EPTthere is an open bracket that anyone can participate, also i dont think he would have to win at mlg anaheim to prove he's not guilty of hacking
[?] Spades hacking? - Page 87
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
there is an open bracket that anyone can participate, also i dont think he would have to win at mlg anaheim to prove he's not guilty of hacking | ||
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treekiller
United States236 Posts
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
does anyone know where we can get the spades vs theognis replays, because I want to look that moment over a few times in replay, instead of just on stream? | ||
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zhurai
United States5660 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:01 storkman wrote: Idk why everyone is so butt hurt over him hacking i gaurentee 99% of you will never play him on ladder and even if he does win on ladder what does he gain? There isn't a cash prize of a million dollars if he is number one on gm. Him cheating which looks pretty apparent to me really doesn't help him get any better at Sc so really if anything its hurting him get better at Sc. No i'm not saying hacking is right or that he doesn't hack but who cares? Yes cheating is wrong but it's not like he is using cheating to gain anything real(as much as many of you believe that ladder points are real to be truth full they aren't) So for everyone hating him for doing this it's quite ridiculous. and to sideburn i agree 100 percent that the fact that everyone here would get this angry and upset is really silly and extremely sad and that a community as great as this one would lash out and try to ruin this guys career because he got some extra ladder points. and so either 1) everyone says hacking is ok and everyone hacks or 2) basically the competitive (and fair) spirit of a game is ruined. K. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On June 05 2012 12:57 -Kaiser- wrote: People who are saying the CatZ stream sounds biased are forgetting that they reviewed all of the replays beforehand and reached a conclusion so that they knew what to analyze when they came on air. THIS. This was like their 3rd time through the replays. | ||
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CortoMontez
Australia608 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:01 TechNoTrance wrote: I would really like to see an explanation of how his scanning "technique" changed so drastically between regular ladder games and important ones like vs Lucifron. It really does seem physically impossible as well as almost completely improbable. It has been acknowledged by both sides that there are minor flaws in the replay system, where the screen camera can be slightly delayed or off of the actual location. The scans which were shown from Spades' stream (used by Catz to 'compare') had the center of the scan near the very edge of his screen, and it was only there for a split second before he moved away. This is almost entirely consistent with what was seen in the replay, except in the replay he pulled back slightly sooner. The 'magic scans' can only be confirmed as a hack or not by comparing it with a REPLAY, not an FPVoD, as the replay can show different things than a vod. Of course, this only addresses the 'magic scan' issue, but I'm sure that a test replay of this type of scan shouldn't be hard to find (maybe Spades can provide one?) | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:02 boxturtle wrote: Yeah, I don't want to believe it. Leenock, a cheater. He's too cute to be the next Savior. I couldn't give a log of hardened crap about Spades, but not Leenock! I hesitate to label him a cheater depending on what he was talking about -- and especially given how young he is, I think it's not unlikely that he just wanted to loosen up his friend a bit or give very, very general advice -- but that kind of behavior doesn't set a good precedence and is, as I mentioned, just incredibly difficult to police so shouldn't be allowed. (But that is at the discretion of the tournament.) I'm not familiar with the rules at the GSL quals for example, as I've never been myself -- maybe light "taps on the shoulder" are allowed there, though I've never witnessed it on-stream -- which might make him think it permissible. In any case, I doubt Leenock would do such a thing maliciously. | ||
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itsjuspeter
United States668 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:06 sickoota wrote: I don't think any arguments should really be based on sc2's replay cam follow thing, it is, to put it bluntly, a piece of shit, it can't register very fast movements and it smoothes out everything. Did you see the review on the other replays where he wasnt hacking? the replays show perfect movement of screen and where he scans... give it up, it's over. | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
open bracket.... | ||
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Mrvoodoochild1
United States1439 Posts
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Swords
6038 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:01 IdrA wrote: theres a silly amount of coincidences and funny little moves that wouldnt hold water on their own but taken as a whole are pretty suspicious. that on top of the screen movements and apparent screen blocking, particularly in comparison to his play when hes streaming and not hacking, its a pretty convincing argument. IdrA, do you know anything about the stream cheating/Leenock giving players info about games that Mirhi mentioned? | ||
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darthfoley
United States8001 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:07 treekiller wrote: Only an idiot would think Spades is hacking. Thanks for that gem. | ||
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
SUPPOSEDLY, NaNiwa was watching the replay of the games vs NesTea mid-series, which MLG actually has rules against. | ||
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Dosey
United States4505 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:01 cArn- wrote: I don't know how maphacks work, but isn't not going through fog of war to check what your hack is supposed to reveal make it pointless ? In this case he would only see unit movements on the minimap but he still has to know what is moving so ... I'm probably missing something there .. Playing 100% throught the minimap is just not possible, means you never scan to get info. From my understanding of the way it works... People are always caught map hacking because they are constantly looking through fog of war, correct? Well this hack that spades is allegedly using is a hack that shows your FPV "locked" in your last view inside of a fog of war while you are peeking around. Say I click someone's main to check out what's going on, if you're watching my FPV, all you will see is my screen chilling in my base. THIS is why the "magic scan" is such damning evidence. The FPV screen locks at the edge while he continues to scroll up and scan the army because his FPV in a replay CAN NOT show him looking into FoW. | ||
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Cascade
Australia5405 Posts
If he looks at 100% fog of war even a single time in the showmatch, is he free to go then? Would be nice to get a single read that would convince most people on both sides. | ||
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AlexanderDebois
Kyrgyzstan38 Posts
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On June 05 2012 13:06 Risen wrote: You clearly have no idea who you are talking to. He's not the cArn from CS if that's what you mean | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
I hope this will manking some of the defenders thinking a bit. im just a random gm player, now a pro or anything. But im 99,9999% convinced he hacked in those games shown on stream vs lucifron and theognis. i would literally bet my life on it, thats how convinced i am. sad for spades that he still lost vs them. | ||
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lowreezy08
United States143 Posts
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swinkles
131 Posts
Poll: Spades hacking? Yes (221) Not Enough Proof, Must be declared innocent (46) No (19) 286 total votes Your vote: Spades hacking? (Vote): No where do you stand? forget catz/illusion/drewbie being the jury and judge, lets see what the community thinks EDIT: Innocent till proven guilty is probably the best way to go since its such a damning offence, it must be conclusive or else its just character assasination | ||
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