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07:06 KST - method linked here has been disproved here

10:54 KST - Find a full timeline of pro comments (including Spades) in the topic here.

08:47 KST - Summary:
Accusations of maphacking have the potential to destroy a player's career if left unaddressed. Because of the potential consequences, we should be careful about accepting unproven accusations. The principle of 'innocent until proven guilty' should be applied here. That does not mean that there has been a conclusion about this case, however, which is why this thread remains tentatively open.

Please discuss with caution and use evidence to back up your claims.

(also a summary post by an unnamed pro on reddit here)
Psychobabas
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
2531 Posts
June 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#321
I really dont think Spades was hacking.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
June 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#322
On June 05 2012 06:43 Zaphid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 06:41 PanN wrote:
On June 05 2012 06:40 Zaphid wrote:
Spades, play a showmatch with first person stream, preferably a TvT against someone of Lucifron's caliber. Let people see how good you are, no whining about mouse problems, lag or whatever else, just play it. Best way to prove people wrong. Hell, you will even get record viewing numbers after this.


He can hack and stream at the same time ya know.

Even with stream showing everything he does?

External map hacks cab show a minimap, income, resources, production, etc., on a second monitor. Do some googling, you will fidn out for yourself.
WaLLE
Profile Joined June 2011
United Kingdom1 Post
June 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#323
Does anyone know how this gets officially confirmed or denied and thus Spades gets removed from the pro list for tournis (or his name cleared)? I hate to think this kind of thing just gets ignored
Eeeeeee-va
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 21:49:05
June 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#324
On June 05 2012 06:45 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 06:43 Grampz wrote:
Come on man this is how you respond to criticism? By giving up? Wow. Teams really love that in a player...


If you don't hack, fucking prove it. Go out there, rape ladder and events, and people will start to believe you don't. You are right there is NO way to prove you don't. Except at Offline events.




You can hack while playing ladder and online events and last I checked Spades (no offence if you're reading this) wasn't known to be beastial enough to get a solid enough run at Offline events for anyone to reasonably say "well this guy doesn't hack."


Well isnt that strange then that he surdenly playes well vs one of the best players in EU?
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Martijn
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Netherlands1219 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-04 21:48:34
June 04 2012 21:47 GMT
#325
On June 05 2012 06:45 PanN wrote:
Streams don't show everything you do. Thats not how streams work.


Let me just say as the person that's by far the most familiar with how streams work in this thread that you're full of it.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 04 2012 21:48 GMT
#326
On June 05 2012 06:46 fams wrote:
My thoughts on the OP only having one post

+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

http://www.quickmeme.com/meme/3pkwoi/
Please take this with a grain of salt


Sorry fams but I see this as more of negative attention and reason for people to start blindly boycotting his streams.
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Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
June 04 2012 21:48 GMT
#327
LOL @ this don't you guys think he is gonna hack in other matches not just this one if he was a hacker. Just get his last 10-15matches from ladder and see if he is a hack or not. I think he is not hacking and the other silly thing is that you think he is gonna risk his "hacking" in a show match ? This thread is stupid and it should be closed.
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
June 04 2012 21:48 GMT
#328
On June 05 2012 06:43 sleepingdog wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be possible to send this rep to a Blizzard representative for a lookover? I understand that they don't normally do this, but since a pro-gamer is involved wouldn't such a neutral statement be extremely valuable?


This is actually the best idea in this entire threads. It wold behoove the mods to maybe get in contact with Rob Simpson and see if he knows of anyways to get this done.
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
thekoven
Profile Joined July 2010
United States128 Posts
June 04 2012 21:48 GMT
#329
On June 05 2012 06:42 MuseMike wrote:
Where is Lead Detective Payam "TT1" Toghyan when you need him.

haha we must find detective TT1 and put him on the case immediately!
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stri_
Profile Joined June 2011
United States37 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#330
lets getting this guy !
Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#331
Is there a 100% way to prove he hacks?

If not, people shouldn't judge so quickly as to say he hacked. It's his career at stake after all. Give the guy a benefit of doubt etc.
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#332
On June 05 2012 06:48 Balgrog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 06:43 sleepingdog wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't it be possible to send this rep to a Blizzard representative for a lookover? I understand that they don't normally do this, but since a pro-gamer is involved wouldn't such a neutral statement be extremely valuable?


This is actually the best idea in this entire threads. It wold behoove the mods to maybe get in contact with Rob Simpson and see if he knows of anyways to get this done.


what can they do differently? without invading his privacy not much.
EienShinwa
Profile Joined May 2010
United States655 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#333
Lol, Spades is attributing almost everything to game chance, luck, and randomness. Someone get a statistician in here and get the probabability of all these odds happening at the same time. Maybe then everyone will be convinced.
I have a simple philosophy: Fill what's empty. Empty what's full. Scratch where it itches. Alice Roosevelt Longworth
andReslic
Profile Joined January 2012
216 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#334
If I would be spades, I would ignore this, I know I dont hack so I dont give a crap about it,
People that lies falls into traps like this, when they defend themselves about something that shouldn't affect them, if hes that good.

VPFaith
Profile Joined April 2011
United States261 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#335
On June 05 2012 06:40 Zaphid wrote:
Spades, play a showmatch with first person stream, preferably a TvT against someone of Lucifron's caliber. Let people see how good you are, no whining about mouse problems, lag or whatever else, just play it. Best way to prove people wrong. Hell, you will even get record viewing numbers after this.

Also I'm pretty sure TL staff has an idea who the OP could be, with them seeing IP address and possibly browser settings.


Why would Lucifron waste time on this?? LOL. Time is money and no one is going to devote their precious time to waste. And regarding to the original poster, he wanted to be anonymous and thus not reveal who he is. I don't see any wrongdoings by the original poster because when anyone report a crime, they want to be anonymous.
Never Give Up
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#336
On June 05 2012 06:47 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 06:45 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 05 2012 06:43 Grampz wrote:
Come on man this is how you respond to criticism? By giving up? Wow. Teams really love that in a player...


If you don't hack, fucking prove it. Go out there, rape ladder and events, and people will start to believe you don't. You are right there is NO way to prove you don't. Except at Offline events.




You can hack while playing ladder and online events and last I checked Spades (no offence if you're reading this) wasn't known to be beastial enough to get a solid enough run at Offline events for anyone to reasonably say "well this guy doesn't hack."


Well isnt that strange then that he surdenly playes well vs one of the best players in EU?


Maybe he's streaky. As he explained earlier, he watched the Zain vs Lucifron games earlier and used that. We can't know whether or not he's hacking without real proof either way. Think about it this way, if you're playing a ZvZ and know that your opponent can't hold out against a 6pool very well for whatever reason you'd go for the 6pool if you knew/thought that you couldn't win by any other method right? It makes sense to read your player and if what Spades is saying is true then he made the smart call by watching the games.
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GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
June 04 2012 21:49 GMT
#337
Worse than cheating is the self righteous people coming here despite not knowin spades at all etc. just to argue about semantics and stuff about how one should behave and post irrelevant crap instead of the actual replays
KonohaFlash
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1590 Posts
June 04 2012 21:50 GMT
#338
Amazing how everyone is slurping up what the OP has to say. He has 1 post.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
June 04 2012 21:50 GMT
#339
the camera blocks are brutal, is there any evidence of pros doing this on the regular like Spades does?
Saechiis
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Netherlands4989 Posts
June 04 2012 21:50 GMT
#340
On June 05 2012 06:35 PanN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2012 06:34 IntoTheheart wrote:
On June 05 2012 06:29 mewbert wrote:
On June 05 2012 06:27 PanN wrote:
Simply because you're not defending yourself with all your might, and you're giving up and retiring, I bet you're hacking.

Any normal, innocent person, would defend themselves vehemently with this type of accusation. You're just like "man! everyone is always down on me! guess ill retire after the next tournament!"

Fucking defend your self if you're innocent, you look so bad just copping out like you are.

yeah, the fact that spades says he shouldnt have to defend himself and he will just retire just further backs that he is probably guilty, anyone who is innocent would be defending themselfs.


Not sure if I agree with PanN here. If people accused me of hacking or whatever and there wasn't a definitive way of proving it (I think BW had some mechanic for this) there wouldn't be a use for defending myself because zealots would just keep breaking down every little thing I'd say anyway.


Theres a difference between not defending yourself, and saying "its impossible, guess ill retire after the next event!".

Theres a HUGE difference.


Anyone who has knowledge of how the internetz and forums work knows it's pointless to "defend yourself" when an entire community has already decided you're guilty. Lol, in fact if he'd been actively trying to disprove the OP's statements people would be calling him out for being defensive (must be because he's guilty, right?).

The human brain excels at rationalizing any stance we have subconciously formed.
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