07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here
10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.
08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.
Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.
(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
On June 07 2012 03:05 avilo wrote: You obviously did not read everything i wrote or understand it, or you just don't want to believe it. That is the initial queue command given, go to 17:02, they are manually selected and given new commands. I'd suggest you're going to contradict stuff so strongly you actually know what you are talking about.
Does Sassy know you are doing this instead of practicing? Seriously. I'd hate to have to be the one to tell her.
On June 07 2012 03:05 avilo wrote: You obviously did not read everything i wrote or understand it, or you just don't want to believe it. That is the initial queue command given, go to 17:02, they are manually selected and given new commands. I'd suggest you're going to contradict stuff so strongly you actually know what you are talking about.
Does Sassy know you are doing this instead of practicing? Seriously. I'd hate to have to be the one to tell her.
lol busted.
Seriously though, go rather analyse your possible opponents play at MLG/WCS and gl there ^^
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens.
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE,
screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video
step 1: move out to defend invisible warp prism
step 2: balk at defending invisible warp prism + 3 zealots because of invisible army
I have only one problem : show us the entire replay , not only fragments that you like.
i did post the replay a page or 2 ago. will add to both posts with videos though
1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ?
By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay.
User was warned for this post
I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
I don't see him selecting the dropships at 17:02 ? They were shift clicked, that's why they changed direction at 17:02. Are you sure about this ?
100%. Watch the replay. You have to watch it twice to catch it. Pause the replay at 17:00 and select his top two dropships. They have the queue command and then watch from spades view at 17:02 his screen is at his main command center.
Rewind the replay, watch it again this time in manual camera control and watch his dropships at 17:02. He manually box selects both of them and issues new commands. This is 100% impossible to do from the mini-map. His dropships were not hotkeyed.
The same thing happened at 16:43 with the dropships on the bottom portion of the map. Watch the replay twice to catch it.
Yeah, this is absolutely conclusive. There is no way this is possible to do without a hack, there is no possible way this can be accounted for via fast camera anomalous discrepancies between replay and in-game.
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens.
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE,
screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video
1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ?
By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay.
User was warned for this post
I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
I don't see him selecting the dropships at 17:02 ? They were shift clicked, that's why they changed direction at 17:02. Are you sure about this ?
100%. Watch the replay. You have to watch it twice to catch it. Pause the replay at 17:00 and select his top two dropships. They have the queue command and then watch from spades view at 17:02 his screen is at his main command center.
Rewind the replay, watch it again this time in manual camera control and watch his dropships at 17:02. He manually box selects both of them and issues new commands. This is 100% impossible to do from the mini-map. His dropships were not hotkeyed.
The same thing happened at 16:43 with the dropships on the bottom portion of the map. Watch the replay twice to catch it.
[ author edited response, I edited it out as well to not somehow spread it further ]
Please keep up, avilo made a mistake with that one. Those medivacs were queued, the waypoint line disappears once the final turn has been made and they are going towards their destination (btw I believe that changed in 1.5 beta, even single move commands show the destination dot (not sure about a line)).
On June 07 2012 03:06 recallsm wrote: Hi, I personally believe the spades hacked, if you read my earlier posts. However I don't see any evidence of him box selecting the medivacs. There isn't any blue selection circle on my screen. About the green rally lines disappearing, I've tested it on medivacs. Say you rally from Point A --> Point B --> Drop @ point C - after Point B, the green rally line disappears when its on the prior queued drop command.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but is the disappearance of the green rally lines the basis of your reasoning that he box selected?
TL;DR - If that was the last MOVE waypoint before the DROP waypoint, the green line will disappear after the you hit the last MOVE waypoint. If that's your reasoning, I don't think the evidence is solid. I still believe he hacked from the difference in camera mechanics.
I'm checking this, and yes it seems he may not have selected at those points so i'll retract that, but there are still camera locks during those moments with random spamming,, so it's basically the same as from the luci series - he is giving pin point drop commands via the mini-map and then re-adjusting them. The warp prism shiningans later don't help either.
On June 07 2012 03:06 recallsm wrote: Hi, I personally believe the spades hacked, if you read my earlier posts. However I don't see any evidence of him box selecting the medivacs. There isn't any blue selection circle on my screen. About the green rally lines disappearing, I've tested it on medivacs. Say you rally from Point A --> Point B --> Drop @ point C - after Point B, the green rally line disappears when its on the prior queued drop command.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but is the disappearance of the green rally lines the basis of your reasoning that he box selected?
TL;DR - If that was the last MOVE waypoint before the DROP waypoint, the green line will disappear after the you hit the last MOVE waypoint. If that's your reasoning, I don't think the evidence is solid. I still believe he hacked from the difference in camera mechanics.
Glad you cleared that up, I guess we were wrong then. I still think the queuing up drops from the minimap along with a drop command with pinpoint accuracy is a telling thing, considering he never scouted the south base.
I think the drop towards the south hidden base is a LOT more telling. At 17:11-17:15 you can see him looking through the fog, and then issueing an unload / move command next to the Nexus lol...
I'm glad so many people are now looking at this replay thanks Avilo. Manually readjusting a drop into a hidden base that he has not scouted so that it's out of range of a cannon there and also in between buildings is so improbable that I doubt anyone can watch that one instance without thinking: "This guy hacks."
Edit: It was also perfectly timed to hit at the same time as his second drop (into the main).
I retract what i said about the manual control at the queue, it does indeed disappear on it's own. But during those moments there is still camera locks and "pinpoint commands" given via the mini-map. On the top drops, and bottom ones. They are readjusted later for where the cannons are as alej said. The bottom drop in particular was pinpointed to an unscouted base, and then readjusted to drop onto warping in cannons. 16:43 is crazy enough that commands are given via mini-map to the exact base that alej has at the bottom right, and exactly in the mineral line.
Pretty sure I understand what Avilo is talking about, gonna make a vid real quick with what I think we're talking about here, and if I'm wrong I can always delete it and let someone else give it a shot
On June 07 2012 03:14 artanis2 wrote: Yes, this is the 100% proof. Great job avilo! I watched it a few times thinking you were wrong, but you can clearly see the previously queued command is removed from the unit and a new command is given. Fuck you spades. Fuck hacking.
It is because of replies like this one that this thread should be closed.
Thread should not be closed, stop it already. People are making research and others are proofing them, The Avilo "proof" is not 100% but it's post like thoses that are helping, not yours.
Looks like the evidence against him is already pretty conclusive maybe it's time to deal with it and move on. I think anyone who has any doubts should watch the whole video Catz made. Huge respect for the guys who figured this out. Good job and well done!
On June 07 2012 03:19 fishjie wrote: ok but who is the OP? inquiring minds want to know i am dying of curiosity
a mystery within a mystery
Your last line makes me think you already know about this, but in case you don't (or anyone else who is reading this thread) I suggest you take a look at this thread
Am I the only one who cannot seem to find why he sends blindly two dropships to the bottom of the map (Spades vs Chrono).
This is as sketchy as the random scan in Shakuras Plateau in the Lucifron vs Spades series at the 5~ min mark when his scouting scv is still rallied to scout both bases and half across the map.
I don't think there needs to be more evidence than that he queues up 2 medivacs to unload at an unscouted, hidden base without ever looking at it. Theres litteraly no reason he would normally ever do that. If he wouldn't see it, he'd move the medivacs to another base and maybe accidentially scout the hidden one, look at the medivacs, select them and THEN unload. But no. Because he sees everything he just does it blindly.
On June 07 2012 03:18 TumNarDok wrote: Good now we got that false alarm out the way. It does not add to someone credibility if their claims are proven wrong for future investigations.
Silly question for the broodwar experienced members of TL, but isnt majorly playing via minimap the sort of play that someone did in Broodwar.
I can't answer that question, but why would Spades play from the minimap in the show match but not in practice games. Makes 0 sense.
On June 07 2012 02:26 avilo wrote: I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
I do not see him selecting his dropships manually at 17:11 - 17:15, 16:43 in the replay provided?
On June 07 2012 03:14 artanis2 wrote: Yes, this is the 100% proof. Great job avilo! I watched it a few times thinking you were wrong, but you can clearly see the previously queued command is removed from the unit and a new command is given. Fuck you spades. Fuck hacking.
It is because of replies like this one that this thread should be closed.
Thread should not be closed, stop it already. People are making research and others are proofing them, The Avilo "proof" is not 100% but it's post like thoses that are helping, not yours.
I am not saying that this shouldn't be discussed, as has already been done for the last 240 pages. Comments like 'F*** you spades. F*** hacking.' is very inappropriate and should be kept to oneself.
On June 07 2012 03:18 TumNarDok wrote: Good now we got that false alarm out the way. It does not add to someone credibility if their claims are proven wrong for future investigations.
Silly question for the broodwar experienced members of TL, but isnt majorly playing via minimap the sort of play that someone did in Broodwar.
Yes. If you watch BW FPVODS, progamers use the minimap a lot for army movement and even for a-moving and dropping.
On June 07 2012 03:06 recallsm wrote: Hi, I personally believe the spades hacked, if you read my earlier posts. However I don't see any evidence of him box selecting the medivacs. There isn't any blue selection circle on my screen. About the green rally lines disappearing, I've tested it on medivacs. Say you rally from Point A --> Point B --> Drop @ point C - after Point B, the green rally line disappears when its on the prior queued drop command.
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but is the disappearance of the green rally lines the basis of your reasoning that he box selected?
TL;DR - If that was the last MOVE waypoint before the DROP waypoint, the green line will disappear after the you hit the last MOVE waypoint. If that's your reasoning, I don't think the evidence is solid. I still believe he hacked from the difference in camera mechanics.
I'm checking this, and yes it seems he may not have selected at those points so i'll retract that, but there are still camera locks during those moments with random spamming,, so it's basically the same as from the luci series - he is giving pin point drop commands via the mini-map and then re-adjusting them. The warp prism shiningans later don't help either.
I've tested this against the AI. And the Green line disappears. And in addition to this if he would give the drop comment you can see this selected in the menu at the bottom right. So still no 100% proof.
On June 07 2012 02:26 avilo wrote: I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
I do not see him selecting his dropships manually at 17:11 - 17:15, 16:43 in the replay provided?
Yes, I retract that, the queue line disappears on it's own when the unit reaches that point. The camera does lock at those points and commands are given via mini map when he sends out the dropships perfectly to alej's bases. Those still stand.
On June 07 2012 02:26 avilo wrote: I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
I do not see him selecting his dropships manually at 17:11 - 17:15, 16:43 in the replay provided?
He does not manually select the ones at 17:02, that was a mistake as already mentioned. He does select them at 17.11 - 17.15 btw, the ones at the bottom of the map.
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