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S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 17 2012 08:49 GMT
#101
On May 17 2012 17:28 phodacbiet wrote:
This must be dustin browder and david kim's doing... there is no way something this imba is going to be allowed. I think destructable debris infront of IM-SK booth and give the other team a head start while whoever is on IM-SK breaks down the rock to get to his computer.. yes that would make it fair

IM coach will throw the 1st 2 games so their late game imbaness is justified.

Assymetric balance.
hatespam
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Romania161 Posts
May 17 2012 08:50 GMT
#102
this reminds me of a storry called 'The boy who cried IMBALANCE'
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Stormiii
Profile Joined May 2012
Finland239 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 08:58:15
May 17 2012 08:53 GMT
#103
On May 17 2012 15:51 S_SienZ wrote:
What's amazing about this is how the IM coach will still manage to throw the match with his picks.

Well obviusly hes bad coach. Only coached to one GSTL championship and six GSL championships. Probably best coach in sc2.
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
May 17 2012 09:00 GMT
#104
On May 17 2012 17:53 Stormiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 15:51 S_SienZ wrote:
What's amazing about this is how the IM coach will still manage to throw the match with his picks.

Well obviusly hes bad coach. Only coached to one GSTL championship and six GSL championships. Probably the best coach in sc2.


He's also the manager for the team.

Best Coach/Manager in Sc2.

BTW, to those crying about partnerships and whatnot, do you know how expensive it is to get a foreign team in Korea just to practice for the GSTL? Partnerships are a cheap and easy way to get foreign teams some representation in Korean team events, and the same for Koreans playing in other countries.
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W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
May 17 2012 09:01 GMT
#105
On May 17 2012 17:22 Gosi wrote:
I don't know how anyone can enjoy GSTL with things like this. Winners league and teams partner up with each other left and right just kills what team leagues is all about. Gratz to SK for being able to ride on the success of IM in GSTL by having one player on the bench because of this "partnership", if they now win the thing. Instead of you know... like getting your own team and all.

Thankfully Proleague starts soon.



You're absolutely right. SK seem like cheapskates, simply buying out a champion, and skimping on an actual 'team'. This way they don't need a teamhouse, don't need to grow players, and only pay 1 ticket. This time they even manage to attach their name alongside IM by loaning 1 player. Come on now...

It was even worse before, when they were simply "partnering" with oGs, honestly just invest in a team already.
Hi
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
May 17 2012 09:06 GMT
#106


It's just a true shame to see a team that used to be one of the best in Korea (and consequently one of the best in the world) gone.

And yeah, MC/Nestea/MVP is clearly imbalanced, and blizzard needs to nerf all of the races.
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GeNeSiDe
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom354 Posts
May 17 2012 09:08 GMT
#107
Before you get excited but check out MC's w/l as oGs closer.
I think he will be first pick to try to get an early kill but leave the hard stuff to MVP.

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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
May 17 2012 09:09 GMT
#108
On May 17 2012 17:49 S_SienZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 17:28 phodacbiet wrote:
This must be dustin browder and david kim's doing... there is no way something this imba is going to be allowed. I think destructable debris infront of IM-SK booth and give the other team a head start while whoever is on IM-SK breaks down the rock to get to his computer.. yes that would make it fair

IM coach will throw the 1st 2 games so their late game imbaness is justified.

Assymetric balance.


And yet this is the team with Googims Coca cola and LG as sponsor and now is teamed up with SK I am prity sure he did something right aswell, to bad we don't hear that but people keep hammering on old team matches.
Jeenyus
Profile Joined July 2011
United States109 Posts
May 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#109
This is so unfair ahahahah
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v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 09:11:07
May 17 2012 09:10 GMT
#110
On May 17 2012 18:01 W2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 17:22 Gosi wrote:
I don't know how anyone can enjoy GSTL with things like this. Winners league and teams partner up with each other left and right just kills what team leagues is all about. Gratz to SK for being able to ride on the success of IM in GSTL by having one player on the bench because of this "partnership", if they now win the thing. Instead of you know... like getting your own team and all.

Thankfully Proleague starts soon.



You're absolutely right. SK seem like cheapskates, simply buying out a champion, and skimping on an actual 'team'. This way they don't need a teamhouse, don't need to grow players, and only pay 1 ticket. This time they even manage to attach their name alongside IM by loaning 1 player. Come on now...

It was even worse before, when they were simply "partnering" with oGs, honestly just invest in a team already.


This, and the walk overs have me a little upset. How many teams can partner up together? I just don't understand that really, it's pretty stupid. I also don't get why their giving walk overs 11 days before the matches begin, find a new team to replace OGS?

Oddly enough, this has me more upset than excited, lol.
"He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 17 2012 09:11 GMT
#111
On May 17 2012 18:08 GeNeSiDe wrote:
Before you get excited but check out MC's w/l as oGs closer.
I think he will be first pick to try to get an early kill but leave the hard stuff to MVP.


MVP probably wont even play in GSTL to be honest. With his wrists, I expect him to take a break after GSL Finals.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
May 17 2012 09:13 GMT
#112
On May 17 2012 18:09 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 17:49 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 17 2012 17:28 phodacbiet wrote:
This must be dustin browder and david kim's doing... there is no way something this imba is going to be allowed. I think destructable debris infront of IM-SK booth and give the other team a head start while whoever is on IM-SK breaks down the rock to get to his computer.. yes that would make it fair

IM coach will throw the 1st 2 games so their late game imbaness is justified.

Assymetric balance.


And yet this is the team with Googims Coca cola and LG as sponsor and now is teamed up with SK I am prity sure he did something right aswell, to bad we don't hear that but people keep hammering on old team matches.


I'm pretty sure that has more to do with quality of their players and their (mostly individual) accomplishments, and not so much with the coaching decisions in GSTL.
atenthirtyone
Profile Joined May 2010
United States88 Posts
May 17 2012 09:13 GMT
#113
Just because they have three Aces doesn't mean all three of them will be used in every single team match. Sometimes, the team will want to invest into newer/upcoming players and give them a TV match. Also, the team may want to use a "lesser" player as a specific sniper/matchup specialist. Also, the Ace players may need to practice for their individual leagues, or isn't in shape that particularly week. Look at Broodwar's proleague in the past, and you will see that newer and "lesser" players on the A-Team roster gets played quite a bit over the superstars. That said, MC makes IM's roster really damn scary.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
May 17 2012 09:14 GMT
#114
On May 17 2012 18:10 v3chr0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 18:01 W2 wrote:
On May 17 2012 17:22 Gosi wrote:
I don't know how anyone can enjoy GSTL with things like this. Winners league and teams partner up with each other left and right just kills what team leagues is all about. Gratz to SK for being able to ride on the success of IM in GSTL by having one player on the bench because of this "partnership", if they now win the thing. Instead of you know... like getting your own team and all.

Thankfully Proleague starts soon.



You're absolutely right. SK seem like cheapskates, simply buying out a champion, and skimping on an actual 'team'. This way they don't need a teamhouse, don't need to grow players, and only pay 1 ticket. This time they even manage to attach their name alongside IM by loaning 1 player. Come on now...

It was even worse before, when they were simply "partnering" with oGs, honestly just invest in a team already.


This, and the walk overs have me a little upset. How many teams can partner up together? I just don't understand that really, it's pretty stupid. I also don't get why their giving walk overs 11 days before the matches begin, find a new team to replace OGS?

Oddly enough, this has me more upset than excited, lol.

Find a new team? What team can they just find? All the Korean teams are there + TL and Fnatic. And you act like 11 days is a long time to find a new team to commit to a long term league that will prevent them from playing foreign tournaments as well.

Think people.
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Dwelf
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands365 Posts
May 17 2012 09:14 GMT
#115
IM coach wont use them anyway for atleast till the finals.
k
S_SienZ
Profile Joined September 2011
1878 Posts
May 17 2012 09:15 GMT
#116
On May 17 2012 18:09 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 17:49 S_SienZ wrote:
On May 17 2012 17:28 phodacbiet wrote:
This must be dustin browder and david kim's doing... there is no way something this imba is going to be allowed. I think destructable debris infront of IM-SK booth and give the other team a head start while whoever is on IM-SK breaks down the rock to get to his computer.. yes that would make it fair

IM coach will throw the 1st 2 games so their late game imbaness is justified.

Assymetric balance.


And yet this is the team with Googims Coca cola and LG as sponsor and now is teamed up with SK I am prity sure he did something right aswell, to bad we don't hear that but people keep hammering on old team matches.

Don't get me wrong, I think he's done a fantastic job for IM for the most part.

I just find his decisions when picking a lineup questionable.
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
May 17 2012 09:15 GMT
#117
the 2011 Trium Virat finally united
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Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
May 17 2012 09:17 GMT
#118
lol wow, this is shaping up to be an amazing season.
You may delay, but time will not. Current Music obsession: Opeth
v3chr0
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States856 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-17 09:21:31
May 17 2012 09:21 GMT
#119
On May 17 2012 18:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 18:10 v3chr0 wrote:
On May 17 2012 18:01 W2 wrote:
On May 17 2012 17:22 Gosi wrote:
I don't know how anyone can enjoy GSTL with things like this. Winners league and teams partner up with each other left and right just kills what team leagues is all about. Gratz to SK for being able to ride on the success of IM in GSTL by having one player on the bench because of this "partnership", if they now win the thing. Instead of you know... like getting your own team and all.

Thankfully Proleague starts soon.



You're absolutely right. SK seem like cheapskates, simply buying out a champion, and skimping on an actual 'team'. This way they don't need a teamhouse, don't need to grow players, and only pay 1 ticket. This time they even manage to attach their name alongside IM by loaning 1 player. Come on now...

It was even worse before, when they were simply "partnering" with oGs, honestly just invest in a team already.


This, and the walk overs have me a little upset. How many teams can partner up together? I just don't understand that really, it's pretty stupid. I also don't get why their giving walk overs 11 days before the matches begin, find a new team to replace OGS?

Oddly enough, this has me more upset than excited, lol.

Find a new team? What team can they just find? All the Korean teams are there + TL and Fnatic. And you act like 11 days is a long time to find a new team to commit to a long term league that will prevent them from playing foreign tournaments as well.

Think people.



11 days is a fair amount of time, but you have a point since there is no teams left in Korea to play(i think). Still though, with rumors of OGS going under, I'd have expected different.
"He catches him with his pants down, backs him off into a corner, and then it's over." - Khaldor
Angelbelow
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3728 Posts
May 17 2012 09:28 GMT
#120
On May 17 2012 18:21 v3chr0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2012 18:14 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 17 2012 18:10 v3chr0 wrote:
On May 17 2012 18:01 W2 wrote:
On May 17 2012 17:22 Gosi wrote:
I don't know how anyone can enjoy GSTL with things like this. Winners league and teams partner up with each other left and right just kills what team leagues is all about. Gratz to SK for being able to ride on the success of IM in GSTL by having one player on the bench because of this "partnership", if they now win the thing. Instead of you know... like getting your own team and all.

Thankfully Proleague starts soon.



You're absolutely right. SK seem like cheapskates, simply buying out a champion, and skimping on an actual 'team'. This way they don't need a teamhouse, don't need to grow players, and only pay 1 ticket. This time they even manage to attach their name alongside IM by loaning 1 player. Come on now...

It was even worse before, when they were simply "partnering" with oGs, honestly just invest in a team already.


This, and the walk overs have me a little upset. How many teams can partner up together? I just don't understand that really, it's pretty stupid. I also don't get why their giving walk overs 11 days before the matches begin, find a new team to replace OGS?

Oddly enough, this has me more upset than excited, lol.

Find a new team? What team can they just find? All the Korean teams are there + TL and Fnatic. And you act like 11 days is a long time to find a new team to commit to a long term league that will prevent them from playing foreign tournaments as well.

Think people.



11 days is a fair amount of time, but you have a point since there is no teams left in Korea to play(i think). Still though, with rumors of OGS going under, I'd have expected different.


11 days is not a fair amount of time when you consider the magnitude of team that they have to replace. Your point of there being no teams left in Korea is a good one. So if you focus on foreign teams, you're talking about relocating at least 5 of their players and additional funding for housing and such. I share your disappointment with oGs being a walkover but I don't think there is much we can do about it.
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