EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 13
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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Gardel
Mexico220 Posts
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:27 PanN wrote: Simply because you're not defending yourself with all your might, and you're giving up and retiring, I bet you're hacking. Any normal, innocent person, would defend themselves vehemently with this type of accusation. You're just like "man! everyone is always down on me! guess ill retire after the next tournament!" Fucking defend your self if you're innocent, you look so bad just copping out like you are. yeah, the fact that spades says he shouldnt have to defend himself and he will just retire just further backs that he is probably guilty, anyone who is innocent would be defending themselfs. | ||
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KonohaFlash
Canada1590 Posts
In my opinion, threads like these shouldn't be allowed without a legit poster being the creator. | ||
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:17 huehuehuehue wrote: You should play a showmatch against Lucifron or someone else good, and stream it. This doesn't even make sense. Why would he hack in a showmatch that he will stream? | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
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Razakel
Ireland466 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:24 Caelyn0101 wrote: I've heard that people that hack that have a few braincells at least do moves like this to throw you off their scent. So when accused of hacking they can always say, " well if I was hacking how do you explain " x " or " y ". Of course hacking all the time, never making a single mistake and winning 99% of your games is going to get you figured out, it stands to reason that you would purposely lose games or make mistakes so people didn't get suspicious. I don't know for sure if Spades hacks or not as the only way of being certain would be sitting behind him watching him load up the hack, but as we can't do that we have to speculate based on fishy play that a lot of pro gamers and others have seen him doing. This seems entirely circular to me, you seem to be construing anything Spades does as evidence of his hacking. Well he was looking through fog of war / camera freezing frequently? Hacking. But wait, he lost units and made some mistakes? Also hacking. I see where you're going, but it's entirely unprovable and completely speculative. Focus on the litany of suspicious things in the OP if you want to try and demonstrate hacking. Also I agree with the other sentiments that the thread should be renamed until Spades has been shown guilty / innocent. | ||
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Neelia
Germany599 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:27 PanN wrote: Simply because you're not defending yourself with all your might, and you're giving up and retiring, I bet you're hacking. Any normal, innocent person, would defend themselves vehemently with this type of accusation. You're just like "man! everyone is always down on me! guess ill retire after the next tournament!" Fucking defend your self if you're innocent, you look so bad just copping out like you are. What's the point? He can't prove it if he's innocent and given his past people won't believe it anyways.. | ||
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JitnikoVi
Russian Federation396 Posts
/popcorn in seriousness though, just from sitting back and reading almost all the comments, it seems so wishywashy, i still cant decide which side to take, and ive been watching spades since bw | ||
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Cejotas
Spain88 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:27 PanN wrote: Simply because you're not defending yourself with all your might, and you're giving up and retiring, I bet you're hacking. Any normal, innocent person, would defend themselves vehemently with this type of accusation. You're just like "man! everyone is always down on me! guess ill retire after the next tournament!" Fucking defend your self if you're innocent, you look so bad just copping out like you are. Yeah crying is not the solution, try to explain all the strange things that happened | ||
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Snuggles
United States1865 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:23 Dalton-sc wrote: From moderator experience in other communities (open source as well) it is often the hackers that call hacker on everybody else and you are saying 90% of people on ladder you think are hackers. This is either an over exaggeration to which it is pointless to even mention or just more questionable behaviour from you. Says the guy with 2 posts... This is getting really fucking nasty and fast. I mean if Spades is proven innocent, we're still going to have a bad outcome of events. The community is going to have an even more toxic image and Spades image is still tarnished one way or another. If he is proven innocent, then man, I just can't help but feel bad for the guy, even if he did hack in the past. Plus the fact that he's trying to rebuild his reputation is another slap in the face. But of course if he's guilty then... yeah the witch hunt is a justifiable success for once lol. I think that just having me post my nonconstructive opinion here is hurting the thread and beyond... | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:28 Martijn wrote: Have to say I'm disgusted by all this. How many of you actually watched the show match? Spades complained about having problems with his mouse after game 1, but no, lets just assume his camera slipping or staying in one spot is a hack and not the obvious. If this guy didn't have enough faith in his claims to post it on his real account, how credible is this thread to begin with? Not to mention some suggestions are plain stupid. "Despite having a marine and a Barrack to spot any kind of drop, he doesn't see LucifroN's drop comming, however, he leaves all his hellions on his natural instead of having them around the map which would be the most normal given that you haven't spotted any drop comming." Yes, because you don't wait until your maxed when you play mech vs bio, you send your helions out alone to watch them get eaten by marauders. I'll look into it, but especially considering how late Spades often reacted to drops in game.. 5? Where luci went bio vs his mech, I certainly didn't see it while casting. I think it's highly inappropriate that so many people are jumping to conclusions. Yeah, the issue with "maphacking" accusations is that you can take five replays from any top player and find "suspicious" moments where it's possible that they were maphacking when it's just that their game-sense is on fire or that they have so much experience with certain situations that they just know how to react. Everyone can remember moments in actual LAN even where it seems as if one players hacking, because some of the things are just so perfect (for instance, at Red Bull, Bomber sniping MC's nexus exactly when MC moved his stalkers out of position without having prior vision of anything but the front of MC's ramp). Obviously he wasn't hacking, but boy, sometimes they are so good it seems like it. :/ | ||
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All.In
United States214 Posts
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marconi
Croatia220 Posts
And one more thing, I saw Incontrol posting something about the "hacking". Now, I watched his stream a few times, and I think there isn't a player on the whole goddamn ladder he lost to who he didn't accuse of hacking. And what's even funnier he actually looks at the replay later and there is ABSOLUTELY NO evidence of the other player hacking, and then you get some grumpy look from his face and some moaning sounds. So I would advise you people to not really take his words into consideration, seeing as how him and some other players which I don't wanna name, but are in a certain relation with him, have a tendency to accuse people of hacking instead of admitting the other guy simply played better. So sad, and unprofessional. I don't know why people, and by people I mean sponsors, actually put up with such crap from their players. Imagine a football team where the players constantly accuse the other team of using performance drugs when they lose. What I'm saying is, don't bring out the pitchforks and torches just yet, at least until there is solid proof of anything. | ||
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Giantorange
Canada24 Posts
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:30 Neelia wrote: What's the point? He can't prove it if he's innocent and given his past people won't believe it anyways.. Whats the point? Uhm, I could name one that spades thinks is important! You should realize this, i have no idea how you dont =) He wants to make this a CAREER. He said that himself, and if he doesn't defend himself now well he can just shit that dream away. Saying "lol gues no1 will beliv me guess i retire next time xd!!" is probably the dumbest thing you could ever say if you're actually innocent and trying to make this game your career. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:27 PanN wrote: Simply because you're not defending yourself with all your might, and you're giving up and retiring, I bet you're hacking. Any normal, innocent person, would defend themselves vehemently with this type of accusation. You're just like "man! everyone is always down on me! guess ill retire after the next tournament!" Fucking defend your self if you're innocent, you look so bad just copping out like you are. This! Seriously as a community we must take this really serious. If any progamer who got a history of cheating and surdenly do very well vs a top player he should be looked at very closely and this look indeed fishy. | ||
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Promethelax
Canada7089 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:26 Spades wrote: Alright, since i respect you, I'll answer all your questions, just give me a few minutes to look over and see. This is all I've wanted to see from this thread. Thanks to both Illusion and Spades for actually looking into this and settling the issue instead of letting the mob get a hold of it and begin another witch hunt. I hope this gets resolved and, if Spades proves himself innocent (which should never have to happen) he will have gained at least one fan from this. | ||
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SkelA
Macedonia13037 Posts
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:29 mewbert wrote: yeah, the fact that spades says he shouldnt have to defend himself and he will just retire just further backs that he is probably guilty, anyone who is innocent would be defending themselfs. Not sure if I agree with PanN here. If people accused me of hacking or whatever and there wasn't a definitive way of proving it (I think BW had some mechanic for this) there wouldn't be a use for defending myself because zealots would just keep breaking down every little thing I'd say anyway. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:34 IntoTheheart wrote: Not sure if I agree with PanN here. If people accused me of hacking or whatever and there wasn't a definitive way of proving it (I think BW had some mechanic for this) there wouldn't be a use for defending myself because zealots would just keep breaking down every little thing I'd say anyway. Theres a difference between not defending yourself, and saying "its impossible, guess ill retire after the next event!". Theres a HUGE difference. | ||
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