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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img.gomtv.net/imgdata/53394.jpg) Map pool is announced! Dual sight removed! 2 new maps: Whirlwind by WinparkPrime (all spawns) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327014 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/MPf2l.jpg) Muspelheim by ESV's JackyPrime http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=332925 ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NGNMB.jpg) Returning maps: Ohana Cloud Kingdom Atlantis Spaceship Antiga Shipyard Daybreak Entombed Valley Metropolis 
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10342 Posts
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Plexa
Aotearoa39261 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Atoissen
Norway1737 Posts
Go go GSL & GSTL. PS: <3 ESV | ||
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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Ewic
Canada121 Posts
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Xxio
Canada5565 Posts
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United States17423 Posts
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Grampz
United States2147 Posts
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Tacosalad
United States73 Posts
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
gtfo Dual Site! :D | ||
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o)_Saurus
Germany260 Posts
Whirlwind looks amazing. Could be the best balanced-out 4player map in the mappool! | ||
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10342 Posts
(though that means less gorapadong build lol) whirlwind's layout looks interesting is it any spawn position is possible? Due to the nature of the expansions, the spawn positions doesn't seem to fuck anything up like antiga on Bnet does, so that leads me to thinking it wasn't designed to be cross only...? | ||
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Jtom
Ireland1044 Posts
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Laurens
Belgium4541 Posts
COME ON | ||
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Cokefreak
Finland8095 Posts
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Zaphid
Czech Republic1860 Posts
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HoriZoNXI
Australia310 Posts
Whirlwind is such a great map while Muspelheim is quite interesting. Just as long as dualsight is gone :D | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
 Atlantis needs to go, and I don't know why tournaments used Entombed in the first place. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
New maps look good, hoping for some asymmetrical maps some day though. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:12 Ruscour wrote: 9 maps? Atlantis needs to go, and I don't know why tournaments used Entombed in the first place.best of 9, although i agree atlantis needs out | ||
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bubl100500
Ukraine538 Posts
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DYEAlabaster
Canada1009 Posts
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
I'm still like 'wtf does Atlantis Spaceship look like'. | ||
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JustPassingBy
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:12 Ruscour wrote: 9 maps? Atlantis needs to go, and I don't know why tournaments used Entombed in the first place.It's team league, big map pools are fine. Jacky's just trolling casters by calling his new map Muspelheim right? =p Looks like we finally lose Bel'Shir and Dual Sight, farewell to both, you each gave us some great games but you'd run your course. | ||
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Divine-Sneaker
Denmark1225 Posts
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Laryleprakon
New Zealand9496 Posts
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
GSL_Cloud Kingdom Atlantis Spaceship GSL_Antiga Shipyard GSL_Daybreak GSL_Entombed Valley GSL_Metropolis ESV Muspelheim Crux Whirlwind I like it. Getting rid of the old maps is always good. It would be great if they could remove Entombed Valley and maybe add another ESV or TPW map. | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:17 The KY wrote: Does anyone ever feel like maps getting rotated TOO quickly? I'm still like 'wtf does Atlantis Spaceship look like'. GSTL has always been a map testing ground for GSL. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:16 bubl100500 wrote: What about GSL! I hope they'll remove dual sight, too. GSTL is usually the testing ground of new maps. GSL will probably not have Dual Sight anymore. | ||
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hangene92
Canada258 Posts
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:17 The KY wrote: Does anyone ever feel like maps getting rotated TOO quickly? I'm still like 'wtf does Atlantis Spaceship look like'. Like a bear. | ||
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LeLfe
France3160 Posts
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:25 JeffGoldblum wrote: 9 maps is waaaaay to many at least remove Entombed and Antiga. GSTL is bo9, so it needs 9 maps lol | ||
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jaminski
England84 Posts
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
whirlwind looks very pretty and fun to play on. | ||
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TheSwamp
United States1497 Posts
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Tommylew
Wales2717 Posts
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mastergriggy
United States1312 Posts
Edit: Is Whirlwind a spiritual remake of a Brood War map? | ||
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:17 Asha` wrote: It's team league, big map pools are fine. Jacky's just trolling casters by calling his new map Muspelheim right? =p Looks like we finally lose Bel'Shir and Dual Sight, farewell to both, you each gave us some great games but you'd run your course. *COUGH*4 gate*COUGH* *COUGH*1/1/1*COUGH* | ||
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Aximil
Norway5 Posts
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thezanursic
5479 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:25 opterown wrote: GSL starts two weeks after GSTL, so if reception is good, I could see some of the new maps next season maybe. GSTL is bo9, so it needs 9 maps lol 9 maps to practice... Thats a lot for a pro. If we want intelligent strategies that revolve around the map pool we need to reduce our map pools to at least 5 or 6 | ||
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KoBlades
Austria248 Posts
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dronefarm
United States260 Posts
Whirlwind looks cool. The thirds are reasonable, not to hard to take and not to easy. IT seems like its going to be super easy to get a 4th gas though, so this map may be pretty protoss favored. I would like to see some maps taken out of the pool Entombed is a bad map and pretty imbalanced and way too good for protoss Cloud kingdom is a cool map, but PvT balance is really bad there. Atlantis is zerg favored, so might be a good candidate to go. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:20 thezanursic wrote: GSL_Ohana GSL_Cloud Kingdom Atlantis Spaceship GSL_Antiga Shipyard GSL_Daybreak GSL_Entombed Valley GSL_Metropolis ESV Muspelheim Crux Whirlwind I like it. Getting rid of the old maps is always good. It would be great if they could remove Entombed Valley and maybe add another ESV or TPW map. ESV Ohana ESV Cloud Kingdom Crux Atlantis Spaceship GSL Antiga Shipyard Crux Daybreak GSL Entombed Valley Crux Metropolis ESV Muspelheim Crux Whirlwind Fixed that for ya  ! | ||
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SoLuTioN.
Sweden21 Posts
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ManicMarine
Australia409 Posts
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Yoshi Kirishima
United States10342 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:39 SoLuTioN. wrote: Looks like 2 good mech maps, me like! i haven't looked into it too deeply but i'll take your word for it! yay :D | ||
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: why don't people like atlantis spaceship? i thought it was a pretty epic map Cause one player always decides to cheese on it. | ||
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
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Jinsho
United Kingdom3101 Posts
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cablesc
United States1540 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:35 thezanursic wrote: 9 maps to practice... Thats a lot for a pro. If we want intelligent strategies that revolve around the map pool we need to reduce our map pools to at least 5 or 6 This is a team league. This is why you have snipers practice certain maps/matchups. | ||
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Sorathez
Australia209 Posts
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:52 Jinsho wrote: Both new maps look a bit ridiculous. What happened to open maps? Whirlwind close spawns favour strong 2 base pushes excessively on a map full of choke points, and the second map has ramps fucking everywhere. stop trolling, whirlwing is one of the most open maps ever and muspelheim has only few chokes | ||
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Jenia6109
Russian Federation1612 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: why don't people like atlantis spaceship? i thought it was a pretty epic map Agree, Atlantis is awesome and so young map. I'd rather wanted to see Antiga and Entombed go, they are so straight and simple. Other maps are so good! | ||
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
*COUGH*All the good games we got on both over the course of their existences*COUGH* They had flaws, no one disagrees, but they gave us a lot of very good games too ^^ On May 24 2012 18:35 thezanursic wrote: 9 maps to practice... Thats a lot for a pro. If we want intelligent strategies that revolve around the map pool we need to reduce our map pools to at least 5 or 6 Please don't treat team leagues like individual ones. Players train and practice to be sent out on certain maps or against certain opponents. You aren't practicing for every single possible scenario, you approach it as a team. On May 24 2012 18:47 Yoshi Kirishima wrote: why don't people like atlantis spaceship? i thought it was a pretty epic map Too big and open mostly, certainly Terrans just toss the coin and proxy a lot on it so far | ||
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
Seems like Mech will be good on the maps! :D | ||
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FlukyS
Ireland485 Posts
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NHY
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:25 opterown wrote: GSL starts two weeks after GSTL, so if reception is good, I could see some of the new maps next season maybe. GSTL is bo9, so it needs 9 maps lol Sound logic. | ||
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Lyter
United Kingdom2145 Posts
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BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:17 Asha` wrote: It's team league, big map pools are fine. Jacky's just trolling casters by calling his new map Muspelheim right? =p Looks like we finally lose Bel'Shir and Dual Sight, farewell to both, you each gave us some great games but you'd run your course. big maps pools are fine when there is no loser's pick in GSTL. mus-pel-heim. then again they are Bo9s so its not bad. | ||
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Miserie
Belgium92 Posts
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Nisyax
Netherlands756 Posts
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Markam
Poland71 Posts
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Veloce
Australia2 Posts
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BathTubNZ
New Zealand2556 Posts
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MorroW
Sweden3522 Posts
whirlwind looks like a bitch in zvp tho, i hope im wrong | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
Whirlwind looks so sick yet I get this...itch of that it will be frustrating to play on as Zerg. Could just be me blindly bitching though~ | ||
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Shadow_Dog
Canada427 Posts
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Talanthalos
Germany153 Posts
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L3g3nd_
New Zealand10461 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
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Fyodor
Canada971 Posts
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Mawi
Sweden4365 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
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Treadmill
Canada2833 Posts
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dabom88
United States3483 Posts
Edit: found it: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14245094 | ||
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Jumbled
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Universum
Canada192 Posts
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bokchoi
Korea (South)9498 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/egbG3.png) what do you guys think of this as the default banner for GSTL LR? | ||
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Mamoru
Spain24 Posts
That would be more interseting for gsl. | ||
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Warpish
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Kompicek
Czech Republic245 Posts
I know its because of balance issues, but i think that the mapmakers job is really way too restricted by the players | ||
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pAnJayK
Switzerland56 Posts
whirlwind looks interesting. | ||
Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
That said, Atlantis Spaceship needs to go. | ||
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Spackofant
Germany28 Posts
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
Muspelheim is pretty good and the coloring is sth we haven't seen yet in comp maps I think. One thing I dislike tho is that the main hugging base is utterly useless to both players imo. On May 24 2012 18:12 Ruscour wrote: 9 maps? Atlantis needs to go, and I don't know why tournaments used Entombed in the first place.Same reason they use Antiga Shipyard or Metalopolis for so long etc, least shitty ladder maps but not actually good maps when you compare them to all the maps that are out there. On May 24 2012 18:25 opterown wrote: GSTL is bo9, so it needs 9 maps lol Altho I don't disagree with a team league having so many maps in the map pool, this logic is just flawed. Why do you need 9 maps for a bo9, can't you stand seeing a map twice during a clanwar or what... | ||
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Hulavuta
United States1252 Posts
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Qntc.YuMe
United States792 Posts
cant wait to see this | ||
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StateAlchemist
France1946 Posts
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LimitSEA
Australia9580 Posts
God I'm so fucking hyped for GSTL this season. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
muspel isnt that good, because you can siege up the main from low ground quite easily | ||
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On May 24 2012 20:43 opterown wrote: what do you guys think of this as the default banner for GSTL LR? keep all the teams at the top, the four ones at bottom right feel awkward | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 24 2012 21:39 Superouman wrote: keep all the teams at the top, the four ones at bottom right feel awkward mm i would, but any smaller and the icons are a bit ehh. i'll see what i can do :D | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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Stallion
New Zealand67 Posts
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Biane
Australia645 Posts
On May 24 2012 21:40 opterown wrote: mm i would, but any smaller and the icons are a bit ehh. i'll see what i can do :D i believe hot6ix is sponsoring GSTL season 2 too? you could add their logo in or something, show our support/gratitude for their continuous support. | ||
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TAMinator
Australia2706 Posts
On May 24 2012 21:40 opterown wrote: mm i would, but any smaller and the icons are a bit ehh. i'll see what i can do :D you could just put the bottom ones on the top right theres no need to make the team logos smaller | ||
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Cuce
Turkey1127 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 24 2012 20:43 opterown wrote: + Show Spoiler + what do you guys think of this as the default banner for GSTL LR? I dont like EG slayers logo.... It puts too much emphasise on EG and less on Slayers. Keeping in mind that EG will have like 3 players max in korea this is rather ridiculous. | ||
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ajhkU.png) how's this? re: hot6 logo - it's really hard to find a good clean logo, i've tried | ||
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Gosi
Sweden9072 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:02 Gosi wrote: Wow, 5 teams in the GSTL are "partnership" teams between two teams... lame. Notice that those are mostly partnerships with western teams. They will have like westerner sitting on the bench for the western audience to cheer for them. Also. Any one thinks after GSTL we will have either SK.Mvp or SK.Nestee? | ||
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milesfacade
United Kingdom799 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:08 Frankon wrote: Notice that those are mostly partnerships with western teams. They will have like westerner sitting on the bench for the western audience to cheer for them. Also. Any one thinks after GSTL we will have either SK.Mvp or SK.Nestee? After the recent LG sponsor? No chance. | ||
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Korinai
Canada413 Posts
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DrPandaPhD
5188 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:12 Korinai wrote: Why is Entombed still in every friggin' map pool under the sun? Seriously guys, get rid of it. It's terrible. Agree. If a map is imbalanced in all matchups then it's quite a bad map >_> | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
There's a reason MVP went 11/11. | ||
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On May 24 2012 21:59 opterown wrote: + Show Spoiler + how's this? re: hot6 logo - it's really hard to find a good clean logo, i've tried Looks really nice, much better than the other banner. But you don't get the hidden meaning under the other banner, it is all part of the bigger fight for the mothership! | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
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ELA
Denmark4608 Posts
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Sanguinarius
United States3427 Posts
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
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opterown
Australia54784 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:34 KvltMan wrote: Isn't all spawns "Whirlwind" pretty horrible? Looks like awfully close spawning positions vertically/horizontally. The map is pretty damn big lol | ||
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Cenja
Sweden498 Posts
However I think 9 maps is too much, cut Atlantis atleast. | ||
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Holytornados
United States1022 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:41 Cenja wrote: The new maps look interesting, won't judge them until we see them in play. However I think 9 maps is too much, cut Atlantis atleast. You need a minimum of 9 maps or one map will wind up being a repeat. | ||
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:42 Adreme wrote: You need a minimum of 9 maps or one map will wind up being a repeat. What's so bad about that? Play a great map 2 times or have a mediocre map just because. | ||
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JOJOsc2news
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:44 JeffGoldblum wrote: What's so bad about that? Play a great map 2 times or have a mediocre map just because. Well since its loser picks it will mean the Ace match is on the most advantageous map for one race like either Atlantis Spaceship or Daybreak if its against terran or Antiga in a TvZ/P. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:44 JOJOsc2news wrote: I'm a huge fan of 4 player maps with all 4 spawns enabled so I am really happy to see Whirlwind was picked up into the map pool of GSTL. I hope this can set a bit of a trend towards maps with all spawns enabled again. Wait whirlwind has all 4 spawns enabled? That is going create some strong drop play if you get bad spawns on a map that I already figured you could really easily get 4 bases if you spawn right. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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MicroTastiC
375 Posts
edit: oh woops; misread! | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:56 MicroTastiC wrote: wow, metapolis is back! and it would be quite small when compared to other huge maps! That says Metropolis ;o | ||
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Sphen5117
United States413 Posts
REALLLLLLY excited for Whirlwind. It seems in non-cross spawn situations, if your opponent is to your right, you take the third to your left, and vice versa. For cross, it seems like either is viable. | ||
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Roxor9999
Netherlands771 Posts
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aristarchus
United States652 Posts
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TheRealNanMan
United States1471 Posts
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dextrin303
Sweden320 Posts
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On May 24 2012 23:05 Roxor9999 wrote: Whirlwind looks like shit! A rotational symmetrical map without cross spawns? On May 24 2012 23:12 aristarchus wrote: I wish we could stop using rotational symmetry for 4-player maps. I know it's tricky to design them, but when it's a 2-player game, they just aren't symmetric at all most of the time. It's really sad every time the caster starts a Tal'Darim TvT with "Well, A is going to really like these spawn positions...". Is THAT why Fighting Spirit is so bad? O_O | ||
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DeltruS
Canada2214 Posts
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RoninShogun
United States315 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
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althaz
Australia1001 Posts
I think there are still too many maps though, am I alone in thinking 5 maps is plenty and we can just repeat them (as long as they are good)? I guess in a team league extra maps is ok, but I'd still prefer less. | ||
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Nuclease
United States1049 Posts
It seems very BW-esque, which isn't a bad thing it itself, but I feel as if it could REALLY favor Zerg. Line of sight blockers, hard expansions to defend against Zergling run-by's, and what seems to me a serious lack of options for certain play styles. EDIT: Kind of reminds me of Fighting Spirit or Sniper Ridge.....I think......don't know my BW maps as well as I used to. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
Bel'Shir Beach and Ohana are examples. And if allowed to go to a macro game, Dual Sight has shown it's actually pretty fun to watch as well. I really hope to see some 3-player map designs come back though. The 3 player map in the TLMC (Sanctuary?) seemed quite balanced. | ||
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Jedclark
United Kingdom903 Posts
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Superouman
France2195 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:19 pdd wrote: Hmm... while I do like both maps, I feel that there needs to be more smaller maps in the pool. With Dual Sight gone, the only "small" map in the pool left is Ohana. I mean you can design maps which are small and won't result in every game ending off 2 bases. Bel'Shir Beach and Ohana are examples. And if allowed to go to a macro game, Dual Sight has shown it's actually pretty fun to watch as well. I really hope to see some 3-player map designs come back though. The 3 player map in the TLMC (Sanctuary?) seemed quite balanced. Cloud kingdom is small, it's slightly a bit bigger than xelnaga caverns | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:20 Superouman wrote: Cloud kingdom is small, it's slightly a bit bigger than xelnaga caverns I wouldn't want to argue with the mapmaker's opinion himself, but it really is a huge map IMO. It's very hard to rush and when it gets to the midgame onwards, moving up and down the map feels like a chore. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:31 pdd wrote: I wouldn't want to argue with the mapmaker's opinion himself, but it really is a huge map IMO. It's very hard to rush and when it gets to the midgame onwards, moving up and down the map feels like a chore. Indeed, it works out as pretty large since you need to zig zag through the middle due to the rocks. | ||
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Gladiator6
Sweden7024 Posts
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MrJoKer
France232 Posts
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Sankanyo
United States140 Posts
I hope Whirlwind is too-too big like Calm Before the Storm. Aside from that I like the new additions! Seems like PrimeClan are pretty good at making maps as well kekeke. PRIME FIGHTING!! | ||
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tuho12345
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0neder
United States3733 Posts
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Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:20 Jedclark wrote: These look awesome. Whirlwind especially. The naming of Muspelheim, I find a bit strange. It's not "catchy". Muspelheim is the realm of fire in Norse Mythology from which the giant Surtur whom destroys the Earth during ragnarok. It's actually a ridiculously awesome name for the map for those who know about Norse Mythology. | ||
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IHaveArms
United Kingdom42 Posts
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
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LongBow
United States265 Posts
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fabiano
Brazil4644 Posts
WHY? | ||
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Mikelius
Germany517 Posts
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
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Ollie
United States144 Posts
Wish they would have removed Atlantis Spaceship and Entombed Valley, though. | ||
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Cyanocyst
2222 Posts
Its not imba or anything, just the most boring design. I mean all they did was arrange expansions in a square boarder around the outside. Then they thought there weren't enough expansions so they added two more in the middle. Seriously if someone had asked me to draw, a bland map in the beta, and told me not to worry about balance, just draw the first simple thing that comes to mind, I would have drawn Antiga. Edit: The new maps look good btw. and besides for antiga very happy with the map pool. Btw also glad that dual site is out. Not imba, just relatively boring, it lasted far to long. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:20 Jedclark wrote:The naming of Muspelheim, I find a bit strange. It's not "catchy". Renaming it to Misspellheim will help. | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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Rube_Juice
Canada348 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
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Surili
United Kingdom1141 Posts
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Balgrog
United States1221 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Mus-pel-heim. Anyways, great maps. I'm excited to see how both maps play out. Muspelheim seems to have a lot of LOS blockers, which should be interesting to see. | ||
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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Darksoldierr
Hungary2012 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:02 Plexa wrote: Whirlwind is a pleasant surprise! Look like Azalea with more bases, loving it | ||
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Rapture_FBGM
United States36 Posts
Though I think they should have replaced Entombed and Atlantis with these two maps instead of just adding them. But awesome news nonetheless. | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
One request: someone from ESV make a damned beach tileset map! I miss the beauty of Bel`shir. | ||
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PandaTank
South Africa255 Posts
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Rapture_FBGM
United States36 Posts
And the flying shark better return on one of these maps. Seems like it'd be a good fit on Whirlwind. | ||
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fenrysk
United States364 Posts
One request: someone from ESV make a damned beach tileset map! I miss the beauty of Bel`shir. pretty sure Ohana uses the beach tile set. i'm pretty happy with these new maps. but isn't the map pool still kinda huge? | ||
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Aterons_toss
Romania1275 Posts
Honestly, i would really like to see some new map designs, doesn't have to be steps of war-ish nor Calm before the storm-esc but something new... if not, than why not keep the old ones so at least the meta game can evolve faster due to the older maps. At least the art design is nice... finally there is a "volcano" map that i might like environment wise | ||
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GhettoSheep
United States150 Posts
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FeyFey
Germany10114 Posts
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elwoodng
Singapore438 Posts
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
The new maps look cool though. | ||
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
Muspelheim is awesome. Huge focus on high ground control. | ||
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CeriseCherries
6170 Posts
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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Aunvilgod
2653 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:27 Tommylew wrote: how come i look at these new maps and striaght away think I wouldnt like to play zergs as protoss on these map lol real openn third bases Not really. They are completely standard. Both are pretty much as open as Daybreak. | ||
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria923 Posts
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ssg
United States1773 Posts
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Tennet
United States1458 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:39 ssg wrote: The map pool is too big? What? It's 9 maps, the minimum needed for a 9 game series... Yeah, for GSTL where they do bo9s with a loser picks format, you really need 9 maps. For an individual league I think 7 is better. | ||
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Fragile51
Netherlands15767 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:36 CruelZeratul wrote: The map pool is way to large imo. I'm on Tyler's side with that thinking that a smaller map pool would benefit the tournament. The new maps look cool though. How do you propose they play a bo9 series with less then 9 maps? | ||
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CruelZeratul
Germany4588 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:55 CruelZeratul wrote: You could just play a few maps more than once, I don't get the point. That sort of ruins the format though. It's loser picks, and you can only use each map once. That's a very key aspect of the format, because you can pick a map you don't want them to bring out later, and there's a lot more strategy. | ||
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INTOtheVOID
United States225 Posts
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On May 25 2012 03:48 Fragile51 wrote: How do you propose they play a bo9 series with less then 9 maps? YOU CAN PLAY MAPS MORE THAN ONCE I KNOW IT CRAZY HUH On May 25 2012 03:58 Gfire wrote: That sort of ruins the format though. It's loser picks, and you can only use each map once. That's a very key aspect of the format, because you can pick a map you don't want them to bring out later, and there's a lot more strategy. Or just have predetermined maps like Proleague and coaches have to decide which players play which maps beforehand. That requires even more strategy! D: | ||
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:07 JeffGoldblum wrote: YOU CAN PLAY MAPS MORE THAN ONCE I KNOW IT CRAZY HUH Or just have predetermined maps like Proleague and coaches have to decide which players play which maps beforehand. That requires even more strategy! D: And that's a completely different format, GOM wants to use "winner's league" or all-kill format | ||
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carloselcoco
United States2302 Posts
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JeffGoldblum
Cook Islands191 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:25 Zeroxk wrote: And that's a completely different format, GOM wants to use "winner's league" or all-kill format i.e. "The only reason we win is because of we have one guy who carries us-format" *cough*Prime*cough* | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:34 JeffGoldblum wrote: i.e. "The only reason we win is because of we have one guy who carries us-format" *cough*Prime*cough* Then how did Startale get to the finals? | ||
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vult
United States9400 Posts
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Lovely_US
United States94 Posts
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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Nyctophobia
Canada99 Posts
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GenesisX
Canada4267 Posts
but entombed | ||
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Iplaythings
Denmark9110 Posts
New maps allways good | ||
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j1nzo
Germany367 Posts
on whirlwind the fourth should also be reasonably easy to take... and bye bye dualsight! hope we never meet again. | ||
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pallad
Poland1958 Posts
But anyway good maps | ||
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Damrak
Netherlands124 Posts
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
1. Map size is 160x160, making it just as big as Calm before the Storm, a map that was notorious for simply being too large. 2. While I like how the first 3 bases pan out, the 4th feels far too easy to take; there is little to no additional effort if you've already managed to secure 3 bases, so long as you can keep control of that middle area between the 3rd and 4th. All in all, I expect this map to pan out similarly to how Calm Before the Storm did. Very economically greedy, death ball-oriented, unless someone tries to do some sort of proxy cheese to avoid the inevitability. Muspelheim seems quite decent, though; I don't have any immediate concerns about the map. Map size is reasonable for a 2-player map, plenty of both chokes and more open areas to allow for different engagement positions depending on the matchup, and while the overview image doesn't do it justice, some of the aesthetics on the map are really cool. | ||
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Tonttu
Finland606 Posts
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bubl100500
Ukraine538 Posts
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corpsepose
1678 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38255 Posts
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Mohdoo
United States15689 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:40 vultdylan wrote: Whirlwind looks extremely Terran favored with a close proximity for 4 bases and them all being on high ground. Its gonna make mech a lot more appetizing, which I do not mind, even as a Protoss player. These maps are also gonna be great at deflecting drops and muta play, which are also quite nice. I think its a good map. Discourages bio and encourages mech. A+! | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
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vorxaw
Canada245 Posts
Are those to prevent situating drops behind minerals? | ||
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IPA
United States3206 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:07 JeffGoldblum wrote: YOU CAN PLAY MAPS MORE THAN ONCE I KNOW IT CRAZY HUH Or just have predetermined maps like Proleague and coaches have to decide which players play which maps beforehand. That requires even more strategy! D: Why make yourself look like a dbag and type in all caps in an effort to belittle someone else? His point stands. Replaying maps is a poor format for team leagues. Playing each map once and allowing the loser to pick creates an additional layer of strategy in terms of picking, lineup order, etc. | ||
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IronManSC
United States2119 Posts
On May 25 2012 02:48 IPA wrote: One request: someone from ESV make a damned beach tileset map! I miss the beauty of Bel`shir. Answer: Ohana | ||
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CrtBalorda
Slovenia704 Posts
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Ragoo
Germany2773 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:40 vultdylan wrote: Whirlwind looks extremely Terran favored with a close proximity for 4 bases and them all being on high ground. Highground doesn't mean much fo anything past early game (except maybe TvT a little bit more). You can say "behind a choke" tho. | ||
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Felvo
United States124 Posts
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Klyberess
Sweden345 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:40 vultdylan wrote: Whirlwind looks extremely Terran favored with a close proximity for 4 bases and them all being on high ground. Clearly the fact that the bases are on high ground is enough to conclude that the map will be extremely Terran favored. Whirlwind is huge AND open, if anything it will be zerg favored. | ||
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Nazeron
Canada1046 Posts
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BreakfastBurrito
United States893 Posts
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kyllinghest
Norway1607 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:40 vultdylan wrote: Whirlwind looks extremely Terran favored with a close proximity for 4 bases and them all being on high ground. [/QUOTE] I don't agree, denying bases will be hard for terrans aswell, and they are the ones suffering most when both players get to four or more bases, as they can't reproduce fast or build a good deathball. But hey, we wont know before we see the maps in action. Always exciting with new maps! | ||
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
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soon.Cloak
United States983 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:11 Cokefreak wrote: Whirlwind should be interesting as you can choose which 3rd to take based on opponents spawning location. Ya, agree completely. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:34 JeffGoldblum wrote: i.e. "The only reason we win is because of we have one guy who carries us-format" *cough*Prime*cough* Prime has the 3 headed monster of Ghostking Marineking and Maru to defeat to beat them and thats why they win. I think if you could pick one team that was carried hard by 1 player it would have been MVP the season they won it because it felt like everytime they were always down 3-0 or 3-1 and DRG would have to come in and win and then he did that. | ||
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Adreme
United States5574 Posts
On May 25 2012 07:06 Klyberess wrote: Clearly the fact that the bases are on high ground is enough to conclude that the map will be extremely Terran favored. Whirlwind is huge AND open, if anything it will be zerg favored. I dont see a huge open map. It seems like a huge chokey map which would intheory be terrible for zerg but with a lot of flanking opportunities which is good for zerg. I see some good TvZ games coming out of it though with some good 2 base pushes for terran seiging tanks at that forth and elevatoring the main/natural and also possibly taking a super fast 4th on top there 3rd and doing a lot of drops which will be fun to see. | ||
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Whatson
United States5356 Posts
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eXigent.
Canada2419 Posts
On May 25 2012 04:07 JeffGoldblum wrote: YOU CAN PLAY MAPS MORE THAN ONCE I KNOW IT CRAZY HUH Or just have predetermined maps like Proleague and coaches have to decide which players play which maps beforehand. That requires even more strategy! D: You're basically demanding they change their entire team league system, and remove all of the strategy involved in picking maps etc. just so they can drop a few? On top of that you act like a complete douche bag when doing it. Definitely one of the dumber posts I've come across =\ | ||
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WackaAlpaca
Canada208 Posts
i always chose it at tournaments and won cuz i was the only person who ever practiced at all on it :D | ||
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quest_5692
Malaysia57 Posts
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:16 DYEAlabaster wrote: Super confused why Muspelheim is in, and why Atlantis is still in.... Agreed. I would give Antiga and Entombed the axe as well. very excited to see whirlwind tho! | ||
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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marcelluspye
United States155 Posts
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Gfire
United States1699 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:36 TheFish7 wrote: Agreed. I would give Antiga and Entombed the axe as well. very excited to see whirlwind tho! Why is there always so much hate for Entombed? It's statistically quite balanced and has made for imo many of the best games in GSL. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:45 Gfire wrote: Why is there always so much hate for Entombed? It's statistically quite balanced and has made for imo many of the best games in GSL. A lot of people don't like it because It's rather Protoss favored, but I agree that it's a good map and should stay. Lots of great games have been played on it. | ||
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Fencar
United States2694 Posts
EDIT: Did anyone notice the Mothership in the top picture is using it's purifier beam? :O Possible new ability in LotV or HotS incoming..... | ||
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Chriscras
Korea (South)2812 Posts
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covote
United States86 Posts
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On May 25 2012 11:08 Fencer710 wrote: EDIT: Did anyone notice the Mothership in the top picture is using it's purifier beam? :O Possible new ability in LotV or HotS incoming..... .... I have nothing more to say. | ||
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takingbackoj
United States684 Posts
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Severus_
759 Posts
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Tendoi
Romania62 Posts
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UndoneJin
United States438 Posts
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reikai
United States359 Posts
(ref: http://www.google.com/imgres?um=1&hl=en&sa=N&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS479US479&biw=1280&bih=590&tbm=isch&tbnid=wyzQSMWdecquMM:&imgrefurl=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Abyss&docid=vI7m95bEAFzN4M&imgurl=http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/images2/thumb/c/c0/Abyss.jpg/400px-Abyss.jpg&w=400&h=400&ei=lxS_T5KxF-KzsgLVt83kCQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=230&sig=114322400024677051648&page=1&tbnh=131&tbnw=131&start=0&ndsp=19&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0,i:74&tx=98&ty=46) in a chokey sense, but since you can run through the unused expos, looks nice :D | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
I like the first one more though we definitely need more big maps, with big open center nice ! | ||
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Peqqz
Germany201 Posts
Litte chockes and easy to defend 3th bases. Seems a bit strong for Toss. | ||
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Sinedd
Poland7052 Posts
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MrSusan
United Kingdom20 Posts
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itkovian
United States1763 Posts
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On May 25 2012 20:42 Sinedd wrote: btw.. thats alot of maps... ;p GSTL is best of 9 so anything less than 9 maps would be strange. | ||
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Ribbon
United States5278 Posts
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Qwizzyx
Sweden44 Posts
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acrimoneyius
United States983 Posts
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Janders
Mexico222 Posts
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blacksheepwall
China1530 Posts
On May 24 2012 22:08 Frankon wrote: Notice that those are mostly partnerships with western teams. They will have like westerner sitting on the bench for the western audience to cheer for them. Also. Any one thinks after GSTL we will have either SK.Mvp or SK.Nestee? Doubt it. They just landed that huge sponsorship deal with LG for those two players specifically, I believe. That's why they're LG-IM now. | ||
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Fishriot
United States621 Posts
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Reval
United States297 Posts
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zyce
United States649 Posts
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jsemmens
United States439 Posts
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SEA KarMa
Australia452 Posts
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snively
United States1159 Posts
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wireke
Belgium122 Posts
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Bails
United States317 Posts
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Zerg.Zilla
Hungary5029 Posts
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Champi
1422 Posts
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-Kira
352 Posts
makes up for the imbalance ;P | ||
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besez
Sweden54 Posts
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Amlitzer
United States471 Posts
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Vicarios
56 Posts
at least atlantis is back <3 | ||
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TriZen
England219 Posts
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Random_Guy09
Canada1010 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:50 Frankon wrote: Cause one player always decides to cheese on it. *cough* MVP game 7 GSL Finals *cough* | ||
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TheFish7
United States2824 Posts
On May 25 2012 10:45 Gfire wrote: Why is there always so much hate for Entombed? It's statistically quite balanced and has made for imo many of the best games in GSL. It's kind of a Zerg's nightmare, especially in ZvP, but also in ZvT, the base setup makes mutalisk play next to impossible, makes it extremely easy for both T and P to grab a quick 3rd. Then, if the zerg wants to take a 4th, they have to somehow hold a wide open base against a very scary 3 base push from the terran or toss. The choke to the 3rd is also tank and forcefield HEAVEN, there are so many places to stick tanks and forcefields that just murder melee units. This is coming from someone who played zerg, then switched to protoss. The map is stupidly in favor of toss in PvZ. The aesthetics are also completely half-assed, someone at blizzard probably made that map during their lunch break. On the other hand, its a great map for PvT, mirror matches are more interesting because there are 4 spawns, and brood lords are quite good on it. I just feel that the style of map could be a lot better than the way its done on entombed. | ||
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