07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here
10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.
08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.
Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.
(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
On June 07 2012 02:17 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Heres what Blizzard should do to restore my trust.
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run.
Problem nearly solved.
Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^
It's called turning the hack makers to our side. Plus everyone gets profit, except from the hack users.
On June 07 2012 02:17 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Heres what Blizzard should do to restore my trust.
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run.
Problem nearly solved.
Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^
i dont think 20.000 $ is worth it. maybe u trying to say 1 billion dollars/
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens.
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE,
screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video
step 1: move out to defend invisible warp prism
step 2: balk at defending invisible warp prism + 3 zealots because of invisible army
I have only one problem : show us the entire replay , not only fragments that you like.
i did post the replay a page or 2 ago. will add to both posts with videos though
1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ?
By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay.
User was warned for this post
EDIT: THE GREEN QUEUE LINE DOES DISAPPEAR ON IT'S OWN, so I retract that the drops were selected then. The points alej made still stand about drops to the bases and reoriented them for cannons as well as drops being queued perfectly via the mini-map, which is different from ladder games (i believe). I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center. camera lock but no selection
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
He doesn't select them, i was corrected. The queue line disappears. But the dropship is initially queued to drop where cannons exactly are.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map. strike this out, sorry. The dropships aren't selected at this point, but the camera lock and initial mini-map queuing do occur.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands. edit: his camera is locked with apm spam here, but no dropships selected
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons. strike that out, there are camera locks at those points but no selections on dropships.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
EDIT: THE QUEUE LINE DISAPPEARS ON IT'S OWN.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
On June 07 2012 02:17 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Heres what Blizzard should do to restore my trust.
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run.
Problem nearly solved.
Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^
I was thinking about trying to get the hacker devs on our side, but think about it: they could code a backdoor and then make ANOTHER hack to get around that. And then we are back at square one. Or just new software will come about and Blizz will have wasted 20K. I bet the hacker devs have new software already, they are just waiting for the old to get obsolete before releasing it. Like what (fucking) Apple does with hardware. Milk the least amount of work.
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens.
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE,
screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video
1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ?
By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay.
User was warned for this post
I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
There you have it Proof X_X Thanks so much avilo you are a HERO freaking Hero!!!
EDIT: No Prove as well move along 10 Pages ahead there you will find the next non proof proof ^^
On June 07 2012 02:17 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Heres what Blizzard should do to restore my trust.
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run.
Problem nearly solved.
Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^
I was thinking about trying to get the hacker devs on our side, but think about it: they could code a backdoor and then make ANOTHER hack to get around that. And then we are back at square one. Or just new software will come about and Blizz will have wasted 20K. I bet the hacker devs have new software already, they are just waiting for the old to get obsolete before releasing it. Like what (fucking) Apple does with hardware. Milk the least amount of work.
Thats why they need to explain the code (part of the deal)
On June 07 2012 02:17 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Heres what Blizzard should do to restore my trust.
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run.
Problem nearly solved.
Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^
I was thinking about trying to get the hacker devs on our side, but think about it: they could code a backdoor and then make ANOTHER hack to get around that. And then we are back at square one. Or just new software will come about and Blizz will have wasted 20K. I bet the hacker devs have new software already, they are just waiting for the old to get obsolete before releasing it. Like what (fucking) Apple does with hardware. Milk the least amount of work.
Thats why they need to explain the code (part of the deal)
But then another dev will come around... I mean it's like with antivirus software. The anti-hack is always one step behind of the hacks; it's reactionary. That's the nature of the thing. I mean I think that Blizz could step up their game, but I don't know that getting the hack devs on their side would solve very much.
As far as I can see, all "evidence" really falls under 3 categories:
Technical replay analysis Decision making anomolies Personal accounts / witnesses
I think there is enough conclusive evidence to say that everything analyzing the inner-workings / technicalities of the replays (i.e. magic scans) shouldn't be taken seriously. It took several years before SC:BW had fool-proof hack detection. Simply looking at a replay at face value for technical analysis without knowing how it records/plays back is foolish.
You can never fully verify someone's personal testimony; that and exceberated by the fact that many other high-level players have much to gain from joining the witchhunt, these also shouldn' tbe taken seriously.
That leaves only the odd decision making. Which again, isn't really conclusive. After looking at them myself, I'm more inclined to say he hacks because although I could come up with logical reasoning (heck, I've done a lot of decision making like that myself), there was still a good bit that had no rhyme nor reason. But I also believe that if you analyze anyone long enough with a crowd mentality like that, you will find something like this. Maybe not as frequent, but it will happen.
I believe 90/10 that he is hacking, but I don't understand why people are so confident as to call for his blood.
There's nothing more to discuss about Spades in the thread, it has been discussed, analysed and proven over a thousands time.
There's still one mystery which remains, who is this "drolets", the starter of the thread and the original accuser. I think if we will know his identity, then this whole thing will be as clear as water to us.
I hate hacking threads. The fact is it sucks but it is by design or else the game designers wouldn't give all this useless info away (or alternatively they are retarded / dont give a fuck).
You want to be pissed at anyone, be pissed at blizzard for having the PERFECT opportunity to stamp this stuff out and fucking it up royally. They host all the servers and can control all the info you get given so they send it ALL to you enabling hacking to take place. Instead they made everyone play online yet did nothing with the advantages the situation gave them except farm more gold for themselves.
If they only sent you what you could see then this wouldnt be possible - and you would have to download replays after the game.
I also hate asking for threads to be locked ... but cummon this is silly.
Time to stroll over to gsl and find out for myself what happened i guess.
On June 07 2012 02:34 jacosajh wrote: I think there is enough conclusive evidence to say that everything analyzing the inner-workings / technicalities of the replays (i.e. magic scans) shouldn't be taken seriously. It took several years before SC:BW had fool-proof hack detection. Simply looking at a replay at face value for technical analysis without knowing how it records/plays back is foolish.
The blink stalker hack can 100% be proven through replays as can various other forms of maphacks, camera locks included. Try it out yourself. Replays have small quirsin them, but they are by no means as fragile and breakable as you're suggesting. Especially when you can see a player's behaviour varying quite dramatically between games.
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens.
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE,
screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video
1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ?
By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay.
User was warned for this post
I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
That's about as definitive as it gets. Selecting (non-worker)units which are not hotkeyed or on the screen is 100% impossible.
Been a fan of you avilo ever since you made the ghost first build in the beta. Best of luck and much success to you in the future.
Edit: After booting it up myself and others reviews, guess it's not a selection. The replay is still HIGHLY suspicious though, especially that bottom drop.
As far as I can see, this thread is about spades hacking. And so people are going through more replays and posting evidence. No need to close the thread. There is a Long post a few above mine that incriminates him completely. How do you possibly select to Medivacs across the map while your camera is looking at your base and you have none of them hot keyed?
On June 07 2012 02:17 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Heres what Blizzard should do to restore my trust.
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run.
Problem nearly solved.
Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^
I was thinking about trying to get the hacker devs on our side, but think about it: they could code a backdoor and then make ANOTHER hack to get around that. And then we are back at square one. Or just new software will come about and Blizz will have wasted 20K. I bet the hacker devs have new software already, they are just waiting for the old to get obsolete before releasing it. Like what (fucking) Apple does with hardware. Milk the least amount of work.
Thats why they need to explain the code (part of the deal)
But then another dev will come around... I mean it's like with antivirus software. The anti-hack is always one step behind of the hacks; it's reactionary. That's the nature of the thing. I mean I think that Blizz could step up their game, but I don't know that getting the hack devs on their side would solve very much.
Yeah all they do in the moment is sueing those who SELL them. They dont really playing the game at all since of lack of public interest. This might change now thou.
On June 06 2012 21:01 Alejandrisha wrote: i'm showing you the same time frame of 2 different screens.
screen 1 - lock at same time hotkey spam and lack of on screen actions, DOES NOT MOVE CAMERA TO 4TH BASE,
screen 2 - actions given when camera is still locked on his army, though those clicks are quite clearly done on screen. magically, wp appears. here's the 2nd video
1. the lock at same time hotkey spam is not really a hotkey spam open your rageing eyes. He selects all his army in ctrl 1. 2. The move his army exactly when my warp prism comes is like : he knew your army was coming NOT THE WARP PRISM ... but hey you never showed that in your little movies... WHY ?
By the way i watched THE ENTIRE replay and you can see it was logical to move and defend that base. It is pretty sad that there were 5-6 posts after the replay was posted that say he map hacks and they don't even watch the replay.
User was warned for this post
I'm surprised this thread is still going @_@ I'm not suprised more replays are going to turn up proving spades hacks though.
You can 100% verify that spades hacks from this replay. I watched it, and you do not even need to get to the warp prism parts to find clear evidence. It's the same evidence that was already found during the luci vs spade series, except even worse in this replay (i think)?
16:02 Spades loads up two dropships at natural, waypoint via minimap perfectly to an unscouted base in the mineral line
16:02-16:11 Camera block with useless spam actions, this is the timespades is looking into the fog to set the drop to drop at alej's bottom right corner base
16:48 Spades loads two dropships at his third. Notice next part in particular.
16:51 Spades two dropships are selected and sent out during this exact second spades gives the dropships a queue, first to the empty space and then perfectly into the corner of alej's base...via minimap?
16:52-17:02 This is where spades begins "randomly" spamming his barracks hotkeys while his camera is sitting inside of his own base, first spamming rally points at his third, then...
17:02 You have to rewind the replay to catch the following. But at 17:02 is the exact moment that spades manually selects his 2 dropships at the top to manually control them. During this exact moment his screen is camera locked onto his main's command center.
17:02 Spades manually selects the dropships to give a drop command or what not into alej's base. This is again, one of the most important and 100% pieces of evidence of hacking from this replay.
Spades selects the dropships without ever (in the replay) moving his screen to the dropships. They were not hotkeyed. It is actually 100% technically impossible to box select two dropships from the mini-map.
What this means is, Spade's screen is currently camera locked at his base but he had actually moved his screen to select the two dropships in the empty space to give them new commands.
On top of this, from the psychological/strategic analysis that alej gave, the reason in this instance that spades has re-taken manual control of the dropships before they get nearer to his base is because spades must actually have more information than he should - he was looking through the fog of war.
16:43 I realized I had to rewind to catch this as well. At 16:43, the exact same scenario happened that is literally impossible. Spades once again begins spamming hotkeys at his third base, but in reality at this exact second he has moved his camera is locked again, and he has moved his screen to select his two dropships at the bottom of the map, which of course were en route to a base that spades had no knowledge of in the first place.
17:11-17:15 Spades manually takes control of the bottom two dropships, this time as well manually re-positioning the drop and manually using the map hack to look through the fog of war (no camera lock) to drop onto two unfinished cannons.
I didn't continue to analyze the later warp prism shinenigans that alej described because it's unneeded, though i'm sure it's just as much evidence as the entire scenario that occurred from 16:02 - 17:15.
Whatever maphack spades has been using, as already gone over 5000 times, it obviously has a camera lock feature. Was this all a random drama "witchhunt" like we saw in the past about orb/destiny? Not really, I don't think anyone that has interacted with spades before wanted it to be true that he hacks, because it is a shame. But people need to understand there has to be zero tolerance for hackers in the sc2 community.
There are so many prizes/prize money floating around now that SC has become much bigger, that it's unacceptable for cheaters to be taking qualifying spots over honest and more deserving players that are working hard to get good at this game/e-sport. So yes, they do need to 100% be put under the gun so to speak.
I don't see him selecting the dropships at 17:02 ? They were shift clicked, that's why they changed direction at 17:02. Are you sure about this ?
On June 07 2012 02:34 jacosajh wrote: I think there is enough conclusive evidence to say that everything analyzing the inner-workings / technicalities of the replays (i.e. magic scans) shouldn't be taken seriously. It took several years before SC:BW had fool-proof hack detection. Simply looking at a replay at face value for technical analysis without knowing how it records/plays back is foolish.
The blink stalker hack can 100% be proven through replays as can various other forms of maphacks, camera locks included. Try it out yourself. Replays have small quirsin them, but they are by no means as fragile and breakable as you're suggesting. Especially when you can see a player's behaviour varying quite dramatically between games.
1) nothing can be proven 100% unless it is maths (this is not) 2) 74.56% of statistics are made up on spot 3) Well if you know this then that is good enough for everyone else .... (btw that was sarcasm). 4) My behaviour changes dramatically depending on if im tired / ill / drunk / stoned ... besides how do you do a double blind test ... you are interpreting behavior and seeing what you want.
Dont get me wrong i am not saying he isn't hacking but you have said absolutley nothing of substance to indicate that he is or that you can prove it to even 95% chance.
If you can identify times when he has box selected units that are not on screen *then* and only then will I accept that you have proved a camera lock. Until then its all academic (ie useless and circumstantial). I dont mean point to a time i mean print out the commands as recorded in the demo - sc2 gears should allow this. However you then need someone trusted to verify because people simply make shit up.
at that point ... all things being good ... thread gets closed .... yay
On June 07 2012 02:34 jacosajh wrote: I think there is enough conclusive evidence to say that everything analyzing the inner-workings / technicalities of the replays (i.e. magic scans) shouldn't be taken seriously. It took several years before SC:BW had fool-proof hack detection. Simply looking at a replay at face value for technical analysis without knowing how it records/plays back is foolish.
The blink stalker hack can 100% be proven through replays as can various other forms of maphacks, camera locks included. Try it out yourself. Replays have small quirsin them, but they are by no means as fragile and breakable as you're suggesting. Especially when you can see a player's behaviour varying quite dramatically between games.
1) nothing can be proven 100% unless it is maths (this is not) 2) 74.56% of statistics are made up on spot 3) Well if you know this then that is good enough for everyone else .... (btw that was sarcasm). 4) My behaviour changes dramatically depending on if im tired / ill / drunk / stoned ... besides how do you do a double blind test ... you are interpreting behavior and seeing what you want.
Dont get me wrong i am not saying he isn't hacking but you have said absolutley nothing of substance to indicate that he is or that you can prove it to even 95% chance.
If you can identify times when he has box selected units that are not on screen *then* and only then will I accept that you have proved a camera lock. Until then its all academic (ie useless and circumstantial). I dont mean point to a time i mean print out the commands as recorded in the demo - sc2 gears should allow this. However you then need someone trusted to verify because people simply make shit up.
at that point ... all things being good ... thread gets closed .... yay
Well, here's your chance. Avilo pointed out when this happens. Go grab the print out and get this thread closed. (Oh, and the maker of SC2gears should be a good person to ask regarding whether the print-out is ok.
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