How to adjust your Logitech Mini Optical to SC2?

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 26 2012 22:46 GMT

Hello,

You probably know the Logitech Mini Optical which nearly every SC:BW pro uses.

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Does anyone know how to adjust it to SC2? For SC:BW you just plug it in and play, for it jumps over pixels if you just do that for high resolution SC2.
What could I do to avoid that?

I've already tried using the official driver from the Logitech page. But changing my DPI or other important options is not available there.

Demicore

France503 Posts

May 26 2012 22:56 GMT

I'm afraid your mouse simply doesn't have the required DPI for SC2; you'll have to purchase a new one!

Thankfully there are plenty of amazing and affordable high DPI mice out there. I'd suggest you consult this amazing thread:

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=174311

Cheers.

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 26 2012 23:07 GMT

Korean SC:BW players (which are playing SC2 as well now) and also some Korean SC2 players use it I believe. This is why I'm sure there is a possibility to adjust it to SC2, I just don't know how.

Airestyx

United States44 Posts

May 26 2012 23:12 GMT

Work on adjusting the mouse settings in the game to see if you can smooth out the feel first before trying anything out and then work from that point.

United States6173 Posts

May 27 2012 00:18 GMT

Wow, it'll be a sad day when the mini optical is no longer good enough for gaming. It was literally THE Brood War mouse...

CGolden

40 Posts

May 27 2012 00:30 GMT

If i recall right Flash is using one in the FPVod that was released. He was playing a TvT i think so i guess Fash found a way to make it work well enough.

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 27 2012 00:55 GMT

On May 27 2012 09:30 CGolden wrote:
If i recall right Flash is using one in the FPVod that was released. He was playing a TvT i think so i guess Fash found a way to make it work well enough.

Yes that's what I'm talking about. I used it for some time but then started using my Razer Diamondback 3G instead, although the Logitech is perfect for my hand.

There must be some way do improve the DPI. Maybe Koreans got some software to do that, but the official Logitech driver isn't able to for sure.

Demicore

France503 Posts

May 27 2012 01:01 GMT

If you read the info in the thread I linked you to you will learn everything you need to know about DPI and resolution. Unfortunately there is no way to adjust the DPI of your mouse. The Mini Optical is great for SC:BW because it's a 640x480 game but for modern games you will either have to accept pixel skipping or play them at a very low resolution!

CGolden

40 Posts

May 27 2012 01:14 GMT

My best guess would be to just have to adjust it in the control menu of sc2. Because you cannot increase DPI on an optical past its max.

Beorning

United States243 Posts

May 27 2012 01:17 GMT

#10

This should be in tech support.

HolyExlxF

United States256 Posts

May 27 2012 01:23 GMT

#11

You shouldn't need to change anything. It has a low DPI, so if you turn up [software] sensitivity, it's going to skip pixels because that's what you are telling the software to do. You have to set the sensitivity SUUUUUUUUUPER low so it doesn't do that.

Keep in mind that you will have to drag the mouse about 3 inches to cover a standard 1920x1080 desktop res.

johnny123

521 Posts

May 27 2012 01:24 GMT

#12

they accept pixel skipping by raising up the sensitivity in-game. honestly it hardly makes a difference once you get used to it. Some pros even with good high dpi mouses such as nestea still set there mouse sensitivy to 70% in-game.

It makes no sense yes i agree, but it shows all you have do is become accustomed to it.

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 27 2012 01:27 GMT

#13

Hmm okay thanks guys. Seems like either I'd have to adjust to that myself or the time of those mouses has ended

Demicore

France503 Posts

May 27 2012 01:42 GMT

#14

No problem mate.

MagicalGirl

15 Posts

May 27 2012 02:18 GMT

#15

Couldn't you just play in a smaller resolution?

AlgeriaT

Sweden2197 Posts

May 27 2012 02:30 GMT

#16

On May 27 2012 09:30 CGolden wrote:
If i recall right Flash is using one in the FPVod that was released. He was playing a TvT i think so i guess Fash found a way to make it work well enough.

Oh my god, maybe it's just the mouse then. And when he realizes it...

:O

Lysergic

United States355 Posts

May 27 2012 03:11 GMT

#17

Get a g9x and use it without a shell like mvp, parting, and squirtle do. It's similar enough and you can customize dpi. Check newegg/amazon, I've found it for under $50 before.

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 27 2012 03:52 GMT

#18

MarineKing uses it as well.

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I can't believe all of them are playing with pixel skipping.
Gonna try it out at 1024x768, but I guess that resolution will be too high, too.

Azerbaijan

United States660 Posts

May 27 2012 03:56 GMT

#19

I've been using mine since I got a beta key way back then. I never had any problems with pixel skipping and I never felt like I had to adjust at all; just jumped right in out of BW and it all felt fine.

JerKy

Korea (South)3013 Posts

May 27 2012 04:18 GMT

#20

I recall when SC2 first came out, I experienced a lot of pixel skipping with this mouse
Fortunately (and unfortunately) for me, at around the same time, my brother started stealing my mouse to use with his desktop (since he didnt have another one), so I bought another mouse and didnt have to deal with this problem

DarKcS

Australia1237 Posts

May 27 2012 04:28 GMT

#21

We can't see the screens in GSL. Many $1000 monitors can do downscaling or upscaling well with specific chips. He could be on 800x600.

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 27 2012 04:40 GMT

#22

Isn't 1024x768 the lowest resolution at SC2?

Lysergic

United States355 Posts

May 27 2012 04:44 GMT

#23

On May 27 2012 12:52 imperator-xy wrote:
MarineKing uses it as well.

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I can't believe all of them are playing with pixel skipping.
Gonna try it out at 1024x768, but I guess that resolution will be too high, too.

That's a really old screenshot. MarineKing has been using a logitech g9x now. Same with mvp, parting, squirtle, and others.
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ROOTheognis

United States4482 Posts

May 27 2012 04:57 GMT

#24

yea MKP uses the g9x 100% right now. Higher DPI mouse and is better for SC2.

I had the optical mini but I had to scrap it for another mouse. It was a sad day to part with my long time friend

It's very hard to find a mouse that is similar. Is the g9x comparable in size?

Cyro

United Kingdom20323 Posts

May 27 2012 06:07 GMT

#25

"I'm afraid your mouse simply doesn't have the required DPI for SC2; you'll have to purchase a new one!"

400dpi is plenty for sc2, as long as you dont do chobo stuff like mousing to the edge of the screen to scroll. The middle mouse button can move the camera for a reason, and minimap tapping or camera hotkeys can do everything out of reach of scroll wheel dragging at far lower DPI's than 400.

johnny123

521 Posts

May 27 2012 06:15 GMT

#26

On May 27 2012 15:07 Cyro wrote:
"I'm afraid your mouse simply doesn't have the required DPI for SC2; you'll have to purchase a new one!"

400dpi is plenty for sc2, as long as you dont do chobo stuff like mousing to the edge of the screen to scroll. The middle mouse button can move the camera for a reason, and minimap tapping or camera hotkeys can do everything out of reach of scroll wheel dragging at far lower DPI's than 400.

you obviously dont play zerg, fast creep spread needs alot of scrolling. high dpi always good

Cyro

United Kingdom20323 Posts

May 27 2012 07:01 GMT

#27

On May 27 2012 15:15 johnny123 wrote:

Show nested quote +

you obviously dont play zerg, fast creep spread needs alot of scrolling. high dpi always good

When i play zerg i either use camera hotkeys 5, 6, 7, 8, re-assigning them every tumor path, or just hold down scroll wheel. Works fine.

oBlade

United States5886 Posts

May 27 2012 07:05 GMT

#28

Actually, from what I understand, different mini opticals will be 400 or 800dpi depending on where/when they were manufactured (but documented very poorly by Logitech themselves), is it possible the pros being referenced are just using 800dpi editions?

TwilightRain

Germany351 Posts

May 27 2012 07:47 GMT

#29

On May 27 2012 16:05 oBlade wrote:
Actually, from what I understand, different mini opticals will be 400 or 800dpi depending on where/when they were manufactured (but documented very poorly by Logitech themselves), is it possible the pros being referenced are just using 800dpi editions?

Played with that mouse in the old days of SC2. No, there is no 800 dpi edition unless you have some fake mini opt. The BW Pros(and Supernova) either just play with 400 dpi the way Sase does or set their sensitivity to 70-74%, which basically emulates 800 dpi by skipping 1 pixel for every dot moved.That said, the pixel skipping is not that much of a problem because it is constant with the LMO in cotrast to the randomness of it with a lot of other shitty mice.

Glockateer

United States254 Posts

May 27 2012 12:00 GMT

#30

400 dpi is enough, you just move your mouse further with the higher resolutions. I've often used 400 dpi (I use a microsoft wmo) at 1920x1080 and my accurate twitching is certainly enough for fast movements. This is with 1:1 movement since that is what you should aim for. It is more about what you're used to if you want to be fast rather than some bs marketing DPI. If it is too slow for you on high resolutions then use something like 1280x720 or 1024x768 resolution. 2-3 inches to get anywhere in the screen is certainly not a handicap in the right skill level. You may even play better and more accurately that way.

sluggaslamoo

Australia4494 Posts

May 27 2012 12:06 GMT

#31

Use a Zowie Mico. Or just max out the sensitivity settings, I haven't found DPI to be important at all in an RTS, accuracy (smoothness) is a much more important aspect, e.g lazer can jump all over the place even though it has high dpi, i find optical to be smoother.

Affluenza

United Kingdom214 Posts

May 27 2012 12:23 GMT

#32

BW players use the logitech G1 no?

sluggaslamoo

Australia4494 Posts

May 27 2012 12:24 GMT

#33

On May 27 2012 21:23 Affluenza wrote:
BW players use the logitech G1 no?

Some BW players do, I know Stork does. Most use the LMO though.

203 Posts

May 27 2012 12:33 GMT

#34

You could always play starcraft 2 at the same resolution you played BW, that way it would play exactly the same!

Strat4lyfe

Singapore133 Posts

May 27 2012 13:09 GMT

#35

man. cherish tht mouse, i would love to have one myself.

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

May 27 2012 13:30 GMT

#36

Most players who previously used MiniOpticals have either switched to G1 or G9x. The only person I can think of that hasn't is SuperNoVa. Other than that, Flash is still playing BW where its perfectly fine.

imperator-xy

Germany1377 Posts

May 27 2012 14:26 GMT

#37

Windows mouse sensitivity should always stay on 6/11, right?

If I do that I'd have to put my ingame sense on 100% to make my LMO fast enough (on 1024x768). I guess I'll just use my Razer Diamondback 3G ;;

Josh_rakoons

United Kingdom1158 Posts

May 27 2012 14:33 GMT

#38

anything above 6/11 on windows will decrease precision and accuracy.

HolyExlxF

United States256 Posts

May 28 2012 02:06 GMT

#39

On May 27 2012 23:26 imperator-xy wrote:
Windows mouse sensitivity should always stay on 6/11, right?

If I do that I'd have to put my ingame sense on 100% to make my LMO fast enough (on 1024x768). I guess I'll just use my Razer Diamondback 3G ;;

This really doesn't sound right. When you say "fast enough," what criteria are you using?

CPTBadAss

United States594 Posts

May 28 2012 05:54 GMT

#40

Wild, I thought that most players had switched since the Mini Optical had very low maximum DPI. Then again, I only know what I've read from the Ultimate Mouse Thread. Maybe somewhere in there you can find a way to fix this.

bokchoi

Korea (South)9498 Posts

May 28 2012 06:02 GMT

#41

changing your in-game sens changes your windows sens in game.. it doesn't make any sense, but thats how its currently programmed. instead of changing your in-game sens you need to use a different dpi

TwilightRain

Germany351 Posts

June 11 2012 16:08 GMT

#42

Seeing how much Flash moved his mouse during the MLG Kespa Invitational, seems like he, as an example, is just using the standard 400 dpi without changing the sensitivity from 1:1.

FlilFlam

Canada109 Posts

June 11 2012 16:36 GMT

#43

Here is what i know about mouse DPI as it relates to sc2 (and what not).

First i will say that i use a relatively high DPS mouse and what it has done for me is give me really really excellent micro control (I even beat GM's and pros in maps like morrows micro tournament).

The higher DPS means that your mouse can recognize more imaginary dots on your mousepad and thusly make your mouse movements on screen more accurate. what it can also do is increase the sensitivity of the mouse because it recognizes more dots of movement with a smaller sweep of the hand.

So to maximize precision with your mouse follow these steps:

0: maximize dps through mouse driver or mouse instructions

0.1: Remove windows accelleration (you may need to download a quick fix, just google "get rid of windows mouse accelleration"

1: Alter windows sensitivity to the lowest setting that doesn't annoy you. This makes your mouse slow but extremely accurate and precise.

2: load sc2 and put the sensitivity at around 15%... slowly creep the sensitivity up by increments of 1% until you find the most comfortable speed.

3: over time work on increasing your speed, as the faster your mouse moves in general the more you can physically get done in same/les amounts of time.

It makes a ridiculously large difference when you can quickly and comfortable select things like templars, or box the perfect portion of marines for splitting.

Speed and accuracy.... It literally lets you micro like pros do.

Your mouse will be a problem only if it is skipping pixels or has dumb accelleration. Some people need to play with low sensitivity, so it's really a comfort thing. Again the goal is to have the fastest mouse you are comfortable with whiule making it as accurate as possible through maximizing DPS before hand.

GLHF!

comabreaded

United States2166 Posts

June 11 2012 17:34 GMT

#44

I ended up switching to a Zowie Mico which is nearly identical in shape. The mouse clicks take a bit more pressure though. Before that I used to set sensitivity to 70 something.

ZenithM

France15952 Posts

June 11 2012 17:37 GMT

#45

On May 27 2012 12:52 imperator-xy wrote:
MarineKing uses it as well.

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I can't believe all of them are playing with pixel skipping.
Gonna try it out at 1024x768, but I guess that resolution will be too high, too.

It's been a long time since he used that (GSL Open).
MKP uses a G9x now, with still relatively low DPI settings.

Gosi

Sweden9072 Posts

June 11 2012 17:46 GMT

#46

I have played with both LMO and zowie mico. When I used the mico I had 800dpi 6/12 in windows and 51% in Sc2. That felt good and I think it's like the best sensitivty to not have pixel skipping or to high DPI and sens. With the LMO with 400dpi I have 7/12 in windows and 61% in SC2 and it feels almost like with the mico, just a tiny bit slower but I like it. Check it out!

I'm playing in 1080p btw.

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