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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Kamikiri
United States1319 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:43 darkxzzy wrote: dude get real hes streaming so often and well hes so fucking good why would u cheat if u already pro ? "! Its hard to say hes "so fucking good" and obviously you cheat so you can win things, its not like he was winning a whole lot. | ||
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scDeluX
Canada1341 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:43 darkxzzy wrote: dude get real hes streaming so often and well hes so fucking good why would u cheat if u already pro ? "! Cause he is not as good as other pros. | ||
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divito
Canada1213 Posts
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:49 divito wrote: What does "looking in the fog of war" mean? Exactly what it sounds like. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:49 divito wrote: What does "looking in the fog of war" mean? Modern hacks do prevent showing whenever you look at the fog of war, Since you dont have fog of war and it would be too obvious when you look at the enemy base where nothing happens. So it locks the camera somewhere over your base pretending you are preparing a macro move or soemthing like that. Hacking tech seems to be fucking advanced  They only show you that hes looking into fog of war when he actually clicks into it wich is kinda strange since usually you need like 1/5 of a second or so to prepare your click after you hovered to a new screen position. But spades alwayws instandly clicks there. This was the only proove i could find and it tipped me over to the "Spades is a hacker" side :/ sadly | ||
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SgtCoDFish
United Kingdom1520 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:43 darkxzzy wrote: dude get real hes streaming so often and well hes so fucking good why would u cheat if u already pro ? "! That's kinda the thing about this... if he's not a hacker (and I'm not weighing in either way) the only way to explain a lot of the things he does is that he's not that good (in comparison to actual top-level foreigners) If he is a hacker... well, that speaks for itself. | ||
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phanto
Sweden708 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:49 divito wrote: What does "looking in the fog of war" mean? having the camera in an area you dont have vision. | ||
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Deleted User 137586
7859 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:52 SgtCoDFish wrote: That's kinda the thing about this... if he's not a hacker (and I'm not weighing in either way) the only way to explain a lot of the things he does is that [b]he's not that good[/b} (in comparison to actual top-level foreigners) If he is a hacker... well, that speaks for itself. There are three things to explain. a) Decision making - and your point is correct here. b) Camera movement and the differences between regular games and the suspect games. c) Insanely lucky instances such as when he drops just out of cannon range into a hidden base that he has no clue about. | ||
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Russet
United States48 Posts
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Adonminus
Israel543 Posts
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On June 07 2012 02:02 Adonminus wrote: The new metagame: look into fog of war to make people think you're not hacking since hackers don't look into fog of war since they're actually looking in it but it displays as if they don't with camera lock. pretty hard to code :D becouse if you always look at soemthing its obvious if you look at nothing its obvious ^^ I hope hackers wont figure this out too soon till then we probably always need a 230 page discussion to get to a conclusion | ||
TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:39 Santiago4ever wrote: His camera mechanics isn't that significantly different from his TvT games in the ladder replays he posted. He hardly ever watches FoW (saw it maybe 1-2 times/game the 10 TvT replays I watched from his pack and most of those were 20+ minute games) and he almost exclusively used minimap to move his armies around. Not sure where the concept that he plays incredibly differently mechanically in the lucifron series comes from unless you count in the TvZ/TvP matchups in his replaypack which might differ mechanically because of the nature of the matchups. His play is not inconsistent if you realize that he had prepared for his series, he hardcountered builds that lucifron had played against thorzain and others on the maps, then he mixed brilliant and moronic play for a total of 3:4 Wanted to say this. The latest replays in the week before the match he was not looking at the FoW at all much. Also, 80% winrate TvT, even if playing kind of a turtley style. Invalid argument/suspiscion to me there. | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
On June 07 2012 02:07 TumNarDok wrote: Wanted to say this. The latest replays in the week before the match he was not looking at the FoW at all much. Also, 80% winrate TvT, even if playing kind of a turtley style. Invalid argument/suspiscion to me there. Yeah thats the thing this little word makes the difference and since you can turn a hack on and off a even better player could hide it even better... We NEED a anti hack software wich is safe ASAP If i could code it i would start now. But im pretty bad at coding such a software. | ||
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loginn
France815 Posts
On June 07 2012 02:09 Chilling5pr33 wrote: Yeah thats the thing this little word makes the difference and since you can turn a hack on and off a even better player could hide it even better... We NEED a anti hack software wich is safe ASAP Blizzard won't allow it thought T_T | ||
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
Dont be silly they will and they have to. | ||
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Berceno
Spain401 Posts
On June 07 2012 01:39 Santiago4ever wrote: His camera mechanics isn't that significantly different from his TvT games in the ladder replays he posted. He hardly ever watches FoW (saw it maybe 1-2 times/game the 10 TvT replays I watched from his pack and most of those were 20+ minute games) and he almost exclusively used minimap to move his armies around. Not sure where the concept that he plays incredibly differently mechanically in the lucifron series comes from unless you count in the TvZ/TvP matchups in his replaypack which might differ mechanically because of the nature of the matchups. His play is not inconsistent if you realize that he had prepared for his series, he hardcountered builds that lucifron had played against thorzain and others on the maps, then he mixed brilliant and moronic play for a total of 3:4 are you trolling? did you watch ladder/showmatches replays? I don't believe you, they look diferent players, different mechanichs by mu....? I watched ladder TVT's and he likes the FOW like 10 times at least per match, and I won't explain what he did in the showmatches, but spades is indeed a hacker | ||
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Arush
Canada80 Posts
Aka you need to know how evil works to fight it  Just hope this situation will advance anti-hacking methods. | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
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Chilling5pr33
Germany518 Posts
Just make a 20.000$ prize to that person who writes the best and most advanced anti hack software out there they have to give insight into the code and the thought process and they will get a job offer to keep the thing running on the long run. Problem nearly solved. Even if only a hack-developer could write something like this ^^ | ||
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BoZiffer
United States1841 Posts
On June 06 2012 23:09 Ghanburighan wrote: That first point is excellent! It looks so unbelievable in the replay. He knows NOTHING about anything in that part of the map, yet times two medivacs to arrive at the same time to the main and to and random base that he does not know anything about. He scrolls for a while over an empty location (in the FOW) and the chooses a drop location that is just outside range of a cannon but close enough to target probes (in between buildings). I wish I had the game sense to drop empty bases (when there are 6 potential ones to choose from). That is VERY telling, indeed. | ||
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