EPT[?] Spades hacking? - Page 15
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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here 10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here. 08:47 KST - Summary: Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open. Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims. (also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here) | ||
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marconi
Croatia220 Posts
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TheWorldToCome
United States452 Posts
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Cejotas
Spain88 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:36 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote: Yeah... The OP has 1 post = smurf. One may speculate who the smurf is but it would not supprise me if its Lucifron related LucifroN won the showmatch, I don't understand this. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:37 gruff wrote: Not everyone reacts the same, there are many people that would just get mad and say screw that if they are feeling unjustly treated, just accepting that they won't be able to convince people of the opposite. Just because someone defends himself with vigor doesn't mean he is or isn't hacking. In fact one of the best way to fool people is doing just that. Maybe he's sick of people calling him hacker (which isn't unplausible due to his background) and sees it like a fools arrend to try. This kind of logic is what labels innocent people something they are not. If you want to judge him, do it because of facts not some stupid psycho analysis. Just saying its incredibly stupid of him to just say I'll retire soon. Obviously evidence is important here, are you intoxicated? I never said it wasn't. It's the most important thing here. I'm simply saying its stupid of him to cop out and retire because of accusations, a few posts directly after he says he wants to make this his career. | ||
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Xadar
497 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:39 marconi wrote: I'm surprised that the admins actually allowed for a 1 post account to post something like this and leave it unlocked. it doesnt mean ANYTHING that OP has only 1 post. look at the content, not the post number -.- | ||
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
Also I'm pretty sure TL staff has an idea who the OP could be, with them seeing IP address and possibly browser settings. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:39 marconi wrote: I'm surprised that the admins actually allowed for a 1 post account to post something like this and leave it unlocked. It's a detailed post that points out a very serious issue with very specific points which makes it easy to review the data presented. Why wouldn't they leave it open for pros to come in and throw in their two cents. If it devolves into a massive clusterfuck they'll close it. | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:38 PanN wrote: I don't need to explain this because incontrol already did. He has nothing to lose defending himself. But bitchin' out and saying "oh no one will believe me! guess ill quit!" is really really really suspicious. He may not have shit for evidence right now, but copping out like that really doesn't help him at all. How do you not see this? I'm done talking about this. "How do you not see this," is just horrific argumentation. Something is obvious to you (giving up early means he's hacking) but it doesn't mean that it's obvious to anyone else, but more importantly it doesn't mean that it's true. He obviously knows that anything he says to defend himself would just cause controversy. Have you tried convincing zealots on the internet about just about anything without proof? | ||
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Martijn
Netherlands1219 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:32 Giantorange wrote: As wierd as this sounds, I'd like to just ask the next person that discovers a professional player or someone notable in the community hacking to instead contact a couple of professional players to review the evidence or someone trustworthy before posting this type of thing. If you back it up with professional opinions first and keep everything reasonably quiet previous to posting whether he's a hacker or not. It can potentially avoid destroying an innocent person's reputation. Whether Spades is innocent or not is still up for debate, but whether his reputation is essentially destroyed with a lot of people is pretty clear. This has been done. I've been apart of this process more than once. All the more reason why this thread should've never been posted in the first place. "Oh, he did well against LucifroN, he must be cheating." Give me a break. Asking some pros to look at it now, and I'll ask Luci for his opinion as well when I can get in touch. | ||
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PanN
United States2828 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:40 Zaphid wrote: Spades, play a showmatch with first person stream, preferably a TvT against someone of Lucifron's caliber. Let people see how good you are, no whining about mouse problems, lag or whatever else, just play it. Best way to prove people wrong. Hell, you will even get record viewing numbers after this. He can hack and stream at the same time ya know. | ||
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mewbert
United States291 Posts
If spades turns out to be innocent then people should apologize and forget about it but hes cheated in the past and this thread is perfectly justified, stop throwing around words like witch hunt if you dont know what youre saying. | ||
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askTeivospy
1525 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:40 PanN wrote: Just saying its incredibly stupid of him to just say I'll retire soon. Obviously evidence is important here, are you intoxicated? I never said it wasn't. It's the most important thing here. I'm simply saying its stupid of him to cop out and retire because of accusations, a few posts directly after he says he wants to make this his career. Pro tip: No one owes it to explain themselves to a bunch of rabid TL users. Don't like it? Email the sponsors. | ||
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Wroshe
Netherlands1051 Posts
What we have here is a truckload of circumstancial evidence gathered by the OP, Illusion, iNcontrol, Probe1 and others but very few if any actual proof. rANDY's post however to me appears to have that smoking gun with the "off centered scans". On the basis of that post I'll say that I'm convinced by the allegations. Having said that though we should be careful in these kind of situations as solid evidence is nearly impossible to get and the damage a false accusation does. The combination of Spades' hacking past, the truckload of circumstancial evidence, his very sudden skill increase after a terrible early 2012 record combined with rANDY's post makes me feel secure enough about calling this how I see it: a blatant hack. | ||
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Blackfish
Austria309 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:40 Cejotas wrote: LucifroN won the showmatch, I don't understand this. Yeah but 4-3 vs Spades for someone as "over"-hyped as Lucifron is bad. | ||
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Markam
Poland71 Posts
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MuseMike
United States1339 Posts
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Xcobidoo
Sweden1871 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:36 DrPhilOfdOOm wrote: Yeah... The OP has 1 post = smurf. One may speculate who the smurf is but it would not supprise me if its Lucifron related Just someone who doesn't want his main account to be connected to this incident forever. LucifroN won aswell so I don't see any point in doing it for LucifroN in particular... | ||
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intotheheart
Canada33091 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:40 Cejotas wrote: LucifroN won the showmatch, I don't understand this. Yeah I'm with you on this, if Lucifron lost and wanted to get some form of compensation, then making some claims would make sense (kinda). | ||
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-Switch-
Canada506 Posts
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EienShinwa
United States655 Posts
On June 05 2012 06:40 Zaphid wrote: Spades, play a showmatch with first person stream, preferably a TvT against someone of Lucifron's caliber. Let people see how good you are, no whining about mouse problems, lag or whatever else, just play it. Best way to prove people wrong. Hell, you will even get record viewing numbers after this. Also I'm pretty sure TL staff has an idea who the OP could be, with them seeing IP address and possibly browser settings. WHY do people keep saying this? What will another showmatch accomplish? He can just not have the maphack on and play without it. Why would he maphack in a showmatch he KNOWS people are on the lookout for him hacking? | ||
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