After an exciting first week of GSTL Season 2, we are now ready to get started with the hardest league in the world, GSL Season 3 Code S. We're all still a bit shaken from the amazing Grand Finals of last season, but our 32 players are already preparing to show their best and we're looking forward to even better games and are expecting a new hero to emerge soon.
This season's Code S will be the the most balanced competition in terms of race distribution. We hope everyone is looking forward to it as much as we do!
Our 32 players have been placed in to certain tiers according to their accumulated GSL points and were then evenly and randomly placed into 8 groups of 4. For details on the system you may read here: http://www.gomtv.net/forum/view.gom?topicid=219114&cid=0&kind=8
This is the player tier list for GSL Season 3:
ThorZaiN as well as viOLet have received Code S seeds for their outstanding results in international tournaments.
ThorZaiN has once again proven his skill by winning the last DreamHack and viOLet seems to be in his prime right now, placing first in the MLG Spring Arena 2 in addition to several other great showings in other tournaments.
Last season's champion Mvp picked SuHoSin for his group, our runner-up Squirtle picked Thorzain into his group.
The complete groups for Code S Ro32 are as follows:
We hope everyone is looking forward to GSL Season 3!
I am looking forward to Group B. Nestea vs Naniwa rematch maybe!!!
I like that their is no obvious group of death. All of these groups have at least 1 player who is the very obvious underdog of the group and two players who have legit shots at taking out the fairly clear group favorite
On June 01 2012 17:04 TiTanIum_ wrote: Funny that Nani chose Creator. hum... I wonder why... trolololol
Naniwa chose nobody. Its all random minus MVP and Squirtle getting to pick an opponent.
Hmmm. Interesting considering viOLet said he didn't intend to go back to Korea.
ThorZaIN has a really hard group. I know every group is hard, but ThorZaIN's group really doesn't play to his strengths. All of his opponents are extremely powerful vT.
On June 01 2012 17:04 TiTanIum_ wrote: Funny that Nani chose Creator. hum... I wonder why... trolololol
Unless they changed the format from last season, only the top 2 from last season (mvp and squirtle) get to chose their opponent. The rest is randomized by tier
Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Groups F and G are the ones I'm looking forward to most. For the foreigners - Naniwa has a decent chance of making it out (depending on the matches), same for Violet, ThorZaiN... well, that will be crazy hard, unless he goes to hyper-spoon mode.
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Yes because he did not pick who he thought was the easiests to advance from since MVP took line.....
Thorzains group looks very doable for him. He will probably lose vs Squirtle, but Keen and Gumiho aren't that great in TvT while Tzain is quite good at it.
Then again, Keen and Gumiho are two of the most inconsistend platers left in the gsl O.o
On June 01 2012 17:13 Malaz wrote: Thorzain and Naniwa with the easiest groups.
Sarcasm i hope xD
Nice groups all of them really accept the last one, which really doesn't look very strong and entertaining. I hope the top 2 from each go through which will make a great round of 16 line up and more importantly a fun live group drawings.
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Yes because he did not pick who he thought was the easiests to advance from since MVP took line.....
I honestly don't believe you read the FIRST 3 words i even wrote.. lol 5 other terrans he easiest could've chosen
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Yes because he did not pick who he thought was the easiests to advance from since MVP took line.....
I honestly don't believe you read the FIRST 3 words i even wrote.. lol 5 other terrans he easiest could've chosen
Why should Squirtle care about GOMtv's marketing, if he thinks Thorzain would be the easiest opponent then he can pick him if he wants to. It's about winning.
On June 01 2012 17:19 AmericanUmlaut wrote: Group B is going to be insanely hard for the Protoss players. They've got to prepare for all three matchups, all against sickly good opponents .
All groups except one has all three races in them, so I think they will all be tough.
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Yes because he did not pick who he thought was the easiests to advance from since MVP took line.....
I honestly don't believe you read the FIRST 3 words i even wrote.. lol 5 other terrans he easiest could've chosen
Why should Squirtle care about GOMtv's marketing, if he thinks Thorzain would be the easiest opponent then he can pick him if he wants to. It's about winning.
i am not talking about gomtvs marketing i am.. nevermind why do i even bother trying to argue with people here... lol
Correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the players that comes out from each of group C and D play eachother in the next round right? So we can have a potential MVP vs Squirtle in the 2nd round? I thought the brackets were supposed to be designed so that the previous top 2 are as far away from each other as possible? Or am I missing something here
Cant wait to see Oz best matchup unfold against the likes of viOlet and DRG. He beat Maru last season already as well.
Lmao @ MKP just cant stop laughing, he got three of the most uncomfortable opponents for him, who all recently beat him. Plus PartinG must really go on his Nerves by now, he just refuses to let off of him LOL.
Predictions
Group A: Mvp, Genius
Group B: Squirtle, Keen
Group C: PartinG, MKP (though will be hard for him)
On June 01 2012 18:08 Fubi wrote: Correct me if I'm wrong, but one of the players that comes out from each of group C and D play eachother in the next round right? So we can have a potential MVP vs Squirtle in the 2nd round? I thought the brackets were supposed to be designed so that the previous top 2 are as far away from each other as possible? Or am I missing something here
No, Ro16 will have a group nomination. Groups here don't matter, not even finishing first or second matter as long as you get through.
I'm looking forward to seeing Sniper and Symbol play in Code S. I'm a little surprised that Keen wasn't the terran that Squirtle picked, whereas I was not impressed with Suhoshin's play in the Up and Downs. Hopefully he brings better form to his group play.
I have to say, on the whole, I really like the composition of Code S this time. Even underdogs like Ace and Keen showed really good form in the up and downs. They may underwhelm against the hardcore preparation that goes into Code S group play, but I am still excited to see the effort they put in. And with the looming shakeout of Terrans in Code A, the balance of races in the GSL leaves us with mostly terrans who are not only good at TvT, but have another matchup they are really good at as well.
still strange that violet goes to live in america to now return to korean to play gsl^^ anyways good luck to him and best of luck to the Swedes hopefly they'll do well, wanna see thorzain vs Naniwa finals!!!
On June 01 2012 18:32 Yaki wrote: naniwa's got a chance to advance if he doesn't play nestea
He has even if he plays NesTea. After all, two players advance from each group and I don't think it's a far stretch to see both NaNiwa and NesTea advance from that group.
Weird that GSL Season 1 only was worth 4500 points (DRG 4500, Genius 2249, RO4 1350 etc) but Season 2 5000 points (MVP 5000, Squirtle 2499, RO4 1500 etc)
On June 01 2012 18:48 klicken wrote: Weird that GSL Season 1 only was worth 4500 points (DRG 4500, Genius 2249, RO4 1350 etc) but Season 2 5000 points (MVP 5000, Squirtle 2499, RO4 1500 etc)
I think they are worth the same points but the points decay as the year goes on.
On June 01 2012 18:48 klicken wrote: Weird that GSL Season 1 only was worth 4500 points (DRG 4500, Genius 2249, RO4 1350 etc) but Season 2 5000 points (MVP 5000, Squirtle 2499, RO4 1500 etc)
Points deteriorate. Winning last season is better than winning 5 seasons ago. It's a good system.
I hope violet can stay good in korea, its like a negative zone for him. He is fun to watch. Hoping thorzain can prove naniwa wrong (said he wasnt a born winner) and advance but its going to be hard :<
On June 01 2012 18:48 klicken wrote: Weird that GSL Season 1 only was worth 4500 points (DRG 4500, Genius 2249, RO4 1350 etc) but Season 2 5000 points (MVP 5000, Squirtle 2499, RO4 1500 etc)
Season 1 was worth 5000 points before. It looks like GSL is going to reduce the point value of seasons gradually, to favor more recent good performances. I like it - less chance of 'legacy' seeds where people get better seeds and such based solely on old (6+ month ago) successes like was a problem before.
On June 01 2012 18:48 klicken wrote: Weird that GSL Season 1 only was worth 4500 points (DRG 4500, Genius 2249, RO4 1350 etc) but Season 2 5000 points (MVP 5000, Squirtle 2499, RO4 1500 etc)
I think they are worth the same points but the points decay as the year goes on.
Ah, makes sense, I did not know that. Seems like they lose 10% of their points per season. I like it.
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Yes because he did not pick who he thought was the easiests to advance from since MVP took line.....
I honestly don't believe you read the FIRST 3 words i even wrote.. lol 5 other terrans he easiest could've chosen
Why should Squirtle care about GOMtv's marketing, if he thinks Thorzain would be the easiest opponent then he can pick him if he wants to. It's about winning.
i am not talking about gomtvs marketing i am.. nevermind why do i even bother trying to argue with people here... lol
So, to clarify, you're saying that Squirtle made his choice because he holds a grudge against Thorzain for beating Naniwa, who is on Quantic, which is partnered with Startale, in a mostly online tournament over a year ago.
Not because he thinks that a foreign terran is the easiest person for him to beat.
Yeah, don't worry about trying to explain that, I don't think most of us will be able to understand you.
---------------------- @the groups, I don't know, I think it looks decent for Naniwa -- he seems to have Nestea's number, at least. Not sure about Thorzain -- Squirtle will definitely be hard, but if he can focus on TvT, he might have a chance. Not sure about our Liquidians, either -- not easy, but doable.
I like how they changed the points format. First tier seeds are now the top 8 from the previous season, ranked by points, then the next eight are 9-16 from the previous season, ranked by points.
The way they did it before, if you won a single GSL or even got second then you were basically guaranteed top eight in points for the rest of the year, I like this method a lot better.
Also, the groups actually look pretty even, I agree that F is the hardest, but there is no real group of death imo.
damn, those groups are awesome!!! I don't really think there is one group thats so much harder than the rest, they all seem like they should produce some pretty epic games! :D
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Yes because he did not pick who he thought was the easiests to advance from since MVP took line.....
I honestly don't believe you read the FIRST 3 words i even wrote.. lol 5 other terrans he easiest could've chosen
the only terrans he could pick were thorzain or ghostking? wat 5?
On June 01 2012 20:00 SilentSC2 wrote: Do they choose their groups? I thought that only happens when it's time for Ro16?
As has happened for the last 2 GSL, Winner and Runner Up choose their first opponent from Tier 4, then have the other two chosen for them(1 each out of Tier 2 and 3). All other groups are selected not on a totally random basis, but rather, the first matches pair Tier 1 opponents with Tier 4, and Tier 2 with Tier 3. (Which means I was wrong about Squirtle selecting Thorzain...Byun would be a scary choice, and PvP is probably not a great choice either.) Group Selection will commence in Ro16 with the top 4 GSL points for the year in the round of 16 getting to pick a group and their first opponent. Which group they pick does determine where the two who come out will go in the bracket for the final 8. Then each person picked picks one player for the group, then the players picked for a group second complete the process by picking the final 4 players.
I know, that's complicated. But it's about as clear as it can be.
According to Liquidpedia, Ganzi 2-0 MC in Winter Arena, 2-1 MC in Winter champ, 3-0 MC in spring Arena 1, and lose 0-2 to MC in spring Arena 2.... so the MLG record between Ganzi and MC is 7-3 in favor of Ganzi.
However, in their GSL matches, things look way more even, Ganzi losing to MC in November code S 0-1, in 2012 season 1 , he lost 0-2 to MC, but beat MC 2-0 in season 2 code A, making the GSL record between the two 2-3 in favor of MC.
Overall record 9-6 in favor of Ganzi, would be interesting to see how will they fair against each other in the upcoming group stage^^.
Seems like IMSeed is going to drop down to Code A once again, hope he can at least show some good games.
If I am not mistaken, Nani will start off against Creator, which he should have a solid chance to win ... then he would probably meet Nestea i nthe winners match ...if he lost, he might still face Creator once again and still advance~ ~ He got solid chance to advance to Ro16
I will give 50% chance for Thorzain to beat Squirtle, Keen has like 50% chance to beat Gumiho..... whlie Squirtle can beat Keen & Gumiho easily any day of a week... so Squirtle should advance no matter what. Thorzain would need some luck to make it out .... hope he can adjust his playstyle quick enough...
Group D... MVP is going to make it out ..I do not care about who the other one would be
Group F... hope MKP will meet up against Parting and both can advance XD.. I just want some good games between them ...
Group G , very interesting, but I am not a fan of anyone from that group...so ..... whatever
On June 01 2012 20:00 SilentSC2 wrote: Do they choose their groups? I thought that only happens when it's time for Ro16?
As has happened for the last 2 GSL, Winner and Runner Up choose their first opponent from Tier 4, then have the other two chosen for them(1 each out of Tier 2 and 3). All other groups are selected not on a totally random basis, but rather, the first matches pair Tier 1 opponents with Tier 4, and Tier 2 with Tier 3. (Which means I was wrong about Squirtle selecting Thorzain...Byun would be a scary choice, and PvP is probably not a great choice either.) Group Selection will commence in Ro16 with the top 4 GSL points for the year in the round of 16 getting to pick a group and their first opponent. Which group they pick does determine where the two who come out will go in the bracket for the final 8. Then each person picked picks one player for the group, then the players picked for a group second complete the process by picking the final 4 players..
Just like you said in an earlier post, Squirtle did not choose Keen... Squirtle is the runner up..so he is the one who pick Thorzain....cannot see why you are wrong...Am I missing sth ?.?
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Or maybe he's picking the freshest GSL player? Maybe its that... maybe....
Put MKP in a group with some of his last slayers.. Symbol in Iron squid Partin in code S and yugioh in Code A
Ive the feeling that he is everytime in a group of Death .. Season 1 DRG and Genius and nestea in the ro of 16 last season Taeja, STC , and Parting.. I think its just unforunate but if u want to win u have to beat everyone.. , i think
Naniwa and Nestea in the same group? I'm loving it! We will probably see some really weird games again.
I don't think GOM could have chosen a more deserving pair of players to invite. Since Naniwa is already in Code S and Stephano will be in season 4 I definitely think Thorzain is the best foreigner to invite. He's done great lately and is a fan-favorite.
Violet is weird in the way that most Koreans who move to another country usually lose their skills gradually. Violet has just become so much better after leaving Korea.
mkp T_T fighting! please win. he can beat anyone, but zzz hope he prepares and tries hard maru T_T in his worst matchup against a great zerg. should beat the other two though byun no TvT haha damn. i think he can take it though creator is managable, i hope he irons out his PvP dislike and owns the group. he can take it pretty easily otherwise leenock has a managable group, hopefully not meeting ace/ace going back to his usual sucky self lol gumiho will have trouble maybe. hope he preps well
On June 01 2012 20:00 SilentSC2 wrote: Do they choose their groups? I thought that only happens when it's time for Ro16?
As has happened for the last 2 GSL, Winner and Runner Up choose their first opponent from Tier 4, then have the other two chosen for them(1 each out of Tier 2 and 3). All other groups are selected not on a totally random basis, but rather, the first matches pair Tier 1 opponents with Tier 4, and Tier 2 with Tier 3. (Which means I was wrong about Squirtle selecting Thorzain...Byun would be a scary choice, and PvP is probably not a great choice either.) Group Selection will commence in Ro16 with the top 4 GSL points for the year in the round of 16 getting to pick a group and their first opponent. Which group they pick does determine where the two who come out will go in the bracket for the final 8. Then each person picked picks one player for the group, then the players picked for a group second complete the process by picking the final 4 players.
I know, that's complicated. But it's about as clear as it can be.
They don't get to choose their group location/number at all. It's: Group A - 1st in point ranking Group B - 4th in point ranking Group C - 3rd in point ranking Group D - 2nd in point ranking.
I love that Naniwa and Nestea were randomly placed into the same group and to top it off they have Creator in their group who is absolutely sick. Thorzain and Violet better bring their A-game(in this case S-game? lol).
I think Group G will bring the most interesting results, Oz is pretty good in PvZ and Maru's no slouch either, DRG might lose once again in the first round! MC will have a cake walk hopefully and maybe lift the GSL for our protoss brethren!
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
Or maybe he's picking the freshest GSL player? Maybe its that... maybe....
I wonder if he just considers Thorzain the weakest player and easiest opponent for himself. Fuck everything else it's all about making it deep in the tournament, making "marketing moves" when picking your opponents doesn't get you in the finals.
And why would Squirtle have grudges towards Thorzain, probably has never even heard of him. :p
Players at MLG Spring Championships: MarineKing DongRaeGu GanZi MC Ryung viOLet Symbol Leenock
Oz ThorZaIN (seeded into open bracket)
Players at DreamHack Open Summer: HerO NaNiwa GanZi TaeJa ThorZaIN
Possible jet lag issues: ThorZaIN plays on 13/06, only 2-3 days after MLG and 1-2 days before DreamHack. GanZi plays right after DreamHack (like a day or so). TaeJa plays 4 days after DreamHack. Not so bad.
On June 01 2012 22:38 Trowa127 wrote: Fuck. Naniwa's group is hardcore.
I think Thorzains style will really suit Korea though. Good luck mate.
It didn't last time, doubt it will now. :p
Considering how small the data size is. Yup, I don't know why people keep banking on that crap. Maybe it's because the casters say the same drivel over and over again because that's all they got.
On June 01 2012 22:45 opterown wrote: Players at MLG Spring Championships: MarineKing DongRaeGu GanZi MC Ryung viOLet Symbol Leenock
Oz ThorZaIN (seeded into open bracket)
Players at DreamHack Open Summer: HerO NaNiwa GanZi TaeJa ThorZaIN
Possible jet lag issues: ThorZaIN plays on 13/06, only 2-3 days after MLG and 1-2 days before DreamHack. GanZi plays right after DreamHack (like a day or so). TaeJa plays 4 days after DreamHack. Not so bad.
Thorzain going to both MLG and Dreamhack, plus playing in GSL. I don't see this ending well.
tvt madness for thorzain might be a good run for him there, as korean tvt is funnily easy on the gls maps unless you miss the air transition. Naniwa also got a group with a good chance to advance out unless his opponent trained really hard.
Group A - Hero for sure, maybe GhostKing the other? Group B - Sick group, probably NesTea and TheStC Group C - Squirtle and a Terran, lol. I like GuMiho if he plays his best, ThorZaIN could be a surprise packet though and Keen is probably the best of the three, on average. Group D - MVP and Genius I think make it out here, SuHoSin could be out of there isntead of Genius though. Group E - MC and SuperNova I think. GanZI has every chance as well, but I like the other two more. Group F - Fuck this group. Parting and MarineKing would win ANY other group (except maybe Squirtle's the way he's been playing the last few weeks/month) so I have to pick them. YugiOh is fantastic though and Symbol is in great form. I'd probably back the two zergs to get out of most groups, but not this one. Group G - Another group of death with four AMAZING players. Oz should be fine if his head is screwed on correctly and you can't bet against DRG to go with him. viOLet is definitely good enough for round of 8 or above though and Maru is brilliant, so I wouldn't put any money down. Group H - TaeJa and Leenock clearly the best here, Ace not usually Code S (but maybe he's improved) quality, IMO and Ryung will only beat TaeJa in this group, which he probably won't get a chance to do. If the games go his way though, Ryung will beat Taeja, so he's got a chance.
I'm in SC2 and my SKT T1 logo shows up? Awesomesauce!
On June 01 2012 22:38 Trowa127 wrote: Fuck. Naniwa's group is hardcore.
I think Thorzains style will really suit Korea though. Good luck mate.
It didn't last time, doubt it will now. :p
Thorzain did pretty good in Code A the last time he was there. The problem was, he was not comfortable enough to go on the offensive. Same problem many foreigners have apparently, as seen in the Code B and GSTL matches.
my personal picks: A - byun, and eiter hero/curious B - creator, nestea C - squirtle, and probably keen? depends if gumiho derps or plays to his full potential (which is scary) D - mvp and happy, i reckon E - ganzi and mc, i think. not if ganzi gets jetlagged from dreamhack though F - symbol and marineking. this is such a yucky group T_T G - dongraegu and maru. this is also such a yucky group zzz H - leenock and taeja, i think. this can be a bit hard to do depending on if ace is still on form, and if ryung can avoid protoss lol
On June 01 2012 22:55 striderxxx wrote: Did they NBA draft rigged this thing to have Nestea and Naniwa in the same group?? lol
Also MKP PartinG #5 or something, not as suspicious as Hornets winning lottery though!
My guess: Curious and ByuN Creator and Nani (by knocking off Prof. Tea) Squitle and GuMiho (ThorZaIN put up a fight and knock off Keen, but lose in final match) Mvp and Genius MC and SuperNova Symbol and MKP (PartinG fumble against two strong Z in his worst match up) DRG and viOLet (TBH viOLet's record vs top P is not that good, but he might pull one out against Oz) Taeja and AcE (Leenock is most likely favored over AcE, but AcE's games are just so damned entertaining)
On June 01 2012 23:06 Belha wrote: Tiers are retarded. So the points in the non-last seasons are almost pointless ¬¬
The way the GSL is set up now and one season being much longer, it makes a lot of sense actually. So many things still happen over the course of one season, that going back more than two months makes the past results almost worthless.
Great groups happy i now get to cheer for two non-koreans, should be cool if theres a nestea nani matchup just for all the hype that would stir up, cant wait for GSL!!!!
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
I don't think Thorzain has a particularly tricky group, but he would have difficulty no matter what group he ended up in. Sure, he's a top-tier foreign player, but he hasn't proven he plays well in the GSL environment yet - like the other foreign players, I think he'll need to develop the correct mentality before he'll be able to perform well.
Of course, I'd be overjoyed to be proven wrong.
I can see Naniwa getting out of his group, so long as he maintains his mentality from last season. Before meeting MVP in Ro8, who was frankly unstoppable, he went 8-1 against some decent players. Creator's on a good run, but Naniwa has very decent PvP, and Naniwa/Nestea could also go either way. Hard to call either way, in the end.
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
Why does MC always get hard fucking groups? Anyway, nice to see violet play his former teammate DRG. Really looking forward to Genius Mvp. I want to see if Mvp will macro and then genius will probably win or if Mvp cheeses let's see if genius can defend that shit.
ROFL I could see Yugioh taking first place in group F. He's really good against Protoss and Parting is not that great in PvZ. He's shown that he's capable of taking out MKP. He's decent at ZvZ. prob a wash against Symbol. Go go Yugioh!
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
So happy that ThorZaIN to code S was true, I really think he has a big chance of doing good in the GSL, preparation matches seems to be something that he does well in.
Of course his group is hard, especially as TvT at least statistically is his worst MU, but neither keen or gumiho are unovercomabel imo.
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
The thing with Thorzain is that one moment he seems weak, and a couple matches later he smashes some of the best players in the world. You cannot underestimate him, if he gets to prepare, Thorzain is one of the most dangerous players out there.
On June 01 2012 23:06 Belha wrote: Tiers are retarded. So the points in the non-last seasons are almost pointless ¬¬
The way the GSL is set up now and one season being much longer, it makes a lot of sense actually. So many things still happen over the course of one season, that going back more than two months makes the past results almost worthless.
Also, a decay of only 10% makes Season 1 results far from "worthless."
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
My point is that he recently smashed a high level korean terran. I would say that a recent match with a lot on the line may be somewhat indicative of where he currently stands in the matchup.
I think the real question is how long he will have to prepare in the slayers house. If he has a good amount of time he shoudl have at least a chance, given the practice partners that he has access to. If his situation is anything like his code A debacle he will have an incredibly hard time.
I'll write my predictions, so I can laugh at how much I failed later
A - Hero, Curious B - Nestea, Creator (I hope Naniwa proves me wrong though) C - Squirtle, GuMiho D - Genius, MVP E - Supernova, Sniper F - MarineKing, YugiOh G - Oz, DongRaeGu H - Leenock, TaeJa
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
My point is that he recently smashed a high level korean terran. I would say that a recent match with a lot on the line may be somewhat indicative of where he currently stands in the matchup.
I think the real question is how long he will have to prepare in the slayers house. If he has a good amount of time he shoudl have at least a chance, given the practice partners that he has access to. If his situation is anything like his code A debacle he will have an incredibly hard time.
Most people overestimate Polt, he isnt even Code S level (last season he got seeded & he dropped out of Code A season before that), so for Thorzain to beat him, and then say he will do well vs Code S terrans not comperable. He beat Polt who is at best Code A level. Thorzain will certantly have a chance, but that chance aint big (and I'm a huge Thorzain fan)
Daamm, Thorzain got a pretty bad group, all three are fantastic vT. And it sucks that him and Keen are in the same group, I want them both to go through! Good luck to him!
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
With just one match-up to practice (PvT), Squirtle should be in the best shape (group C). Thorzain's TvT isn't bad and his group isn't stacked, so he has a chance
With only 13 T this time around, and 10 P and 9 Z, I'm glad to see that we're becoming more balanced in Code S
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
My point is that he recently smashed a high level korean terran. I would say that a recent match with a lot on the line may be somewhat indicative of where he currently stands in the matchup.
I think the real question is how long he will have to prepare in the slayers house. If he has a good amount of time he shoudl have at least a chance, given the practice partners that he has access to. If his situation is anything like his code A debacle he will have an incredibly hard time.
Most people overestimate Polt, he isnt even Code S level (last season he got seeded & he dropped out of Code A season before that), so for Thorzain to beat him, and then say he will do well vs Code S terrans not comperable. He beat Polt who is at best Code A level. Thorzain will certantly have a chance, but that chance aint big (and I'm a huge Thorzain fan)
This is what i was trying to say, but was to much of a fanboy to be as objecive : P I do think that having time to prepare will help Thorzain, given his skill set. Also I do think that polt can be compared to middling Code S players. That he was the last picked opponent in spring arena means that he has a lot of respect from his Code S and Code A peers.
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
My point is that he recently smashed a high level korean terran. I would say that a recent match with a lot on the line may be somewhat indicative of where he currently stands in the matchup.
I think the real question is how long he will have to prepare in the slayers house. If he has a good amount of time he shoudl have at least a chance, given the practice partners that he has access to. If his situation is anything like his code A debacle he will have an incredibly hard time.
Most people overestimate Polt, he isnt even Code S level (last season he got seeded & he dropped out of Code A season before that), so for Thorzain to beat him, and then say he will do well vs Code S terrans not comperable. He beat Polt who is at best Code A level. Thorzain will certantly have a chance, but that chance aint big (and I'm a huge Thorzain fan)
This is what i was trying to say, but was to much of a fanboy to be as objecive : P I do think that having time to prepare will help Thorzain, given his skill set. Also I do think that polt can be compared to middling Code S players. That he was the last picked opponent in spring arena means that he has a lot of respect from his Code S and Code A peers.
Thorzain is going to MLG and Dreamhack, his Code S group is happening in the weekdays between those events.
I highly doubt he will have time to prepare, not to mention jet lag.
What the balls? Group C is one percent of the votes? Squirtle, Thorzain, and Gumiho are all amazing, and Keen has been a code s regular for a very, very long time.
A: Hero. the other could be either Byun or Curious B: Nestea & Creator. so hard to predict for this group C: Squirtle & Keen D: Mvp & Happy. Genuis also has chance to make it out anyway E: MC & Ganzi F: MKP & Symbol. GROUP OF DEATH. I do like Parting but recently I'm in favor of Symbol so I hope he can go through <3 G: DRG & viOLet. Maru is also good enough...Hmmm H: Leenock & Ace
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
Of course i wanted to see liquid do better in the GSTL, but their early elimination means that their two aces have alot more time to work on GSL here's hoping for a liquid vs liquid final!
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
My point is that he recently smashed a high level korean terran. I would say that a recent match with a lot on the line may be somewhat indicative of where he currently stands in the matchup.
I think the real question is how long he will have to prepare in the slayers house. If he has a good amount of time he shoudl have at least a chance, given the practice partners that he has access to. If his situation is anything like his code A debacle he will have an incredibly hard time.
Most people overestimate Polt, he isnt even Code S level (last season he got seeded & he dropped out of Code A season before that), so for Thorzain to beat him, and then say he will do well vs Code S terrans not comperable. He beat Polt who is at best Code A level. Thorzain will certantly have a chance, but that chance aint big (and I'm a huge Thorzain fan)
This is what i was trying to say, but was to much of a fanboy to be as objecive : P I do think that having time to prepare will help Thorzain, given his skill set. Also I do think that polt can be compared to middling Code S players. That he was the last picked opponent in spring arena means that he has a lot of respect from his Code S and Code A peers.
Thorzain is going to MLG and Dreamhack, his Code S group is happening in the weekdays between those events.
I highly doubt he will have time to prepare, not to mention jet lag.
Groups will be scheduled to accommodate foreign tournaments. They won't be played in order
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
He loses to almost every Korean he plays TvT and several other besides.
Plus he's against Squirtle, one of the best Protoss in the world.
He's fucked.
Yeah. Didn't he just lose to Polt in Dreamhack finals? Guy must have terrible TvT.
Yes, take one series and use it to represent his entire matchup instead of looking at all the data. Good comeback right there.
My point is that he recently smashed a high level korean terran. I would say that a recent match with a lot on the line may be somewhat indicative of where he currently stands in the matchup.
I think the real question is how long he will have to prepare in the slayers house. If he has a good amount of time he shoudl have at least a chance, given the practice partners that he has access to. If his situation is anything like his code A debacle he will have an incredibly hard time.
Most people overestimate Polt, he isnt even Code S level (last season he got seeded & he dropped out of Code A season before that), so for Thorzain to beat him, and then say he will do well vs Code S terrans not comperable. He beat Polt who is at best Code A level. Thorzain will certantly have a chance, but that chance aint big (and I'm a huge Thorzain fan)
This is what i was trying to say, but was to much of a fanboy to be as objecive : P I do think that having time to prepare will help Thorzain, given his skill set. Also I do think that polt can be compared to middling Code S players. That he was the last picked opponent in spring arena means that he has a lot of respect from his Code S and Code A peers.
Thorzain is going to MLG and Dreamhack, his Code S group is happening in the weekdays between those events.
I highly doubt he will have time to prepare, not to mention jet lag.
Groups will be scheduled to accommodate foreign tournaments. They won't be played in order
The only way they could possibly move it around to make it better would be to make it after Dreamhack instead of before, and even then he would have gone Sweden > USA > back to Sweden > Korea in 2 weeks, the jet lag would be even worse but he might have a few days to prepare for only GSL I guess.
edit: actually i'm sure he stayed in the US after redbull so scratch that out of there.
Predictions : A- HerO and Curious B- NesTea and NaNiWa C- Squirtle and Keen D- Mvp and Genius E- MC and SuperNova F- MarineKink and Symbol G- DRG and viOLet H- Leenock and TaeJa
Both Naniwa and ThorZain got groups that are favorable for them to advance and only one group with three terrans ganging up on the aliens. Should be a good season of GSL.
On June 01 2012 23:19 An2quamaraN wrote: Congratulations to Violet and Thorzain.
Too bad Thorzain has no chance in making it out of the group.
Lol... your talking about Thorzain here, this guy has some of the best T v T out there, he most definetly has a chance, aswell as he can do huge pvt upsets, i think your jumping the gun on Thorzain being out.......
I think naniwa can make it out of his group, but I doubt he will beat Nestea (unless he has really revved up his PvZ again like it was at MLG providence, since he had so much vP and vT last season). I think he can beat Creater/theSTC though so I feel like him and Nestea will advance.
Poor Thorzain, having so many tournaments around his code S debut :S. If Keen is on his game that night, I feel like it will be Keen/Squirtle. If Tzain is on and Keen is off, i say he has a chance. Unless of course Squirtle is this seasons Genius, and then i believe he will get beaten (but not likely, kids a beast)
Violet (if he is still in beast mode) has a good chance to advance i think, I don't see him beating DRG in ZvZ but anything is possible... however i think he can take the other 2, unless the oZ facter kicks in and he advances to the ro8 again lol...
Group a i can definately see curious taking first place, and depending how hard he tilted fromt GSTL (not very it seems,) i can see hero also making out. IMO whoever wins that first series between them of him or byun, will be the one to advance.
Group D should be a genius and mvp, should be an interesting match to see how they play vs each other (assuming genius is at least somewhat motivated). I can see Line going to the ro48, since happy's TvZ is solid
Group E Supernova is an auto advance followed by dropping out of the R16.... And Ganzi, since he has been on fire lately, unless MC rides the momentum wave of his victory over bomber at the Red bull battlegrounds.
Group F I can actually see both zergs making it out, symbol is on fire and yugoih has a good ZvP (for beating parting, whose PvZ is just avg). IMO it will come down to how MKP's first match goes. If he beats Yugioh in the first game, he will win the series and advance. If he loses he will tilt out of the group. As for parting, will see how he plays now after being smashed by MVP in the Ro4.
As for H, i'd say leenock and taeja. As long as leenock is in his regular form, he should be able to beat both T's. If he loses to Ryung though, i think he will then get knocked out by Ace. If Leenock vs Taeja happens, that should be a sick series as both are really good at that match up (Taeja's splits are a thing of beauty and Leenock is just.... Leenock vs T)
Just my 2 cents (or 10 i guess) from someone who somewhat follows the scene and catchs the odd vod here adn there
Well Squirtle should be happy about his group, only one MU to prepare and his PvT is pretty good. YugiOh really having bad luck here, at least for me he is the underdog in this group against 3 really strong players (advancing still possible for him though). And for my favourite player Oz.. thats gonna be hard, group G will be close. If DRG shows up in his best form he will go through and i am unable to make a prediction for the other three.
A: Byun/Seed (sorry herO D;) Byun is on a roll, Seed is underrated.
B: Nesteaaaaaaaa / aaaaaaaaaaaaa C'mon who else am I gonna pick? :p
C: Squirtle/Gumibro Thorzain could get out depending on how much prep time he gets with Slayers and how much traveling he'll be doing before his matches.
D: MVP/Genius Happy might surprise and get 2nd...maybe even 1st over MVP-senior :p. He's another underrated player that's incredibly solid when he wants to be. Line should have no chance in hell.
E: Supernova/MC Supernova is just all-around solid. Pretty consistent ro16-ro8 material. Never quite looking like a champion though. So I think he'll definitely take 1st. MC is a rather unstable 2nd, but I'll go with him anyway.
F: ...eeenie meeni mini...
G: Violet/DRG Violet is good and has his share of awkward builds, which is why I put him over DRG. Even though I think DRG is the better Zerg overall.
H: Leenock/Taeja Not much to say, Leenock ZvT is the best when he's in top form, his ZvP though...it might actually lose to Ace. Taeja has the advantage over Ryung in TvP and TvZ, perhaps even TvT as of late.
On June 02 2012 00:40 Sankanyo wrote: Sick groups!!~ But wait, did Stephano deny his code s spot again?
Yeah wth, I expected to see Stephano in this...
He's joining next GSL. He's said in interviews he wasn't going to Korea until mid-late summer.
He also said he's only staying for one month, which is not long enough to compete in the entire tournament.
Don't get your hopes up.
I wonder why this is the case. Since he decided to stick around the scene for another year, I thought for sure he'd play some Code S rounds.
As the top foreigner, he's proven himself in pretty much every tournament except for the premier one. And considering he can simply get seeded into Code S of the GSL, I don't see why he wouldn't do this. Perhaps he feels it would take away too much time from other tournaments, and that he could win more money traveling internationally?
Grp A: Hum, poor TL, I go with : Byun, Curious (Oftentimes Curious convinces me with clever and strong play to only fall apart after I bet on him, will it happen again xD?) Grp B: Creator, Nestea - Creator will make it 2-0 (in series), he is very good @ pvp and pvz (imo pvt may be his worst MU) and will overcome naniwa and nestea, and Nestea to beat TheSTC and Naniwa. Grp C: Squirtle, Gumiho - Gumiho has some good TvT Skills, he may even make first place. Grp D: Genius, MVP - I like Line, I like Zenex, but he is not Code S calibre. Happy will fall to MVP in the 5th series. Grp E: Supernova, Ganzi - MC looked more solid in PvT lately, but I honestly think, his builds and strategies are outdated and will be figured out due to the large preparation time for Supernova and Ganzi. Grp F: Marineking, Symbol - Sry Parting Bro! But one matchup won't carry you through this time! Grp G: DRG, Maru - Oz looked very shaky lately and this group is very hard. And for Violet, I don't think the GSL System with the amount of preperation time fits to him, don't expect too much here! Grp H: Ace, Leenock - I don't like Ace anymore after he showed to be a very bad loser (GSTL final) in his post-U/D Interview. But you have to accept that he might be the best player in this grp and showed to be mentally stable. Leenock will ride on his beastly ZvT to 2nd place.
I think the player pool we have here is insane. Everyone is just really good, so each group is really hard to pedict and we will see a lot of surprises.
On June 01 2012 20:00 SilentSC2 wrote: Do they choose their groups? I thought that only happens when it's time for Ro16?
As has happened for the last 2 GSL, Winner and Runner Up choose their first opponent from Tier 4, then have the other two chosen for them(1 each out of Tier 2 and 3). All other groups are selected not on a totally random basis, but rather, the first matches pair Tier 1 opponents with Tier 4, and Tier 2 with Tier 3. (Which means I was wrong about Squirtle selecting Thorzain...Byun would be a scary choice, and PvP is probably not a great choice either.) Group Selection will commence in Ro16 with the top 4 GSL points for the year in the round of 16 getting to pick a group and their first opponent. Which group they pick does determine where the two who come out will go in the bracket for the final 8. Then each person picked picks one player for the group, then the players picked for a group second complete the process by picking the final 4 players..
Just like you said in an earlier post, Squirtle did not choose Keen... Squirtle is the runner up..so he is the one who pick Thorzain....cannot see why you are wrong...Am I missing sth ?.?
Re: what I had meant earlier
I had meant that I viewed Keen as a better choice than Thorzain. I had forgotten that Squirtle was required to pick a player from Tier 4. and Keen finds himself in Tier 3, if only barely. That leaves Thorzain or Ghostking as the two terran options, with Violet, Symbol, and Sniper as the remaining Zerg options. And IF Squirtle wanted to PvP for his first match, Creator and Ace would be the two choices.
Given that the play of Ghostking is pretty scary, and that Violet/Symbol have done really well overseas, that leaves the real options as Thorzain or Sniper. But even Sniper has looked really scary over the last two seasons of Code A. Had MvP left Suhoshin, I would imagine Squirtle would have picked him. As it stands, I endorse the pick of Thorzain.
On June 02 2012 00:40 Sankanyo wrote: Sick groups!!~ But wait, did Stephano deny his code s spot again?
Yeah wth, I expected to see Stephano in this...
He's joining next GSL. He's said in interviews he wasn't going to Korea until mid-late summer.
He also said he's only staying for one month, which is not long enough to compete in the entire tournament.
Don't get your hopes up.
I wonder why this is the case. Since he decided to stick around the scene for another year, I thought for sure he'd play some Code S rounds.
As the top foreigner, he's proven himself in pretty much every tournament except for the premier one. And considering he can simply get seeded into Code S of the GSL, I don't see why he wouldn't do this. Perhaps he feels it would take away too much time from other tournaments, and that he could win more money traveling internationally?
That's probably it, you only really get a good amount of money ( compared to how long the season is and the time/practice commitment involved ) for coming top 2 in GSL and sure Stephano is good, but can he really just waltz into the GSL and get to the finals? doubtful. He knows it himself which is why he will continue to play at international weekend tournaments and make easy money. He has said himself he doesn't care about being the best player and he only wants to earn money, so winning the GSL has no meaning to him only the 45k he would get from it does.
GSL is a huge time commitment and he can make comparable money to ro4 GSL in a single weekend by placing top 3 at an event.
Hero made $4,455 for ro4 Code S last season, Stephano made $5,500 for placing third at the red bull battlegrounds. For time invested it seems like the obvious choice is to continue to wreck the weekend tournaments and ignore GSL.
Of course this will leave fans upset and always with the question " What could have been? " It's unfortunate that he doesn't care enough to participate.
Edit: Please don't confuse this as me saying GSL doesn't pay out enough money to participants, they pay every player in Code A/S which is amazing and their total prize pool for every season is huge. ( $147,920 )
At first I thought Thorzain was a bit odd... he's unproven in the GSL, but he is by no means bad, and his style may prove troublesome for Squirtle. But then... he is unproven, he's not nearly the best terran in the GSL, and his favorite MU is TvT, so by picking Thorzain, Squirtle basically got 2 terrans. As it ended up with 3 in total, I think Squirtle is easily looking at a 4-0 situation.
On June 02 2012 00:40 Sankanyo wrote: Sick groups!!~ But wait, did Stephano deny his code s spot again?
Yeah wth, I expected to see Stephano in this...
He's joining next GSL. He's said in interviews he wasn't going to Korea until mid-late summer.
He also said he's only staying for one month, which is not long enough to compete in the entire tournament.
Don't get your hopes up.
I wonder why this is the case. Since he decided to stick around the scene for another year, I thought for sure he'd play some Code S rounds.
As the top foreigner, he's proven himself in pretty much every tournament except for the premier one. And considering he can simply get seeded into Code S of the GSL, I don't see why he wouldn't do this. Perhaps he feels it would take away too much time from other tournaments, and that he could win more money traveling internationally?
That's probably it, you only really get a good amount of money ( compared to how long the season is and the time/practice commitment involved ) for coming top 2 in GSL and sure Stephano is good, but can he really just waltz into the GSL and get to the finals? doubtful. He knows it himself which is why he will continue to play at international weekend tournaments and make easy money. He has said himself he doesn't care about being the best player and he only wants to earn money, so winning the GSL has no meaning to him only the 45k he would get from it does.
GSL is a huge time commitment and he can make comparable money to ro4 GSL in a single weekend by placing top 3 at an event.
Hero made $4,455 for ro4 Code S last season, Stephano made $5,500 for placing third at the red bull battlegrounds. For time invested it seems like the obvious choice is to continue to wreck the weekend tournaments and ignore GSL.
Of course this will leave fans upset and always with the question " What could have been? " It's unfortunate that he doesn't care enough to participate.
I agree, and thank you for pointing out specific monetary amounts for comparison. Most players go where the money is (teams, tournaments, etc.), even over the chance at more prestige, and that totally makes sense because it's their career/ profession (even if for only a short amount of time). Can't blame Stephano if this is his reasoning, even if it does disappoint his fans (they'll get over it, and hopefully respect his choice). Kid's gotta earn a living, and he's already recognized as a fantastic player.
On June 01 2012 20:00 SilentSC2 wrote: Do they choose their groups? I thought that only happens when it's time for Ro16?
As has happened for the last 2 GSL, Winner and Runner Up choose their first opponent from Tier 4, then have the other two chosen for them(1 each out of Tier 2 and 3). All other groups are selected not on a totally random basis, but rather, the first matches pair Tier 1 opponents with Tier 4, and Tier 2 with Tier 3. (Which means I was wrong about Squirtle selecting Thorzain...Byun would be a scary choice, and PvP is probably not a great choice either.) Group Selection will commence in Ro16 with the top 4 GSL points for the year in the round of 16 getting to pick a group and their first opponent. Which group they pick does determine where the two who come out will go in the bracket for the final 8. Then each person picked picks one player for the group, then the players picked for a group second complete the process by picking the final 4 players.
I know, that's complicated. But it's about as clear as it can be.
They don't get to choose their group location/number at all. It's: Group A - 1st in point ranking Group B - 4th in point ranking Group C - 3rd in point ranking Group D - 2nd in point ranking.
I went back and checked, and you are right. Thanks for the clarification; I had forgotten that bit.
On June 02 2012 00:40 Sankanyo wrote: Sick groups!!~ But wait, did Stephano deny his code s spot again?
Yeah wth, I expected to see Stephano in this...
He's joining next GSL. He's said in interviews he wasn't going to Korea until mid-late summer.
He also said he's only staying for one month, which is not long enough to compete in the entire tournament.
Don't get your hopes up.
I wonder why this is the case. Since he decided to stick around the scene for another year, I thought for sure he'd play some Code S rounds.
As the top foreigner, he's proven himself in pretty much every tournament except for the premier one. And considering he can simply get seeded into Code S of the GSL, I don't see why he wouldn't do this. Perhaps he feels it would take away too much time from other tournaments, and that he could win more money traveling internationally?
That's probably it, you only really get a good amount of money ( compared to how long the season is and the time/practice commitment involved ) for coming top 2 in GSL and sure Stephano is good, but can he really just waltz into the GSL and get to the finals? doubtful. He knows it himself which is why he will continue to play at international weekend tournaments and make easy money. He has said himself he doesn't care about being the best player and he only wants to earn money, so winning the GSL has no meaning to him only the 45k he would get from it does.
GSL is a huge time commitment and he can make comparable money to ro4 GSL in a single weekend by placing top 3 at an event.
Hero made $4,455 for ro4 Code S last season, Stephano made $5,500 for placing third at the red bull battlegrounds. For time invested it seems like the obvious choice is to continue to wreck the weekend tournaments and ignore GSL.
Of course this will leave fans upset and always with the question " What could have been? " It's unfortunate that he doesn't care enough to participate.
Edit: Please don't confuse this as me saying GSL doesn't pay out enough money to participants, they pay every player in Code A/S which is amazing and their total prize pool for every season is huge. ( $147,920 )
I don't know why people care so much about what he does. He has no long term plans when it comes to SC2 and probably won't even be around next year. He's just a player looking to make as much money as he can in a short period of time. You can't fault him for that, I certainly don't. It's not always about the money though. Some players(Naniwa and Jinro for example) want to prove to themselves and also to the world that they can compete with the very best. They're willing to give up the chance to make more money to do so.
On June 02 2012 02:38 GunPaladin wrote: I don't understand why people are voting for group F when Parting and MKP are obvious favorites.
This is so not true.
PartinG's vs Z is mediocre, and could very well 0-2ed by Symbol and YugiOh. In fact, MKP might be the opponent PartinG who has best chance against. MKP lost to Symbol in Iron Squid and to YugiOh in code A R24.
On June 02 2012 02:38 GunPaladin wrote: I don't understand why people are voting for group F when Parting and MKP are obvious favorites.
MKP has lost to every single person in that group recently. Parting isnt as good at PvZ as he is at PvT and Symbol and Yugioh have looked really really good lately.
man, MVP's group is so easy... it's good to be the champion (even though this is random)
G is the toughest by far... Vioet coming from his great overseas triumps, Maru up and coming terran, and Oz who is always a tough customer plus the beast known as DRG.
Several of these groups will be awesome to watch. I'll be keeping a good eye on Thorzain of course, but I'm also looking forward to G and F. Really hope Symbol will do well and add to his already rapidly growing reputation.
On June 02 2012 03:24 Miscellany wrote: I think group A looks pretty crazy. Full of very talented, yet not-quite-proven up and come-ers.
Groups G and H are also insane, this should definitely be interesting.
Group C is the only one I feel confident calling: Squirtle will almost definitely advance with his PvT.
Hopefully the race distribution can stay relatively even for as long as possible this time.
Well.....Gumiho is only inconsistent in that he does not always mech. When he goes mech TvT, he wins....a lot.
Keen is just flat inconsistent, almost random. No matter what the style he is playing, he will have 2/5 bad days in every matchup...that is why he fails so frequently. But if you hit him on good days, he looks unstoppable.
My read on group C is that if Keen is playing well and if Gumiho chooses to mech, they will both advance...unless Thorzain manages to win the first Bo3. Then he is truly in the conversation. Not a bad group for Thorzain, to be frank.
can't wait for this GSL !!!! I think ThorZain could do it since he is very well in preparing which is what you need in GSL :D ! I think Naniwas chances aren't to bad as well. But my personal main interest is in AcE he is such a cool guy and I can't wait to see how he is playing now! 4-1 in Up and Down :D Shame HuK did not even get into code a ! Guess he could get a seed if he wins a major tournament. probably best match ups regarding background stories : PartinG-MKP Naniwa-Nestea obvious :D
On June 01 2012 17:13 Malaz wrote: Thorzain and Naniwa with the easiest groups.
Yeah no Nani has far from the easiest group out there it's actually one of the more difficult ones. Creator, TheSTC, and NesTea are all EXTREAMLY amazing players/"programmers" so you may want to get your facts straight in the future cause those 3 should all give Nani alot to handle he could lose all three games an not feel bad about it they're all really good lol. I expect him to come out of the group second behind NesTea though he could just as easily lose against everyone in group as well.
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
Most overrated group.
"lower-tier" YuGiOh - King Of the code A Symbol - 2nd IronSquid, 2nd MLG spring arena 2. PartinG - last seasons ro4 MKP - 1st winter arena, 1st mlg columbus, 2nd spring arena 1
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
Most overrated group.
This is also the most volatile group, which makes it the group of death.
PartinG's relatively mediocre PvZ and the possibility of fight 2x Z in a row. MKP recently lost to all three in the group. Symbol is absolutely on fire the last few months. To a lesser extent, so is YogiOh.
Any combination of them making out would not be a surprise, really.
Plus: MKP vs PartinG are always pretty epic. MKP's rematch against YugiOh who knocked him into U&D. Symbol as the next hot Zerg.
All these add up to make this the most entertaining group.
On June 02 2012 01:41 TeeTS wrote: Grp A: Hum, poor TL, I go with : Byun, Curious (Oftentimes Curious convinces me with clever and strong play to only fall apart after I bet on him, will it happen again xD?) Grp B: Creator, Nestea - Creator will make it 2-0 (in series), he is very good @ pvp and pvz (imo pvt may be his worst MU) and will overcome naniwa and nestea, and Nestea to beat TheSTC and Naniwa. Grp C: Squirtle, Gumiho - Gumiho has some good TvT Skills, he may even make first place. Grp D: Genius, MVP - I like Line, I like Zenex, but he is not Code S calibre. Happy will fall to MVP in the 5th series. Grp E: Supernova, Ganzi - MC looked more solid in PvT lately, but I honestly think, his builds and strategies are outdated and will be figured out due to the large preparation time for Supernova and Ganzi. Grp F: Marineking, Symbol - Sry Parting Bro! But one matchup won't carry you through this time! Grp G: DRG, Maru - Oz looked very shaky lately and this group is very hard. And for Violet, I don't think the GSL System with the amount of preperation time fits to him, don't expect too much here! Grp H: Ace, Leenock - I don't like Ace anymore after he showed to be a very bad loser (GSTL final) in his post-U/D Interview. But you have to accept that he might be the best player in this grp and showed to be mentally stable. Leenock will ride on his beastly ZvT to 2nd place.
I think the player pool we have here is insane. Everyone is just really good, so each group is really hard to pedict and we will see a lot of surprises.
MC is too versatile as a player to be 'figured out' - he is one of the players who is virtually a master of any style like MVP. That said one thing I have figured out if predictions for GSL are pretty worthless. Any player can beat any here on a given day. It's lnot like BW where you just knew someone would be near impossible to beat.
On June 02 2012 04:42 jobber123rd wrote: So after adjusting for the 10% decay of S1 points, this should be the full GSL point standing as of the group draw.
Decay?!?
Were you by chance one of the designer of WoW's old school pvp ranking system? :p
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
Most overrated group.
This is also the most volatile group, which makes it the group of death.
PartinG's relatively mediocre PvZ and the possibility of fight 2x Z in a row. -->We'll find out just how good he is, in a little bit. MKP recently lost to all three in the group. -->MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game. Symbol is absolutely on fire the last few months. -->Sure, but is it worth caring about. Symbol might just go out early.....I require results at the GSL level before I annoint someone as being a new zerg hope. To a lesser extent, so is YogiOh. -->Some player who has not performed to what the expectations have been. Constantly has impressed CodeA /Sometimes Code S Casters. He did OK during the Up/Downs, but was nothing outstanding. We're still waiting for him to show something to make us really say he belongs in the top 20-40 players in the world.
Any combination of them making out would not be a surprise, really.
Plus: MKP vs PartinG are always pretty epic. MKP's rematch against YugiOh who knocked him into U&D. Symbol as the next hot Zerg.
All these add up to make this the most entertaining group.
On June 02 2012 06:32 thrawn1020 wrote: MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game.
Huh? He won his U&D group with ease. He's still a beast, one of the best players out there. Everyone loses matches sometimes.
Lol @ "MKP may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game". The guy must be top 3 of the most skilled players in SC2, one of the only ones recently to win a macro TvZ against a good opponent (in B4).
On June 02 2012 06:32 thrawn1020 wrote: MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game.
Huh? He won his U&D group with ease. He's still a beast, one of the best players out there. Everyone loses matches sometimes.
On June 02 2012 06:32 thrawn1020 wrote: MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game.
Huh? He won his U&D group with ease. He's still a beast, one of the best players out there. Everyone loses matches sometimes.
He came in second.
He still beat his group with ease, losing only to Ace.
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
Most overrated group.
This is also the most volatile group, which makes it the group of death.
PartinG's relatively mediocre PvZ and the possibility of fight 2x Z in a row. -->We'll find out just how good he is, in a little bit. MKP recently lost to all three in the group. -->MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game. Symbol is absolutely on fire the last few months. -->Sure, but is it worth caring about. Symbol might just go out early.....I require results at the GSL level before I annoint someone as being a new zerg hope. To a lesser extent, so is YogiOh. -->Some player who has not performed to what the expectations have been. Constantly has impressed CodeA /Sometimes Code S Casters. He did OK during the Up/Downs, but was nothing outstanding. We're still waiting for him to show something to make us really say he belongs in the top 20-40 players in the world.
Any combination of them making out would not be a surprise, really.
Plus: MKP vs PartinG are always pretty epic. MKP's rematch against YugiOh who knocked him into U&D. Symbol as the next hot Zerg.
All these add up to make this the most entertaining group.
Edit: My stuff in bold.
If you going to nitpicking you can say similar stuff about all group though
On June 02 2012 06:32 thrawn1020 wrote: MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game.
Huh? He won his U&D group with ease. He's still a beast, one of the best players out there. Everyone loses matches sometimes.
He came in second.
He still beat his group with ease, losing only to Ace.
He destroyed everyone to 4-0 before losing to AcE in a epic fun game where he was trying to give B4 anothre chance at promotion.
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
Most overrated group.
This is also the most volatile group, which makes it the group of death.
PartinG's relatively mediocre PvZ and the possibility of fight 2x Z in a row. -->We'll find out just how good he is, in a little bit. MKP recently lost to all three in the group. -->MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game. Symbol is absolutely on fire the last few months. -->Sure, but is it worth caring about. Symbol might just go out early.....I require results at the GSL level before I annoint someone as being a new zerg hope. To a lesser extent, so is YogiOh. -->Some player who has not performed to what the expectations have been. Constantly has impressed CodeA /Sometimes Code S Casters. He did OK during the Up/Downs, but was nothing outstanding. We're still waiting for him to show something to make us really say he belongs in the top 20-40 players in the world.
Any combination of them making out would not be a surprise, really.
Plus: MKP vs PartinG are always pretty epic. MKP's rematch against YugiOh who knocked him into U&D. Symbol as the next hot Zerg.
All these add up to make this the most entertaining group.
Edit: My stuff in bold.
Is Symbol worth caring about? The hell? You do realize he had to beat sC, Seed, and Jjakji(who he rolled HARD) to get here right? That's a very difficult road that included a gsl champ and opponents who are all very good against zerg. Never mind his recent 2nd places at two major tournaments, winning a lengthy qualifier and getting 2nd in another. Never mind that he's been the most creative Zerg for the past few months. Never mind that he's the sole representative of TSL and this is his first shot at code S. No let's dismiss him for not doing well in code S yet. Yeah fuck that.
Also, I'd say if anything, Yugioh has exceeded what little expectations anyone had for him. At least, for me, this is the first time I'm actually excited to see him play. He played very well against MKP to secure his spot. It wasn't like he just slipped through the cracks this time. He payed the iron price for his code S :p.
On June 02 2012 04:14 hangene92 wrote: I would have to agree with the majority, Group F seems the hardest.
It has two 'lower'-tier players in Symbol and Yugioh. Parting is currently being overshadowed by Squirtle and MC and Marineking hasn't been dominating recently at all.
Most overrated group.
This is also the most volatile group, which makes it the group of death.
PartinG's relatively mediocre PvZ and the possibility of fight 2x Z in a row. -->We'll find out just how good he is, in a little bit. MKP recently lost to all three in the group. -->MKP just barely made it back into Code S. If he struggles this season, is his reign at an end? Live in the now. He may not be Code S material for very long if he doesn't step up his game. Symbol is absolutely on fire the last few months. -->Sure, but is it worth caring about. Symbol might just go out early.....I require results at the GSL level before I annoint someone as being a new zerg hope. To a lesser extent, so is YogiOh. -->Some player who has not performed to what the expectations have been. Constantly has impressed CodeA /Sometimes Code S Casters. He did OK during the Up/Downs, but was nothing outstanding. We're still waiting for him to show something to make us really say he belongs in the top 20-40 players in the world.
Any combination of them making out would not be a surprise, really.
Plus: MKP vs PartinG are always pretty epic. MKP's rematch against YugiOh who knocked him into U&D. Symbol as the next hot Zerg.
All these add up to make this the most entertaining group.
Edit: My stuff in bold.
Is Symbol worth caring about? The hell? You do realize he had to beat sC, Seed, and Jjakji(who he rolled HARD) to get here right? That's a very difficult road that included a gsl champ and opponents who are all very good against zerg. Never mind his recent 2nd places at two major tournaments, winning a lengthy qualifier and getting 2nd in another. Never mind that he's been the most creative Zerg for the past few months. Never mind that he's the sole representative of TSL and this is his first shot at code S. No let's dismiss him for not doing well in code S yet. Yeah fuck that.
Also, I'd say if anything, Yugioh has exceeded what little expectations anyone had for him. At least, for me, this is the first time I'm actually excited to see him play. He played very well against MKP to secure his spot. It wasn't like he just slipped through the cracks this time. He payed the iron price for his code S :p.
What he actually meant to say is that he has no idea who Symbol is and that he hasn't seem him play, therefore he's not very good.
I'm surprised how quickly people are jumping on MKPs grave (Or should I say, I'm surprised how stupid thrawn is being, to try and state that someone like MKP is bad if you "live in the now"). Regardless of who the other players in his group are, it was only 2 months ago that MKP was LITERALLY being introduced by every caster who cared to commentate his games, as "The Best Player In The World", repeatedly. (Except maybe Artosis, and we all know the Artosis curse, so thats probably a good sign)
On top of that, MKP has been inches away from GSL titles since 2010. If ANYONE is going to suddenly fall off in a 2 months span and be left behind by the metagame, I'm pretty sure its not gonna be a guy who has maintained consistently Code S form since 2010. His worst result in that time was getting 13th in 2011 MLG providence against a STACKED bracket, including MVP, Leenock, MMA, etc.
Who knocked him out? MVP. The Best Terran in the World at the time. And the current GSL champ.
2 months might be an appreciable amount of time in SC2, and we've seen players fall off in that time, but MKP is still unbelievably good, and he's already long proven he's not some flash in the pan who got lucky in getting into Code S. He's a monster, and regardless of recent results, any player that gets him in their group and doesn't fear him just a little, is underestimating him. And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that.
Group F = Group of death. MKP isn't by any stretch an underdog like some people seem to think. Symbol is battling to prove his good form isn't a passing phase, YuGiOh and Parting are both just really, REALLY good players.
If I had to rank the group in terms of overall skill though, I'd have to say: MKP, Parting, Symbol, YuGiOh.
Group A: Hero GhostKing Group B: Creator NesTea Group C: Squirtle Keen Group D: Mvp Happy Group E: Sniper MC Group F: PartinG MKP Group G: Maru DRG Group H: Taeja Leenock
I'm giving MKP a chance given that he usually bounces back in GSL after going to up and downs right away.
So that would be:
5 Protoss 7 Terran 4 Zerg
Which is a pretty good balance of races Even better if Symbol makes it over MKP which would give 5 6 5
Group A: Hero, GhostKing -Chance of Getting out (or this occuring): 4/5 Notes: Seed is unproven and has not shown Code S level play, despite the hype. Curious does not stand a chance vs Hero, and GhostKing is on fire.
Group B Nestea, Creator -Chance of Getting out: 2/5 Notes: This group can go ANY way. Naniwa can easily beat Creator in a PvP, and TheSTC defeated freaking DRG last season easily. But I'm going with a revived Nestea (who has been out of Code S in RO32 2 seasons in a row) and a Creator with good PvP.
Group C Squirtle, ThorZaIN Chances of Getting Out: 4/5 Notes: Squirtle is a sure go. However, I hope he isn't too affected by his loss in the finals (runner-up curse). I believe thorZaIN, with the help of SlayerS house, can defeated GuMiho in a TvT. Keen is a no-go, even though he beat MMA (MMA played shitty).
Group D MVP, Genius Chances of Getting Out: 4/5 Notes: Only upset here could be Happy over Genius. However, I like Genius's PvT. Also, as SlayerS_Miya says, Protoss imba.
Group E SuperNoVa, MC Chances of Getting Out: 3/5 Notes: Even though GanZI may have MC's number at times, GanZI's TvP is shit. Also, MC should have the advantage in the GSL. Sniper could come up big here, defeating both MC and SuperNova, but I have faith in Supernova.
Group F Marineking, Parting Chances of Getting Out: 3/5 Notes: First, Marineking WILL beat YuGiOh. After a close series in Code A, Marineking will study those games and I am sure he will be back and crush YuGiOh. Symbol Parting can go either way, but I give the edge to Parting. Yeah, every one of these guys can defeat MKP, but Marineking will learn and adapt.
Group G DongRaeGu, viOLet Chances of Getting Out: 3/5 Notes: Idk why everyone is freaking out about this group. Oz has lost his fire, and I believe Maru is overrated. Dongraegu is a for sure go, and I will violet's ZvP over Oz. However, Violet might be different in the GSL than in overseas tournaments.
Group H Leenock, Ryung Chances of Getting out: 4/5 Notes: Taeja will crush Ace. Idk how the hell he got into Code S. And in TvT , I give Ryung the edge over Taeja.
Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.
I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.
Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.
I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.
Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."
Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.
Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".
On June 02 2012 09:06 SpecFire wrote: Group A: Hero, GhostKing -Chance of Getting out (or this occuring): 4/5 Notes: Seed is unproven and has not shown Code S level play, despite the hype. Curious does not stand a chance vs Hero, and GhostKing is on fire.
Group B Nestea, Creator -Chance of Getting out: 2/5 Notes: This group can go ANY way. Naniwa can easily beat Creator in a PvP, and TheSTC defeated freaking DRG last season easily. But I'm going with a revived Nestea (who has been out of Code S in RO32 2 seasons in a row) and a Creator with good PvP.
Group C Squirtle, ThorZaIN Chances of Getting Out: 4/5 Notes: Squirtle is a sure go. However, I hope he isn't too affected by his loss in the finals (runner-up curse). I believe thorZaIN, with the help of SlayerS house, can defeated GuMiho in a TvT. Keen is a no-go, even though he beat MMA (MMA played shitty).
Group D MVP, Genius Chances of Getting Out: 4/5 Notes: Only upset here could be Happy over Genius. However, I like Genius's PvT. Also, as SlayerS_Miya says, Protoss imba.
Group E SuperNoVa, MC Chances of Getting Out: 3/5 Notes: Even though GanZI may have MC's number at times, GanZI's TvP is shit. Also, MC should have the advantage in the GSL. Sniper could come up big here, defeating both MC and SuperNova, but I have faith in Supernova.
Group F Marineking, Parting Chances of Getting Out: 3/5 Notes: First, Marineking WILL beat YuGiOh. After a close series in Code A, Marineking will study those games and I am sure he will be back and crush YuGiOh. Symbol Parting can go either way, but I give the edge to Parting. Yeah, every one of these guys can defeat MKP, but Marineking will learn and adapt.
Group G DongRaeGu, viOLet Chances of Getting Out: 3/5 Notes: Idk why everyone is freaking out about this group. Oz has lost his fire, and I believe Maru is overrated. Dongraegu is a for sure go, and I will violet's ZvP over Oz. However, Violet might be different in the GSL than in overseas tournaments.
Group H Leenock, Ryung Chances of Getting out: 4/5 Notes: Taeja will crush Ace. Idk how the hell he got into Code S. And in TvT , I give Ryung the edge over Taeja.
Lemme know what you guys think.
I lol'd at you thinking ThorZaiN will get out of his group.. it is his best matchup though, I believe. And I think Taeja might be better at TvT than Ryung right now, he's been stomping his TvTs lately besides the Red Bull games vs Bomber which I didn't watch XD. As a terran I'm rooting for Maru and I'm not sure Violet is ready for Code S since we haven't seen him play in it for so long.
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote: Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.
I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.
Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.
I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.
Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."
Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.
Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".
I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.
I can't find it.
What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)
As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote: Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."
Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.
Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote: Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.
I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.
Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.
I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.
Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."
Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.
Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".
I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.
I can't find it.
What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)
As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.
I watch those other tournaments too. That's why I talk about the quality of the games. Nobody said those games were terrible but you. YOU were the one who said that Red Bull Battlegrounds and an MLG were the same, even though one has over 100 more players in it and a TON more recognition. And I did never say that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from some tournament if it is paying out. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position. But the best play in the world comes from the GSL. And that is the yardstick by which people are measured in terms of skill, like it or not. There is a reason foreigners _choose_ to play at the GSL. It is the MOST prestigious tournament on the planet, period. It is not about the money; it is about winning the toughest tournament in the world. People like Naniwa don't give a damn about winning an MLG because GSL exists and is a higher quality win. And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. Call me when MKP wins.
Feel free to disagree with me; I'll live. But I don't want to watch games where one side has to pull an all-nighter just to play a game live. Call me when the NASL is holding nightly events that I can fly to and attend on a regular basis, for free. It will happen; whether or not the NASL is the first one on this side of the ocean to do it is another matter. I'll be waiting; I'll definitely be watching if they can make that happen.
I think Group B will be the toughest, Nani is going to be looking for validation that it wasn't a fluke, and Nestea is.. well.. Nestea.. The StC is not to be underestimated with a solid long game. It's deff between F and B, but only because MKP sqewers the numbers..
You know, group F is the one that completely baffles me. If you asked me who would make it out I couldn't tell you. Parting and Symbol are both clearly top tier, YGO looked strong in Code A, and MKP is, well, MKP. I honestly don't know who's coming out on top there.
Imo, I don't actually think there is a definitive "Group of Death" this time. For the most part I think they're all pretty balanced this season. Yes, some are harder than others, and yes, group F will be fun to watch because of Parting and MarineKing, but for the most part I think they're all pretty close. Gonna be a lot of good matches this season for sure!
Groups so far seem quite balanced, it's sort of tough to predict a group where 2 players are "sure to pass", it's 1 at best, and still, pretty close call.
On June 03 2012 04:13 Warpath wrote: looks like people are mistaking 'group of death' with 'which group has the best player' group Fs outcome, barring upsets, is painfully obvious.
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote: Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.
I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.
Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.
I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.
Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."
Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.
Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".
I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.
I can't find it.
What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)
As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.
I watch those other tournaments too. That's why I talk about the quality of the games. Nobody said those games were terrible but you. YOU were the one who said that Red Bull Battlegrounds and an MLG were the same, even though one has over 100 more players in it and a TON more recognition. And I did never say that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from some tournament if it is paying out. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position. But the best play in the world comes from the GSL. And that is the yardstick by which people are measured in terms of skill, like it or not. There is a reason foreigners _choose_ to play at the GSL. It is the MOST prestigious tournament on the planet, period. It is not about the money; it is about winning the toughest tournament in the world. People like Naniwa don't give a damn about winning an MLG because GSL exists and is a higher quality win. And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. Call me when MKP wins.
Feel free to disagree with me; I'll live. But I don't want to watch games where one side has to pull an all-nighter just to play a game live. Call me when the NASL is holding nightly events that I can fly to and attend on a regular basis, for free. It will happen; whether or not the NASL is the first one on this side of the ocean to do it is another matter. I'll be waiting; I'll definitely be watching if they can make that happen.
You started off talking about things I'd said, then you miraculously veered off into talking about completely unrelated things like prize money? And being able to fly to the tournament and get in for free? What the actual fuck are you smoking? There's no coherent train of thought in this entire damned post.
Group A: The only person I'm sold on is Ghostking. I would expect Seed to be 3rd or 4th, but it's hard to say which. Group B: Creator/Nestea, with Naniwa an outside chance. theSTC is on the outside looking in. Group C: Gumiho/Squirtle, with Keen looking outmatched. I wish Thorzain the best. Group D: MVP/Genius. Happy maybe with the surprise. Group E: MC/Supernova, though I'm pulling for Sniper. Group F: Symbol/MKP. It's a really tough group for Parting, and good luck to yugioh. Group G: lots to say about this one. Will Maru come through? Will Violet perform well in this format? Can DRG shake off an awful performance in Season 2? I believe so. DRG/Oz are the two picks, with Maru being the longshot Group H: Is Ace going to perform as well as he did in the Up and Downs? He is definitely hard to predict. Maybe he has some new form. In this group, however, 3rd would be an upset. Leenock/Ryung, with Taeja/Ryung being basically a coinflip between them.
Oh, and gun to my head, Hero in the second spot in Group A.
On June 02 2012 09:11 thrawn1020 wrote: Well, @FrostedMiniWheats and @Witten, neither one of you seems to have understood what I was saying.
I saw Symbol play. He was good. I know he has good results in foreign tournaments. I've seen the record.
Jjakji: didn't make it back into Code S. Also wildly overrated for his play in recent months. Sc: Struggling with his health, sure; but what league is he in? Code B. NO offense intended there, but he is in Code B. And lastly, Seed. Low-tier Code S player. Likely to perennially be in the Up and Down matches. I want better for him, but he hasn't shown it yet.
I want to see players do well coming out of Code B, don't get me wrong. I'm no Yonghwa apologist. There are people who have repeatedly qualified since we knew about Yonghwa. I know, the Code A qualifier is hard; but there are players who are more deserving of Code A slots; many are in Code A now.
Quoting GuitarBizarre "And on MKP's side, he's not going to fall apart just because of a few recent losses, he's been around too long for that."
Really, nobody has been around too long for that. Nobody is proven. MKP has one of the worst styles of any of the Code S terrans remaining for TvT. Only Happy and theSTC are worse, and they are at least practicing the right styles. And if you think that MKP can't fall out just because he survived GomTvT, then I urge you to watch the first round of Code A. Bring your handkerchief; there will be crying involved when some of your favorite old Terrans fall out. At this point, MKP is too good to lose out of Code A, but I see him as easily able to slip out of Code S and have some trouble coming back. This is no weekend tournament; This is a preparation-based format where it is not merely the best player at playing 30 games in a row who wins, it is the player who can define what it is about the other player they can attack and break down, and then execute it. And second places in foreign events that happen over a weekend, and/or old GSL formats that involved a lot of substandard players, don't mean diddly to me. I don't pay for the GSL to watch ladder games; I judge based on the best, most prepared games possible, with a specific opponent in mind. And the GSL has delivered. Casters can say what they want; words are wind. They are paid for them. MKP has been the best performer abroad in weekend tournaments -- congratulations to him. But I have more respect for players who win a GSL than players who win any foreign tournament -- excepting Jjakji, who has fallen off precipitously since he won.
Oh, and never, ever, did I say I thought MKP was "bad".
I'm looking for the part of that post where you actually made any points.
I can't find it.
What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)
As for "ZOMG GSL IS THE ONLY TOURNAMENT THAT MATTERS" - Get off your high horse, really. A tournament is a tournament is a tournament. If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere. Does preparation time change the game some? Yes. Does it invalidate anything else? Fuck no.
I watch those other tournaments too. That's why I talk about the quality of the games. Nobody said those games were terrible but you. YOU were the one who said that Red Bull Battlegrounds and an MLG were the same, even though one has over 100 more players in it and a TON more recognition. And I did never say that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from some tournament if it is paying out. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position. But the best play in the world comes from the GSL. And that is the yardstick by which people are measured in terms of skill, like it or not. There is a reason foreigners _choose_ to play at the GSL. It is the MOST prestigious tournament on the planet, period. It is not about the money; it is about winning the toughest tournament in the world. People like Naniwa don't give a damn about winning an MLG because GSL exists and is a higher quality win. And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. Call me when MKP wins.
Feel free to disagree with me; I'll live. But I don't want to watch games where one side has to pull an all-nighter just to play a game live. Call me when the NASL is holding nightly events that I can fly to and attend on a regular basis, for free. It will happen; whether or not the NASL is the first one on this side of the ocean to do it is another matter. I'll be waiting; I'll definitely be watching if they can make that happen.
You started off talking about things I'd said, then you miraculously veered off into talking about completely unrelated things like prize money? And being able to fly to the tournament and get in for free? What the actual fuck are you smoking? There's no coherent train of thought in this entire damned post.
It's time to quote a little bit of what you said, with rebuttal.
The true fact is, not all tournaments are created equal. Many of them aren't worth paying any attention to at all. But don't take my word for it. Look at who doesn't even bother to play, money and everything else. How many events does Nestea play in? How many does MVP travel to? Why did players like Heart and Killer go to Complexity? It's because they needed the financial support to travel to other tournaments, which they had to go to because they weren't making as much money staying in Korea as they wanted. Heart is one of those players who just needs to put it together and do it in the booth; he's a monster weekend player. Lots of stamina, but continually underwhelming in a format where people can break his style down, and attack it aggressively.
"What I can find is you repeatedly asserting that MKP has a bad style (Disagree, it kills players just as well as anyone elses style.), and that there is a "Right" style for T (Again, disagree. No such thing as a "right" style. Anything can lose.)"
What I assert is that there is a wrong style, not that there is a "right" one.
"If MKP is beating good players anywhere, he can beat them anywhere."
The players who are good at online events and can't hack it in live tournaments are everywhere. There are a million of them for one who can get in a booth in front of a crowd and do it there. When you assume that being in the studio and having them put makeup on you doesn't do something to the player, you are wrong. I don't want to see MKP beat good players somewhere else. I want to see him do it in the GSL studio, against a player who has known about his matchup for a week, and had time to practice for it. DRG did it. MVP does it. Nestea has done it. As much as Jjakji has fallen off, he did it once. MC has done it. Nobody remembers second place. Even though Squirtle is scary right now, in two months if he doesn't back it up with another strong performance, he'll be just another face in the crowd. You know, Inca got second once too. Where is he now? Second place in a GSL means "You're on the radar. Now do it. Again." But if you go out there and botch it for 4 months, it was just a flash in the pan, and we have a ton more games to judge you accurately on.
"Does preparation time change the game some?" Preparation changes everything. I would explain, but if you cannot see the difference between a player playing 60 hours in one matchup against a specific style, and one who is going in cold for his 4th bo3 in a single day, then I'm wasting my time. There is a reason that the most innovative play comes from practicing, not playing tournament games.
"Does it invalidate anything else?" It's time to quote what I said before.
"And I [never said] that anyone should not seek to make money off the game from [a] tournament if it is [worth it]. If MKP can go overseas and make better money than what he can do in a Preparation-based format, more power to him. I'd do the same in his position." Simple, and clear. Again, you are putting words in my mouth when you assert that I'm invalidating other results. I'm just putting them in perspective. What makes the GSL different is that it requires acquiring and maintaining a constant level of skill over a two month period of time, played out over many days.
We all want MKP to win a GSL. I'd be the first to congratulate him when he does.
And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. What makes the GSL different is that it requires acquiring and maintaining a constant level of skill over a two month period of time, played out over many days.
I always wonder about that. I feel as though practicing the same match is an entirely different level of activity than playing all of them. Being better at one match for a time as opposed to good but not near perfect at them all. Working only on engines for years doesn't necessarily make you a better mechanic than someone who can repair engine problems along with issues with your struts even if you may be able to work on the engine slightly more efficiently.
This debate reminds me of doctors... General practioners versus specialists; the gastroenterologist may be better equipped to handle issues of the stomach but he isn't an inherently better doctor.
I do see your point, but of course the practice for one matchup only begins in the Round of 8 and above, or is the result of a lucky group in the earlier rounds. So I guess if Squirtle gets through, maybe we say "well, but he only played one matchup in that group, we'll see how he does in the round of 16." In most of the early stages, players have to play several matchups to get through...but they do know the player ahead of time. I'm sure practicing for Parting is much different than practicing for Creator though. It's that difference that makes the prep so important to me. I don't want to watch the best generalized PvT in the world, I want to watch the player who can find tactics within their style to throw at opponents and beat them. And then next week, in a different matchup, maybe one they are weaker at, they are able to do the same thing. Without this practice time, and the pressure to succeed, the game we watch would be very different. Sometimes a player finds something that can be generalized; sometimes they just do something established, concealed well. Either way, it is in the searching during the prep time that the level of play progresses.
On June 03 2012 10:27 thrawn1020 wrote: @Prophanity
I do see your point, but of course the practice for one matchup only begins in the Round of 8 and above, or is the result of a lucky group in the earlier rounds. So I guess if Squirtle gets through, maybe we say "well, but he only played one matchup in that group, we'll see how he does in the round of 16." In most of the early stages, players have to play several matchups to get through...but they do know the player ahead of time. I'm sure practicing for Parting is much different than practicing for Creator though. It's that difference that makes the prep so important to me. I don't want to watch the best generalized PvT in the world, I want to watch the player who can find tactics within their style to throw at opponents and beat them. And then next week, in a different matchup, maybe one they are weaker at, they are able to do the same thing. Without this practice time, and the pressure to succeed, the game we watch would be very different. Sometimes a player finds something that can be generalized; sometimes they just do something established, concealed well. Either way, it is in the searching during the prep time that the level of play progresses.
this shit irritates me, just fucking quote the guy.
And frankly, without a GSL win, nobody in the world can lay claim to the title of best in the world. And THAT is why I watch. What makes the GSL different is that it requires acquiring and maintaining a constant level of skill over a two month period of time, played out over many days.
In response, Prophanity said,
I always wonder about that. I feel as though practicing the same match is an entirely different level of activity than playing all of them. Being better at one match for a time as opposed to good but not near perfect at them all. Working only on engines for years doesn't necessarily make you a better mechanic than someone who can repair engine problems along with issues with your struts even if you may be able to work on the engine slightly more efficiently.
This debate reminds me of doctors... General practioners versus specialists; the gastroenterologist may be better equipped to handle issues of the stomach but he isn't an inherently better doctor.
And I replied,
I do see your point, but of course the practice for one matchup only begins in the Round of 8 and above, or is the result of a lucky group in the earlier rounds. So I guess if Squirtle gets through, maybe we say "well, but he only played one matchup in that group, we'll see how he does in the round of 16." In most of the early stages, players have to play several matchups to get through...but they do know the player ahead of time. I'm sure practicing for Parting is much different than practicing for Creator though. It's that difference that makes the prep so important to me. I don't want to watch the best generalized PvT in the world, I want to watch the player who can find tactics within their style to throw at opponents and beat them. And then next week, in a different matchup, maybe one they are weaker at, they are able to do the same thing. Without this practice time, and the pressure to succeed, the game we watch would be very different. Sometimes a player finds something that can be generalized; sometimes they just do something established, concealed well. Either way, it is in the searching during the prep time that the level of play progresses.
On June 03 2012 10:27 thrawn1020 wrote: @Prophanity
I do see your point, but of course the practice for one matchup only begins in the Round of 8 and above, or is the result of a lucky group in the earlier rounds. So I guess if Squirtle gets through, maybe we say "well, but he only played one matchup in that group, we'll see how he does in the round of 16." In most of the early stages, players have to play several matchups to get through...but they do know the player ahead of time. I'm sure practicing for Parting is much different than practicing for Creator though. It's that difference that makes the prep so important to me. I don't want to watch the best generalized PvT in the world, I want to watch the player who can find tactics within their style to throw at opponents and beat them. And then next week, in a different matchup, maybe one they are weaker at, they are able to do the same thing. Without this practice time, and the pressure to succeed, the game we watch would be very different. Sometimes a player finds something that can be generalized; sometimes they just do something established, concealed well. Either way, it is in the searching during the prep time that the level of play progresses.
Fair enough. I too am not discrediting the GSL at all and love it equally; it is just an apples and oranges thing in comparison to me.
On June 03 2012 10:27 thrawn1020 wrote: @Prophanity
I do see your point, but of course the practice for one matchup only begins in the Round of 8 and above, or is the result of a lucky group in the earlier rounds. So I guess if Squirtle gets through, maybe we say "well, but he only played one matchup in that group, we'll see how he does in the round of 16." In most of the early stages, players have to play several matchups to get through...but they do know the player ahead of time. I'm sure practicing for Parting is much different than practicing for Creator though. It's that difference that makes the prep so important to me. I don't want to watch the best generalized PvT in the world, I want to watch the player who can find tactics within their style to throw at opponents and beat them. And then next week, in a different matchup, maybe one they are weaker at, they are able to do the same thing. Without this practice time, and the pressure to succeed, the game we watch would be very different. Sometimes a player finds something that can be generalized; sometimes they just do something established, concealed well. Either way, it is in the searching during the prep time that the level of play progresses.
Fair enough. I too am not discrediting the GSL at all and love it equally; it is just an apples and oranges thing in comparison to me.
You are quite right. It is a different skillset that is being tested. And being good at holding it together, stringing 3 12 hour days together, is a hard thing. With flights on either side. That's really hard. I totally understand when people underwhelm at events that are a long way away. I respect, too, those players who can put together great performances week in, week out in events around the world. That's crazy hard. I watch those other events too; I can't get enough of this game.
I went to a Magic Grand Prix, years ago. It was a team event. We damn near made day 2. Maybe we would have, but I couldn't even think after 9 hours of trying to think clearly. I respect totally those people who can put together a strong performance over a weekend; I understand it. It's a different game than the one where you have 10 days to prepare for an opponent though; all apples and oranges. I hope MKP can prepare well enough to get through this; it's a veritable shakeout of Terrans right now. I hope he's focused.
I hope I'm wrong but I can't see ThorZaIN getting out of his group. Even if Keen decides to play like a code B player this time, Gumiho is really good vT and Squirtle way too good atm.
Naniwa should be pretty happy, he has to practice 3 matchups, while TheSTC and Nestea only have to practice 2, but nobody in the group is really amazing vs P. I think Naniwa is favourite vs Creator and he has beaten Nestea before. TheSTC is the most volatile to predict, I expect him to cheese at least once and thrown in another allin at least once, so Naniwa needs to make sure his builds can hold anything like that, but knowing Naniwa his builds will be refined to the point that anything aside from perfection on his end will result in a painful loss. In the long game TheSTC will still be dangerous but I'd give Nanners the edge.
On June 01 2012 17:04 TiTanIum_ wrote: Funny that Nani chose Creator. hum... I wonder why... trolololol
Do you know how to read? Please read the thread next time before commenting...
Do you realize that the comment was made THREE DAYS AGO, and that the post directly under his states that only MVP and squirtle got to pick their players? For a person telling him to read you clearly didn't do the best job.
On June 04 2012 06:04 Aeceus wrote: Why is DRG in tier 2 with 4800 points? do the points actually mean anything?
Among other things, it means that Tier 2 players will not play against last season's top 8, or the best other 7 players for the year in their first matches. Which sounds damn important when winning your first match in the Ro32 guarantees you a slot in Code A for the following season, and a much better shot at getting Code S back _even if you completely botch everything beyond that first match_. It also guarantees a shot at the Up and Downs if you lose your Round 2 Code A match.
For the record, the top two tiers are:
T1(paired with T4; MVP and Squirtle chose their opponents from T4): MVP Squirtle Parting Hero Supernova Oz Taeja Naniwa
Tier 2(paired with T3): DRG Genius Gumiho MC MKP Leenock Nestea Curious
And T3(paired with T2): Ganzi theSTC Maru Ryung Seed Happy Keen Yugioh
T4(paired with last season's T8): Sniper Creator Ace Suhosin Symbol Ghostking Violet Thorzain
I won't attempt to speak for others, but T3 is scarily consistent to me compared to the bottom 8. So yeah, the points totals are very important IMO.
On June 04 2012 06:04 Aeceus wrote: Why is DRG in tier 2 with 4800 points? do the points actually mean anything?
Among other things, it means that Tier 2 players will not play against last season's top 8, or the best other 7 players for the year in their first matches. Which sounds damn important when winning your first match in the Ro32 guarantees you a slot in Code A for the following season, and a much better shot at getting Code S back _even if you completely botch everything beyond that first match_. It also guarantees a shot at the Up and Downs if you lose your Round 2 Code A match.
For the record, the top two tiers are:
T1(paired with T4; MVP and Squirtle chose their opponents from T4): MVP Squirtle Parting Hero Supernova Oz Taeja Naniwa
Tier 2(paired with T3): DRG Genius Gumiho MC MKP Leenock Nestea Curious
And T3(paired with T2): Ganzi theSTC Maru Ryung Seed Happy Keen Yugioh
T4(paired with last season's T8): Sniper Creator Ace Suhosin Symbol Ghostking Violet Thorzain
I won't attempt to speak for others, but T3 is scarily consistent to me compared to the bottom 8. So yeah, the points totals are very important IMO.
Um you're totally wrong. Tier 2 can play with Tier 1, idk where you got that from. Nestea plays Naniwa, MVP plays Genius, Supernova plays MC. Unless you mean play in the first set in their group.
On June 04 2012 06:04 Aeceus wrote: Why is DRG in tier 2 with 4800 points? do the points actually mean anything?
Among other things, it means that Tier 2 players will not play against last season's top 8, or the best other 7 players for the year in their first matches. Which sounds damn important when winning your first match in the Ro32 guarantees you a slot in Code A for the following season, and a much better shot at getting Code S back _even if you completely botch everything beyond that first match_. It also guarantees a shot at the Up and Downs if you lose your Round 2 Code A match.
For the record, the top two tiers are:
T1(paired with T4; MVP and Squirtle chose their opponents from T4): MVP Squirtle Parting Hero Supernova Oz Taeja Naniwa
Tier 2(paired with T3): DRG Genius Gumiho MC MKP Leenock Nestea Curious
And T3(paired with T2): Ganzi theSTC Maru Ryung Seed Happy Keen Yugioh
T4(paired with last season's T8): Sniper Creator Ace Suhosin Symbol Ghostking Violet Thorzain
I won't attempt to speak for others, but T3 is scarily consistent to me compared to the bottom 8. So yeah, the points totals are very important IMO.
Um you're totally wrong. Tier 2 can play with Tier 1, idk where you got that from. Nestea plays Naniwa, MVP plays Genius, Supernova plays MC. Unless you mean play in the first set in their group.
Group A: HerO/Curious Group B: NesTea/Creator Group C: Squirtle/ThorZaiN Group D: Genius/MVP Group E:MC/SuperNoVa Group F:MKP/Symbol Group G: viOLet/DRG Group H: Ace/TaeJa
Group G is probably the hardest overall group because every player is Code S caliber while Group F has 3 amazing players and one as of yet unproven YuGiOh
Probably looking forward to these groups the most, along with all the foreigner groups of course.
On June 01 2012 17:14 SpecFire wrote: Nestea Naniwa round 3 too
Round 6 actually, they met at Blizzcon the first time where Nestea won 2-1. Then they met in the MLG Global Invitational Finals where Naniwa won 2-1. Then 2-1 at MLG Providence. After that came the proberush incident. Lastly was the MLG Winter Arena where Naniwa won 2-1.
On June 01 2012 17:11 naux wrote: Dumb marketing move from Squirtle to pick an foreigner in EGThorZaiN, couldve picked any other player and chooses the foreigner who beat NaNiwa in TSL just feel its a grudge move then anything else.. & SuperNoVa and TheSTC not on a team by now is mind blogging to me.. like Liquid pick up SuperNoVa already, he has Liquid written all over him
His name isn't odd enough for liquid. And heros an exception because his play is so liquid
On June 06 2012 01:55 ChaiNs wrote: I must be behind on the news. I thought Stephano received a Code S seed for this season. Can anyone explain what happened?
They gave it to Violet. And I really think that Stephano deserves seed more, than ThorZain. But, I guess making some loud wins on some loud tournaments matters more to GSL.
On June 06 2012 01:55 ChaiNs wrote: I must be behind on the news. I thought Stephano received a Code S seed for this season. Can anyone explain what happened?
He decided to push his trip to Korea back to August. I hope he'll have time to come in early to join TSL if they make Ro4 in GSTL.
On June 06 2012 01:55 ChaiNs wrote: I must be behind on the news. I thought Stephano received a Code S seed for this season. Can anyone explain what happened?
They gave it to Violet. And I really think that Stephano deserves seed more, than ThorZain. But, I guess making some loud wins on some loud tournaments matters more to GSL.
Actually he turned it down, maybe you should check the facts before you start sprouting bullshit.
On June 06 2012 08:05 opterown wrote: lol at all the people still asking about steph.
It's understandable; "Stephano taking a Code S seed" had a big announcement, while (AFAIK) the revision to "Stephano going to Korea in August" was made known from Stephano just answering a question in the middle of an unrelated interview.
(Vote): HerO and Byun (Vote): HerO and Seed (Vote): HerO and Curious (Vote): Byun and Seed (Vote): Byun and Curious (Vote): Seed and Curious
Poll: Who will advance?
NaNiwa and NesTea (91)
31%
Creator and NesTea (70)
24%
NaNiwa and Creator (48)
17%
NaNiwa and TheStC (31)
11%
Creator and TheStC (26)
9%
TheStC and NesTea (24)
8%
290 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): NaNiwa and Creator (Vote): NaNiwa and TheStC (Vote): NaNiwa and NesTea (Vote): Creator and TheStC (Vote): Creator and NesTea (Vote): TheStC and NesTea
Poll: Who will advance?
Squirtle and Keen (62)
41%
Squirtle and ThorZaIN (38)
25%
Squirtle and GuMiho (34)
22%
ThorZaIN and Keen (7)
5%
ThorZaIN and GuMiho (6)
4%
Keen and GuMiho (5)
3%
152 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): Squirtle and ThorZaIN (Vote): Squirtle and Keen (Vote): Squirtle and GuMiho (Vote): ThorZaIN and Keen (Vote): ThorZaIN and GuMiho (Vote): Keen and GuMiho
Poll: Who will advance?
Mvp and Genius (73)
46%
Mvp and Happy (39)
24%
Mvp and Line (33)
21%
Line and Genius (10)
6%
Happy and Genius (3)
2%
Line and Happy (2)
1%
160 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): Mvp and Line (Vote): Mvp and Happy (Vote): Mvp and Genius (Vote): Line and Happy (Vote): Line and Genius (Vote): Happy and Genius
Poll: Who will advance?
SuperNoVa and MC (10)
59%
Sniper and MC (4)
24%
GanZi and MC (3)
18%
SuperNoVa and Sniper (0)
0%
SuperNoVa and GanZi (0)
0%
Sniper and GanZi (0)
0%
17 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): SuperNoVa and Sniper (Vote): SuperNoVa and GanZi (Vote): SuperNoVa and MC (Vote): Sniper and GanZi (Vote): Sniper and MC (Vote): GanZi and MC
Poll: Who will advance?
Symbol and MarineKing (9)
50%
PartinG and MarineKing (5)
28%
PartinG and Symbol (2)
11%
Symbol and YuGiOh (1)
6%
YuGiOh and MarineKing (1)
6%
PartinG and YuGiOh (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): PartinG and Symbol (Vote): PartinG and YuGiOh (Vote): PartinG and MarineKing (Vote): Symbol and YuGiOh (Vote): Symbol and MarineKing (Vote): YuGiOh and MarineKing
Poll: Who will advance?
Maru and DongRaeGu (5)
29%
Oz and DongRaeGu (4)
24%
viOLet and DongRaeGu (4)
24%
Oz and Maru (2)
12%
Oz and viOLet (1)
6%
viOLet and Maru (1)
6%
17 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): Oz and viOLet (Vote): Oz and Maru (Vote): Oz and DongRaeGu (Vote): viOLet and Maru (Vote): viOLet and DongRaeGu (Vote): Maru and DongRaeGu
Poll: Who will advance?
TaeJa and Leenock (13)
72%
Ryung and Leenock (2)
11%
TaeJa and AcE (1)
6%
TaeJa and Ryung (1)
6%
AcE and Leenock (1)
6%
AcE and Ryung (0)
0%
18 total votes
Your vote: Who will advance?
(Vote): TaeJa and AcE (Vote): TaeJa and Ryung (Vote): TaeJa and Leenock (Vote): AcE and Ryung (Vote): AcE and Leenock (Vote): Ryung and Leenock
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