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Makura
Profile Joined December 2010
United States317 Posts
June 14 2012 16:54 GMT
#121
Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be?
SHOW THEM WHAT THE CATFISH COMBO IS ALL ABOUT!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
June 14 2012 16:55 GMT
#122
On June 15 2012 00:59 FakeDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 00:55 Tachion wrote:
Does anyone know of a game where a korean pro has used this 6 queen build? Nestea's ro32 games perhaps?


Watch MKP vs Yugioh Code A Game 2.

Yugioh is the first one to popularized the 6 queen build in a televised match not Nestea.
Nestea though uses the 6 queen build twice against TheStC.

Basically, you do the 4 queen build and instead delay your gas to 50 foodish for the additional 2 queens(hence 6 queen).
After that, plant quadruple gases and take a third or macro hatch and transition.

Its a solid build around since 4 queen spreading creep and push back hellions back much easier and also defend banshee
harass much easier.

Though i feel kinda bad for terran though since i literally can drone up as much as i want with 4 queens as my defense and 2 for injecting hatches.Doesn't matter whether they go triple CC when i can drone as much as i want for 3 bases so easily.
XD


That seems really reminiscent of Spanishiwa's Ice Fisher from a year ago. Damn, seems like the guy was months ahead of the metagame then :p
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
June 14 2012 16:58 GMT
#123
Genius totally dodged that question "WHY" he wants to leave the team.
all he said was he thought about leaving for a long time...
gah, bad interviewer!
moo...for DRG
sc2guy
Profile Joined November 2010
291 Posts
June 14 2012 17:00 GMT
#124
what is a barcode terran?
✿◕‿◕✿ Taeng
Shiori
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
3815 Posts
June 14 2012 17:01 GMT
#125
On June 15 2012 02:00 sc2guy wrote:
what is a barcode terran?

guys on ladder with names like "|||||||||||||"

it's a thing sponsored players do to avoid revealing their strategies.
Darksoldierr
Profile Joined May 2010
Hungary2012 Posts
June 14 2012 17:01 GMT
#126
On June 15 2012 01:49 zerious wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 01:16 torm3ntin wrote:
Wow. So mvp is not Playing tvz, neither tvp. Wha the hell he is doing then?


counting his money


Trololol
What do humans know of our pain? We have sung songs of lament since before your ancestors crawled on their bellies from the sea.
sc2guy
Profile Joined November 2010
291 Posts
June 14 2012 17:02 GMT
#127
On June 15 2012 02:01 Shiori wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 15 2012 02:00 sc2guy wrote:
what is a barcode terran?

guys on ladder with names like "|||||||||||||"

it's a thing sponsored players do to avoid revealing their strategies.


oic, like flash! =)
✿◕‿◕✿ Taeng
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 17:03:27
June 14 2012 17:03 GMT
#128
If MVP struggles to beat Protoss and Zerg then I lose all hope in Terran
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
June 14 2012 17:05 GMT
#129
On June 15 2012 00:39 Diavlo wrote:
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On June 15 2012 00:29 Bagration wrote:
It's definitely an indicator that something may be off when the world's best player is complaining about balance... :|

Congrats MVP and Genius




April 2011 before blue flamme, ghost, thor nerfs,etc
Terran is the weakest race...


Haha, i remember that one...Lets be serious here people, nestea will probably say that zerg is the weakest race too. It's in those korean progamers nature to feel like they are doing badly and something is holding them back, its what makes them strive to do better.
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
June 14 2012 17:07 GMT
#130
On June 15 2012 01:54 Makura wrote:
Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be?


What do you mean, "when they shouldn't be"? We see all the time Zergs just building 6 queens and a macro hatch then making nothing but drones for however long they feel like. All ining should be a reasonable punish against this sort of greed. As it stands Zerg all ins are genuinely more reliable than Terran's in TvZ, purely because of queens (spinecrawlers to an extent, also).
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
June 14 2012 17:08 GMT
#131
nestea said in his interview:"When IM team members practice against each other, the Terrans win most of the time.".
MVP:"I haven’t won a single game against Nestea lately.".
haha.
and very cool motivational last answer from mvp.
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Blyadischa
Profile Joined April 2010
419 Posts
June 14 2012 17:11 GMT
#132
On June 15 2012 01:54 Makura wrote:
Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be?


No, it means that if zerg can hold all-ins, zerg can hold any sort of aggression at any point in time with the new queen buff.

TvZ has always been about being aggressive and forcing the zerg to react and build lings/roaches instead of drones and having to delay their third. It has always been the case in TvZ that, if the terran's aggression is not successful, then they lose. This is like the TvP situation, except that in TvZ, it used to be possible to pressure the zerg. Terran is just kind of fucked for now.

Mvp says we need a revolutionary, but I don't think it's possible anymore. Terran has had like 2 buffs total (BC speed and some other thing that's probably insignificant also), and has been nerfed almost every patch. Terran has been successful only because terran players have had to innovate. The other races just kind of rode the bitch-wagon and got buffs until they are where they are now.
RyF
Profile Joined October 2011
Austria508 Posts
June 14 2012 17:11 GMT
#133
On June 15 2012 01:54 Makura wrote:
Zerg seems strong now but if the reasoning has to do with their ability to hold all ins easily now... doesnt that mean terrans are just all in'ing too much when they shouldnt be?


lol? lategame is even worse. guess why terrans are all inning? pff...
dubRa
Profile Joined December 2008
2165 Posts
June 14 2012 17:12 GMT
#134
Is it me or Mvp and Nestea whines a lot about balance? Funny that they won so many GSL championships with that attitude.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
June 14 2012 17:13 GMT
#135
I have been saying that lowering the max number of larvae sustained by a hatchery is the way to go. Lowering it from 19 to something like 14/15 should be a good start. Nerfing queen inject might be too much. Most of the T/P trouble against Z is late game anyway.
Schmoooopy
Profile Joined July 2011
United States448 Posts
June 14 2012 17:14 GMT
#136
MVP's interviews are always interesting to read. Thanks, storywriter!

Also, I don't necessarily agree with Genius's balance proposal. Seems too extreme.
usethis2
Profile Joined December 2010
2164 Posts
June 14 2012 17:18 GMT
#137
On June 15 2012 00:52 FakeDeath wrote:
Wow i guess DRG should win this season since terran can't figured out ways to deal with the new queen buff yet.

DRG really distinguishes himself from all these whiny T/Z/P players. Even when Zs were dying left and right (including himself) he never complained about balance.
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
June 14 2012 17:19 GMT
#138
Am I the only one that wants pros to finally stop balance-whining in every interview?
It's getting on my nerves, and honestly, if it was as bad as they pretend it is, they wouldn't have won in the first place.

MVP says he can't beat Zerg at all, and in the same interview says the plan was for him and Happy to meet in the winner's match. I conclude that he's lying somewhere, and since he beat Zerg today, i know which part is not true.

Genius almost (not quite, but close) worse with his supercool Larva ideas.

I know most people don't have a problem with that, else Idra wouldn't have a billion fans, but this shit is why I read very few interviews anymore.

And that's what grinds my gears.
A backwards poet writes inverse.
zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 14 2012 17:20 GMT
#139
On June 15 2012 02:13 usethis2 wrote:
I have been saying that lowering the max number of larvae sustained by a hatchery is the way to go. Lowering it from 19 to something like 14/15 should be a good start. Nerfing queen inject might be too much. Most of the T/P trouble against Z is late game anyway.


Broodlord/Ultra whatever tech T/P is struggling against is really cheap on larva. aka you get a lot of supply per larva
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-14 17:22:07
June 14 2012 17:21 GMT
#140

Come on mods. I know the MVP and Genius both balanced complaint, but can we keep the thread from becoming full of Terran whiners please? We dont need the fanbases of these players making balance complaints now.

What MVP said isn't even that unknown. MVP said if his opponents play perfectly, they win. Thats true for most people. He never said terran couldn't win if played perfectly. If your playing an opponent, and you dont make a mistake, you should expect to win. Now how hard each race is is a different matter, and he didn't talk about it (i know there will be 'BUT TERRAN IS SO HARD' from at least a few people). He made the perfect balance complaint that isn't fully a balance complaint all at one.

DRG's quote about Zerg being OP was much stronger. MVP chose his words more carefully. i agree with what other people are saying, MVP is king of Interviews because i think he MindGames ALL OF US with them.

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