read very few interviews anymore. And that's what grinds my gears. | ||
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zezamer
Finland5701 Posts
On June 15 2012 02:13 usethis2 wrote: I have been saying that lowering the max number of larvae sustained by a hatchery is the way to go. Lowering it from 19 to something like 14/15 should be a good start. Nerfing queen inject might be too much. Most of the T/P trouble against Z is late game anyway. Broodlord/Ultra whatever tech T/P is struggling against is really cheap on larva. aka you get a lot of supply per larva | ||
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ohampatu
United States1448 Posts
Come on mods. I know the MVP and Genius both balanced complaint, but can we keep the thread from becoming full of Terran whiners please? We dont need the fanbases of these players making balance complaints now. What MVP said isn't even that unknown. MVP said if his opponents play perfectly, they win. Thats true for most people. He never said terran couldn't win if played perfectly. If your playing an opponent, and you dont make a mistake, you should expect to win. Now how hard each race is is a different matter, and he didn't talk about it (i know there will be 'BUT TERRAN IS SO HARD' from at least a few people). He made the perfect balance complaint that isn't fully a balance complaint all at one. DRG's quote about Zerg being OP was much stronger. MVP chose his words more carefully. i agree with what other people are saying, MVP is king of Interviews because i think he MindGames ALL OF US with them. | ||
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