EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 51
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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will.pity
Australia89 Posts
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
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maddogawl
United States63 Posts
I can't find any evidence the type of hack even exists. Seems to me like the OP is someone just looking to tarnish Spades, maybe something happened to tick him off, or maybe he had legit concerns we'll never know unless we can figure out why he made an account to just post this. | ||
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ExO_
United States2316 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:34 Rowrin wrote: Cant believe there are people questioning Spades credibility and not realizing the contradiction in taking the words of a guy with 1 post as law. What if they are basing their opinions not on the guy with 1 post, but on their own observations from the replays? I guess nobody else can develop their own opinions, its all based on the 1 post OP | ||
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hifriend
China7935 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:31 oxxo wrote: Antiga 9:11. Sits at base for 9 seconds macroing yet somehow gets 4 SCVs in gas (the geyser on screen) and gets supply blocked. Still hasn't explained how that is remotely possible for a pro player. That wouldn't even happen for an NA Masters player. Or look at avilo's replay. That one is super shady as well. I mean some of the OP's stuff is kind of exaggerated, but there's plenty of extremely suspicious stuff in the replays he posted. There are so many unsafe or random moves that make no sense without info he shouldn't have. If he was in camera lock mode, he wouldn't have been able to issue commands to those units (without exiting it), and the selections during the time he was on camera lock and looking through the fog wouldn't have been recorded. He would literally have to be staring at his base while doing absolutely nothing for there to be reason to suspect camera lock. | ||
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Gheed
United States972 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: Pro players potentially map hacking to win money from online tournaments is not " meaningless drama " ... ... he was playing in a showmatch sponsored by his own team with no prize for the players. | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:35 ExO_ wrote: What if they are basing their opinions not on the guy with 1 post, but on their own observations from the replays? I guess nobody else can develop their own opinions, its all based on the 1 post OP The vast minority of the people posting probably havn't seen the replays, they are looking at the timestamps and descriptions that the OP posted and figuring it sounds right, must be true. Just look at the first few pages. | ||
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Xiron
Germany1233 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:32 Jinsho wrote: His reply convinced me he is hacking. It is not convincing at all. He jumps right into the accusations and begins talking about them. For me, the case is closed. 'Did you kill my dog?' 'No? Why would I? I didn't! Why would you even think it was me?!' Clearly, I'm guilty because of my shady jumping into the accusations. Sorry bro. | ||
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Spades
United States249 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:30 Neeblet wrote: Ladder games are worthless because there is nothing on the line so he obviously wouldn't maphack there. We need to find some recent online tournaments with spades in it and check out those reps. There was nothing on the line in my showmatch vs LucifroN, there was no prize or anything. This is why I said it wont matter what i post, because you can argue this point. I just want to say, I am extremely upset about this. This hurts my career, as well as my mental state. If you have it in your mind that someone is playing suspicious, It's hard to remained unbiased. You will see suspicious actions everywhere you want to. I ask you go find some replays of your favorite top players, break the replay down and analyze it and I gaurantee you will find suspicious actions. Starcraft 2 is a game of limited information and what you do with it, as well as how you fill in the cracks. A lot is guesswork, experience, and just feeling while you are in the game. Can I accurately explain every suspicious moment? No. I don't know what was going through my mind at that exact moment, you just react on instinct among other things. Did i make some great "questionable" decisions? Yes. Did i make some terrible decisions? Yes. I hope people can remain objective and give me a fair chance when evaluating my play. I made a terrible mistake in the past, and I know it hurts me immensely here. I almost want to just skip Anaheim and retire. But I've decided I know when I'm right, and I'm not going to roll over and die. I don't expect a conclusion resulting in my innocence, or my guilt. So I will just continue playing, and over time I think I will be able to change my tarnished image, and hopefully turn some of you around as well. As for the people sending me PM's, thank you for your support and understanding, I really appreciate it. | ||
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ampson
United States2355 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: Pro players potentially map hacking to win money from online tournaments is not " meaningless drama " ... Posting "evidence" that is very shaky at best but will undoubtedly tarnish the image of a man who plays the game for a living is pretty inconsiderate meaningless drama. He also did it on an account with 1 post, which means that this coward is not even willing to risk his e-legitimacy to point out hacks. He should stand with his original username present his evidence. That way, it would have to be concrete and this wouldn't happen. | ||
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mememolly
4765 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:34 Rowrin wrote: Cant believe there are people questioning Spades credibility and not realizing the contradiction in taking the words of a guy with 1 post as law. you have 47 posts, aside from the huge amount of irony this raises, do you think people should ignore you based of your low post count? | ||
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quarkle
United Kingdom92 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:27 Spades wrote: https://rapidshare.com/files/511877116/5.rar the next 50 or so I havent played any relevant tournaments, I've been just streaming all my games and not doing much besides that. Good stuff Spades. Hope it all works out for you. I can only imagine the amount of extreme pressure you must be feeling. | ||
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joeschmo
United States167 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:34 Rowrin wrote: Cant believe there are people questioning Spades credibility and not realizing the contradiction in taking the words of a guy with 1 post as law. Has it ever occurred to you that the person who posted the replay is the same person who played against Spades and is just more cowardly to post with their usual name or a friend of a friend, something of that nature? Tough call here, honestly though, if you watch a lot of pro games close enough it's easy to convince yourself someone might have a maphack. Starcraft 2 games are littered with coincidences, no matter the league. If you look for something hard enough, you just might find it. I say, NOT GUILTY. | ||
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Serpico
4285 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:38 ampson wrote: Posting "evidence" that is very shaky at best but will undoubtedly tarnish the image of a man who plays the game for a living is pretty inconsiderate meaningless drama. He also did it on an account with 1 post, which means that this coward is not even willing to risk his e-legitimacy to point out hacks. He should stand with his original username present his evidence. That way, it would have to be concrete and this wouldn't happen. Your "evidence" is not going to get much better without a program to actually identify the hacks which blizzard wouldnt allow being used on Bnet and this kind of "evidence" can be very legitimate. | ||
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Crazysc2
United States26 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:30 Neeblet wrote: Ladder games are worthless because there is nothing on the line so he obviously wouldn't maphack there. We need to find some recent online tournaments with spades in it and check out those reps. Homestory cup qualifiers, happened a week or so ago. http://drop.sc/185969 | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: Pro players potentially map hacking to win money from online tournaments is not " meaningless drama " ... Nestea maphacks, heres a replay and a bunch of exaggerated points in time which are completely explainable and have been explained. I'm posting this on a new account too and I know it'll cause shit because SC2 community is hilariously easy to manipulate and love drama and will start raging without watching the replays ROFL at a lot of people in this thread, spades does what people say, then people want more or say he's wrong. You guys are worse than anti vaccination people moving the goal post further and further when they're proven wrong grow up and stop looking like a bunch of mindless nerds on a witchhunt. You screwed over destiny, orb and now spades. I don't like any of them but at some point you idiots will mess up someone who I actually respect because you guys think its "fun" or something ridiculous. SC2 is an amazing game, SC1 was an even better game. Too bad the community is a bunch of fakes acting tough online | ||
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Rowrin
United States280 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:38 mememolly wrote: you have 47 posts, aside from the huge amount of irony this raises, do you think people should ignore you based of your low post count? There is a difference between people with low post counts, or who dont post often, and someone who creates an account to make a single post with. I could argue that since I'm in the group with low post counts, I would be least biased towards favoring people with high post counts. It is all how you view the situation, and there is a lot of that in this thread, nothing conclusive, just a lot of misplaced speculation. | ||
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whiterabbit
2675 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:26 Artok wrote: probably the best post in the thread, im kind of sad that this whole thing is still going without even an opinion of lucifron that he played against. There is no opinion of LucifroN who played those games but we surely have entire PR machine (twitter/reddit) going from CatZ and friends who will do replay analysis, at least someone will benefit from this... On June 05 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: Pro players potentially map hacking to win money from online tournaments is not " meaningless drama " ... If you get X number of replays from any pro player you could, if you really wanted, find "shady" moves from each one of them. That is how much evidence there is for Spades hacking. On June 05 2012 10:30 Neeblet wrote: Ladder games are worthless because there is nothing on the line so he obviously wouldn't maphack there. We need to find some recent online tournaments with spades in it and check out those reps. Look at this 2-posts important part of the community, ready to investigate with prepared and sharpened forks. Feeling so good I bet. Btw, another OPs smurf? | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:30 Neeblet wrote: Ladder games are worthless because there is nothing on the line so he obviously wouldn't maphack there. We need to find some recent online tournaments with spades in it and check out those reps. Do you seriously expect anyone to take you seriously after having created an account just to tell everyone that the evidence Spades provided (after we, the community, forced him to) is totally useless. Whatever reason you have for hating Spades you should just drop it. Let people review the replays and find us the truth. Stop trying to make this worse for the guy than it is. If he did cheat you don't need to help make it worse, if he didn't cheat you are hurting an innocent man. | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On June 05 2012 10:38 ampson wrote: Posting "evidence" that is very shaky at best but will undoubtedly tarnish the image of a man who plays the game for a living is pretty inconsiderate meaningless drama. He also did it on an account with 1 post, which means that this coward is not even willing to risk his e-legitimacy to point out hacks. He should stand with his original username present his evidence. That way, it would have to be concrete and this wouldn't happen. Having not seen the replays I'm totally leaning on the side of 'he's not a hacker' primarily because of hte 1 post account. Whoever posted the OP is confident enough to say with certainty that spades is hacking, but not enough to risk their own credibility. Fuck that. 0 risk character assassinations are BS. | ||
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