[?] Spades hacking? - Page 241

On June 07 2012 03:23 scDeluX wrote:


Thread should not be closed, stop it already. People are making research and others are proofing them, The Avilo "proof" is not 100% but it's post like thoses that are helping, not yours.

On June 07 2012 03:29 the p00n wrote:
Is this perhaps what you mean with 'manually selecting his dropships to order a new command at 17:02'?

http://i.imgur.com/p2Hly.jpg

This is called a waypoint. He never even selects his 2 medivacs. Please tell me you're not this stupid? The same thing goes for the other times you specified in the replay.

On June 07 2012 03:26 gasmeter wrote:


I am not saying that this shouldn't be discussed, as has already been done for the last 240 pages. Comments like 'F*** you spades. F*** hacking.' is very inappropriate and should be kept to oneself.

On June 07 2012 03:25 Ameisenmann wrote:
I don't think there needs to be more evidence than that he queues up 2 medivacs to unload at an unscouted, hidden base without ever looking at it. Theres litteraly no reason he would normally ever do that. If he wouldn't see it, he'd move the medivacs to another base and maybe accidentially scout the hidden one, look at the medivacs, select them and THEN unload. But no. Because he sees everything he just does it blindly.

On June 07 2012 03:30 toiletCAT wrote:


When is it going to end? Avilo just thought he could pull a Sherlock Holmes on everyone and as soon as he did, a load of people jumped to insane conclusions without even having the slightest understanding of what he said. This is going to be a neverending attempt to "catch" Spades, despite that every single piece of evidence has failed.

On June 07 2012 03:30 toiletCAT wrote:


When is it going to end? Avilo just thought he could pull a Sherlock Holmes on everyone and as soon as he did, a load of people jumped to insane conclusions without even having the slightest understanding of what he said. This is going to be a neverending attempt to "catch" Spades, despite that every single piece of evidence has failed.

On June 07 2012 02:26 avilo wrote:


I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.

You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?

16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line

16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base

16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.

16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?

16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...

17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.

17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.

Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.

What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.

On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.

16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.

17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.

I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.

Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature.
Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.

There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.

On June 07 2012 03:32 ktgster wrote:
The bigger thing you should be looking for in that replay is that drop to the bottom right expansion at around 17:30. He issued the drop command there with absolutely no vision of the base.

On June 07 2012 03:33 Ghanburighan wrote:


Look, that's how discussion works. Someone makes claims, the weight of the claim is estimated (in this case, had it been the case, it would have been 100% proof) and then others find counterarguments. A counter was found to the selecting argument.

No-one has even tried to counter the other points he made, such as dropping into an unscouted ninja expo and readjusting the drop (still without any knowledge of the base) to avoid a completed cannon.

On June 07 2012 03:31 Dodgin wrote:


I think this is the most important point in the entire replay. He sets them to unload before he ever gets vision of the base while his other drop is landing at the north. Shouldn't he be microing that or sending the medivacs at the south to the normal third base location instead?

On June 07 2012 03:31 avilo wrote:


The point I made about the selection I retracted. Everything else about the mini-map queuing (perfectly) + camera locks and repositioning of medivacs for unseen cannons/unseen bases is still there...

On June 07 2012 03:34 the p00n wrote:


Why is it weird that he unloads before he gets vision? If you issue the 'unload' command you can easily cancel it by just issueing a new order to your medivacs (to move them to another base you think he may have taken). You can also just box everything and right-click your medivacs to instantly load up. You barely lose any time at all.

On June 07 2012 03:33 hifriend wrote:

Okay there are several things blatantly false in this analysis...

@ 16:02: This makes sense to me seeing as p probably has either the main or the nat, but ok.

@ 17:02: I have no idea what you're talking about. He had already set them up to go to the bottom left corner and then towards the bottom right main at about 16:06. It's obvious from the replay that when he does select them at ~17:11, he does in fact click on the minimap right before, because the screen jumps over there before he even selects them.

@ 16:43 I have spam pause/played through these couple of seconds time and time again, and he never selects the dropships. Here's a pro tip, replays don't always display the players selections in case you have selected something on your own. Grab something from the opponent and return to the fpview of spades in order to see his real selections.

Besides, every maphack that I'm aware of does prevents the recording of selections (just like camera position) while in camera lock. That was the single most useful thing in broodwar, finding out someone had selected something they couldn't have vision of. If you use camera lock, this can't happen. The side effect of this is that when someone is in camera lock mode, it will look like they are doing absolutely nothing. No selections, no moving around the screen, and most certainly not issuing commands because all maphacks with cam lock functionality will snap out of camera lock if you issue any commands.

@ 16:51 People do this all the time.. I'm no pro, but I issue drop commands via the minimap. What's even suspicious about that?

@ 16:52-17:02 Nothing really spectacular here. Again he doesn't touch his dropships at this point. By "randomly spamming" you mean positioning some troops, setting rallies, checking on an upgrade, while supply capped and having his two drops on route? I don't know what else he's supposed to do. He's moving his screen around so it's not camera lock anyway.

On June 07 2012 03:35 Benjamin99 wrote:
That people are still defending Spades are mindblowing with all this evidence seriously? Dont you understand how serious this is to the competive online scene? And while defending this cheater you are actually making it worse!