On June 09 2012 04:17 SupLilSon wrote:
God damn you Blizzard. How in hell is CK still around in the map pool?? At least tweak it so its not 80% PvT......

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-korean/maps/510

Try 51% in favor of Terran for korean.

Or 55% in favor of toss for international.

I've never seen a GSL Terran win on that Map and looking through the matches most of the Terrans that won that been heads and shoulders above their opponent..

You can win on that Map if you win before 3 Bases but once 3 Bases are up it becomes impossible to stop a HT/Colossi from beeing build and you will probably lose the match. Its just impossible to attack a Toss on 3 Bases on that Map and even drops are almost shutdown just by mapdesign.

Wrong. Go watch some korean weekly pvts on ck. Fxo terrans have shown tank openers into a standard lategame to be extremely strong.

I have seen countless pvts on ck between evenly matched players where the terran winsa legitimate game. You just are not supposed to.play the same style you would on a map like shattered temple.or entombed alley... a concept that seems to go right over many players' heads (especially many foreigners that play the same style on every map)

lol Orb the map used to be 80% pvt at some point. Now its not that bad anymore, still bad, but the tank style isnt coming from fxo terrans every single progamer has tried it on ck from the begginning. That being said the map is intersting and its better than what blizzard usually does, and of u try something new mistakes are to be expected... And lol at bashing foreign progamers, very nice of you

You are baselessly bashing one of the single best spectator maps in starcraft 2s history and you are upset when i bash bad players that play incorrectly? You are the reason I make simple posts like "i want to slap blizzard" because if i write out a long coherent post backed up by factual evidence, someone like you comes along and pulls completely fabricated statistics out of nowhere and argues thing that are straight up wrong.

The map was NEVER at 80% in any matchup. Do your research before you spew such textual diarrhea, or better yet if you have no clue what you are talking about stop trolling and dont post at all

For the record the tank style wasnt used for weeks if not months after ck's release

Just for the record if you adjust TLPD to individual league the stats become 56-44 for Toss. I wanted to see how the GSL record is to see how the stats look like in really important games but couldn't find a way to adjust. The Map is Toss favored once the later stages are reached and different playstyle than Bio become less effective. Tankstyle for example doesn't sound like something that should work after the midgame unless the Toss funnels everything through chokes for whatever reason.

That is like saying a current map is zvt favored for zerg. It's overall game balance, not map balance.

Can you tell me a map that is currently T favored in the lategame for TvP? It's generally understood right now that lategame TvP is slightly P favored, so I dont understand what point you are trying to make.

The way CK is structured its harder to prevent TvP lategame from happening with all the chokes and ramps that are hard to attack up against Storm and/or Colossi.

Adonminus

Israel543 Posts

June 08 2012 21:03 GMT

#383

That's what I wrote on the eu forums as feedback to the maps.

Dear blizzard, I am a high master protoss player around ~1600 points. Condemned bridge is a very nice map and I thank you for making it, don't listen to the haters, just like they didn't like entombed valley at first, they don't like this, however both those map are very similar and take a new step in macro maps.

There is one issue though, even me as a protoss player, I can see that this map is clearly not favorable for zerg players. In the current metagame, zerg must most of the time take a fast 3rd against protoss, and it is not possible on this map, and there's no good alternative 3rd that made it possible for zerg to play like on Tal'darim altar. Please remove the rocks, as the 3rd is already not that "easy" to defend with the high ground behind it and the line of sight blockers.

I would want to say that since you want to encourage macro play with those maps, while allowing players still to be offensive in the early and mid game. (like the good drop location on the high ground against 3rd, or line of sight blocker which allows runbys). There one problem I heard terrans complaining that they can't deal with zerg late game, since they were relying on dealing damage to him in the early game which is not possible due to queen upgrade. I suggest you either remove queen range buff, or make ghosts a possiblity for late game TvZ. As for PvZ, if you remove the rocks, this map will be great for it.

That's all my feedback, I hope you read this. To sum it up: "Remove rocks, then it's perfect map".

I also think the cliff behind the 3rd isn't stupid, it encourages more play using divided forces and not just a moving your deathball. And using the map itself for new strategies.

I also like that blizzard makes new 2v2 maps for the team gamers around there. Also the return of Metalopolis while removing Metropolis, Metalopolis is truly a very fun map to play on.

Spiner

United States360 Posts

June 08 2012 21:04 GMT

#384

When I play zerg on that map im totally going to build a wall separating the 3rd from the highground position where ill have tanks, turrets and thors

MtlGuitarist97

United States1539 Posts

June 08 2012 22:06 GMT

#385

I feel like Molten Crater with a few major changes would make a better 1v1 map than that other shit they put out.

If they moved the third/second main (for allies), made the center slightly more open but also add a few spots with more high ground and remove some of the rocks (as well as the gold base rocks/gold minerals) they have a really good map, but maybe I'm crazy O.o

DeepElemBlues

United States5080 Posts

June 08 2012 22:11 GMT

#386

Condemned Ridge: the evil lovechild of Entombed and Shakuras.

zmansman17

United States2567 Posts

June 08 2012 22:13 GMT

#387

Metapolis needed to go! Glad to see it

Haffi

Korea (North)49 Posts

June 08 2012 23:24 GMT

#388

Metropolis LE is an improved version of this map that will see use in a future ladder season.

So it won't be in Season 8?

Why is it taking them so long to fix it

Valon

United States329 Posts

June 08 2012 23:29 GMT

#389

When wil blizzard learn that their maps are terrible more often than not. I wish they would just get with the program and use tournament maps, with the tournament features. Why do they always wait so long to implement good features.

zEnVy

United States446 Posts

June 08 2012 23:40 GMT

#390

That new map is horribly imbalanced for PvZ. Protoss not only has a ridiculously easy to defend natural and 3rd, but the rocks block the third as well. No idea how a zerg player would win on that unless they all in.

IamPryda

United States1186 Posts

June 08 2012 23:41 GMT

#391

I would rather have Atlantis spaceship but the way Zerg is raping right now I guess it's better they didn't add it. And thank god metal is finally gone

Rippou

Turkey2 Posts

June 09 2012 01:01 GMT

#392

On June 09 2012 06:04 Spiner wrote:
When I play zerg on that map im totally going to build a wall separating the 3rd from the highground position where ill have tanks, turrets and thors

I don't think you will be able to that, because no zerg will play that map.