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JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
June 06 2012 06:14 GMT
#481
On June 06 2012 14:31 QuanticIllusion wrote:
http://drop.sc/192437

Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back)
Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out


That's a Spades replay. I gather you meant to post a Zac one?
ZweiGaming
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada348 Posts
June 06 2012 06:17 GMT
#482
On June 06 2012 15:14 EthanKairos wrote:
Oh, let him play. He'll soon realize that his cheating will get him nowhere in MLG.


The thing is that he took the spot of a REAL player who could get some actual visibility and possible sponsor. Attending MLG can be a career starter. Taking this opportunity away from players is just unacceptable. Other than that, he got paid 200$ to play at MLG and his trip his fully paid (from what i've heard).
VPFaith
Profile Joined April 2011
United States261 Posts
June 06 2012 06:17 GMT
#483
On June 06 2012 15:14 EthanKairos wrote:
Oh, let him play. He'll soon realize that his cheating will get him nowhere in MLG.


He got $200 and a trip to visit California. That's more than 4 playhem dailies and not including the free trip.
Never Give Up
tranmillitary
Profile Joined August 2011
210 Posts
June 06 2012 06:23 GMT
#484
On June 06 2012 15:12 HaagenDazs wrote:
The apm argument is dull, I am a Diamond player and sometimes my apm goes up to 500 in battles. Not the best of the examples but the rest of the premises are valid.


whats ur ave apm?? 80 apm and spike up to over 550?

upload a replay let me see
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 06 2012 06:27 GMT
#485
And here we go again.
VPFaith
Profile Joined April 2011
United States261 Posts
June 06 2012 06:27 GMT
#486
You cannot have 550 apm except if you are Zerg user and select 300 zerglings and morph them into banelings, thats the only time you can have such high apms. My highest apm during battle is no more than 330 and that's with large bio units kiting vs protoss. And the highest protoss apm was around 280ish.
Never Give Up
keuja
Profile Joined November 2011
22 Posts
June 06 2012 06:28 GMT
#487
On June 06 2012 14:51 kmh wrote:
Well, this is pretty obvious. The blink action sequence is EXACTLY identical to every other blink hacker out there. The blink hack used by blink hackers has a very unique and obvious fingerprint. It generates the following sequence of actiosn:

  1. Deselect all units
  2. Blink one individual stalker
  3. Issue attack command to said stalker
  4. Re-select previous selection (without the use of hotkeys)

With this in mind, let's look at the actions in the replay:

+ Show Spoiler +
10:41 HRGzack Deselect all
10:41 HRGzack Blink (Stalker); target: x=28.9,y=129.1
10:41 HRGzack Attack; target: x=22.5,y=123.3
10:41 HRGzack Select Sentry x6 (304ac,e051c,50548,2056c,10694,20868), Stalker x17 (30420,30460,90538,205c4,205cc,210608,20650,1079c,107a4,107a8,207d0,2080c,20818,20820,20858,1086c,10894), Colossus (30768), Immortal x2 (20688,1070c)
--
10:42 HRGzack Deselect all
10:42 HRGzack Blink (Stalker); target: x=29.8,y=133.3
10:42 HRGzack Attack; target: x=23.7,y=127.5
10:42 HRGzack Select Sentry x6 (304ac,e051c,50548,2056c,10694,20868), Stalker x17 (30420,30460,90538,205c4,205cc,210608,20650,1079c,107a4,107a8,207d0,2080c,20810,20818,20820,20858,1086c), Colossus (30768), Immortal x2 (20688,1070c)
--
10:43 HRGzack Deselect all
10:43 HRGzack Blink (Stalker); target: x=31.6,y=130.1
10:43 HRGzack Attack; target: x=23.7,y=127.1
10:43 HRGzack Select Sentry x6 (304ac,e051c,50548,2056c,10694,20868), Stalker x17 (30460,90538,205c4,205cc,210608,20650,1079c,107a4,107a8,207d0,2080c,20810,20818,20820,20858,1086c,10894), Colossus (30768), Immortal x2 (20688,1070c)
---
10:44 HRGzack Deselect all
10:44 HRGzack Blink (Stalker); target: x=30.5,y=126.8
10:44 HRGzack Attack; target: x=24.5,y=127.9
10:44 HRGzack Select Sentry x6 (304ac,e051c,50548,2056c,10694,20868), Stalker x17 (30420,30460,90538,205c4,205cc,210608,20650,1079c,107a4,107a8,207d0,2080c,20810,20818,20858,1086c,10894), Colossus (30768), Immortal x2 (20688,1070c)
---



And once again, as a reminder, let's look at what human code S blink stalker micro looks like:

+ Show Spoiler [squirtle] +
13:59 StarTale Select Stalker x3 (10830,10834,1083c), Immortal (205ec), Deselect 2 units
13:59 StarTale Blink (Stalker); target: x=95.5,y=159.7
14:05 StarTale Select Stalker (10674), Deselect all
14:05 StarTale Blink (Stalker); target: x=97.6,y=155.2
14:06 StarTale Select Stalker x3 (306d4,206e4,10834), Deselect all


Any questions?


That's awesome man thanks.
Actually it'd be great to have a kind of tool to analyze the replays and see if the patterns inside match the ones implemented in the hacks, check the camera locks, etc.
Lobber
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada414 Posts
June 06 2012 06:28 GMT
#488
On June 06 2012 14:53 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 14:47 Lobber wrote:
Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...


Sorry to hear that, my friend mention that he played you at a past MLG and you were a good player. This whole High Rollers Gaming thing sticks like the Gus situation to me. People with a bunch of empty promises trying to cash in on SC2.


Yeah, I knocked out a couple good people at MLG, got knocked out by some okay people... Idk I did good then, but with the HRG thing I just cut my losses, didn't want to start a team search for the 3rd time...
You are not your APM, you are not you ladder ranking.
starrrrlight
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark18 Posts
June 06 2012 06:31 GMT
#489
i understand the emotion behind all the "why oh why blizz?!" posts, but apply some motherfucking brains.
to be 100% sure that someone isnt a maphacker, you have to go over each and every replay said player have played in the same way that OP went over these 2 games. will blizz do that? fuck no.

if blizzard starts spending their resources like that, they would have none left for game/community dev.
reading your posts gives the same feeling as when i see the Galio i just firstblooded in mid write: "nice lag, fuck you riot"
by doing anything, you can become anyone
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
June 06 2012 06:33 GMT
#490
Looks to me like this guy is definitely using a blink hack. I'm not 100% sure about a map hack, but I haven't seen the replays and I rarely decide on where I stand with something like this before I've seen the replay myself. Then again, this guy has been called out before.

One thing, if you're ever trying to convince that someone's using a blink hack through a video, don't select anything, press escape and let us see what he does. Judging from the HP left on these stalkers and the clutch blinkbacks I'd say it's pretty obvious it's a hack.
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
June 06 2012 06:35 GMT
#491
Why are all cheaters/BM misfits Protoss @_@???
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
di3alot
Profile Joined December 2011
172 Posts
June 06 2012 06:36 GMT
#492
he is gonna fail hard or don't show up.

to bad that someone who would deserve this don't gets it because of him.

seems like the blizzard ladder is turning in to a casual/maphacker place.
and i don't see blizzard willing to invest in this.yeah banning people its nice and fine but that doesn't solve the problem.
ROOTIllusion
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1060 Posts
June 06 2012 06:37 GMT
#493
On June 06 2012 15:14 JackDT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 14:31 QuanticIllusion wrote:
http://drop.sc/192437

Notes: Prepared for ovie scouts, knows where my army is constantly + he doesnt check for 3rd (barely sees creep on edge, doesnt even look at it and pulls back)
Most obvious: blink micro with all units selected. Get out


That's a Spades replay. I gather you meant to post a Zac one?

Oops, here's the correct one http://drop.sc/192448
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WhosTheSmuRf
Profile Joined April 2012
United States56 Posts
June 06 2012 06:38 GMT
#494
Funny to see that you found that replay. I remember playing that game yea and I think it's good that you made this post. Especially in that game against me, nobody does a blind 4gate on a map like entombed valey. It also happened to be a strong counter to my buid. I remember thinking something was up the moment he killed my probe around the 8.30 mins.
toiletCAT
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Qatar284 Posts
June 06 2012 06:38 GMT
#495
Oh, look. Someone is actually accusing someone of hacking with definitive proof. I'm surprised TL!
Orracle
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States314 Posts
June 06 2012 06:48 GMT
#496
On June 06 2012 15:36 di3alot wrote:
he is gonna fail hard or don't show up.

to bad that someone who would deserve this don't gets it because of him.

seems like the blizzard ladder is turning in to a casual/maphacker place.
and i don't see blizzard willing to invest in this.yeah banning people its nice and fine but that doesn't solve the problem.


Blizzard ladder has always consisted of hackers. I'm really surprised they haven't learned from their previous years of experience. The only time it isn't an issue is when people take the problems into their own hands. Sadly, Blizzard's greed has really prevented any form of legitimate ladder.

That being said, I do and I don't want this guy to show. Obviously, if he shows, no one will do a thing to him, and it's pretty much saying fuck you Blizzard, get with the times.

On the other hand, this guy doesn't deserve what he got. It takes an opportunity away from a legitimate player who earned his position. That being said, if this guy's games are casted, if this was a PPV, I would literally buy the subscription just to watch.
maartendq
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium3115 Posts
June 06 2012 06:49 GMT
#497
On June 06 2012 13:01 SDream wrote:
He basicly stole a fly ticket and a hotel reservation from someone else, I hope he gets sued.

Sorry, noone will go to jail because they cheated in a video game.
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 06 2012 06:56 GMT
#498
On June 06 2012 14:50 Caihead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 14:47 Lobber wrote:
Zack was talking to me for about a month before MLG Columbus as the team manager/rep for HRG High Rollers Gaming, a eSports team that according to him wanted to break into SC2 and add me to their team. Come and go MLG and about the time Zack was telling me I'd be talking to their CEO and get my tickets and everything payed for the next MLG as I joined the team, then day after day, week after week I wasn't able to contact him or the CEO and after that being the second team to lure me in with good promices then fuck me over after weeks and months of pulling me along... Sigh after that I ended up quitting SC2, a real pain in the ass, over 50% of my time practicing I was promiced to two teams that both gave me nothing, and made me turn down legitimate team offers. I really hope he gets punished or his tickets/hotel taken away, to see someone screw me over, maphack, and get rewarded for me would just be a pain in the ass...


I'm sorry to hear that, we need a Kespa of SC2 so shit like this doesn't happen or go unnoticed / unpunished.


While there would be some good things to this, you must remember how KeSPA had complete control over all it's players. Are you sure you would so quickly put a king in that throne?
Aterons_toss
Profile Joined February 2011
Romania1275 Posts
June 06 2012 06:59 GMT
#499
The fact that they invite people on ladder its the problem in its own, aren't there enough US player with tournament result to invite them based on that.
A good strategy means leaving your opponent room to make mistakes
Douillos
Profile Joined May 2010
France3195 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-06 07:01:38
June 06 2012 07:01 GMT
#500
On June 06 2012 15:49 maartendq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2012 13:01 SDream wrote:
He basicly stole a fly ticket and a hotel reservation from someone else, I hope he gets sued.

Sorry, noone will go to jail because they cheated in a video game.


That should change. And people should be judged by a team liquid or reddit thread. OMG!

On topic. w/e! Hes gonna be the loneliest guy at anaheim ever... probably more so than the lepers in the dark ages!
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