Our Misguided Quest for Perfect Balance - Page 7

On May 12 2012 05:08 Darkedge wrote:
I find it interesting that people always find their own race the weakest and it is always the other races that are OP, this just shows how limited and biased people can be. They want to believe that when they win, they did it because of how skilled they are, overcoming the odds stacked against them. It also gives them a nice convenient excuse when they lose, they get to blame it on balance instead of looking at their own mistakes. Ultimately it all comes down to the human ego. People that can't overcome their ego will always be prevented from achieving their true potential.

On May 14 2012 19:06 takingbackoj wrote:
I completely disagree with the op. Just like every other problem in the world, ignoring it is not going to solve anything. Being belligerent about the problems wont solve it either. An open dialogue about balance with individuals who are actually trying to fix the issues and not just angry because they lost is the best solution. But balance is no different than anything else in the world, ignoring a problem does not make it go away and there is no way anyone can think the game is perfectly balanced. I feel the "stop complaining and play" argument is a little elitest.

On May 12 2012 05:03 Vindicare605 wrote:
This sounds like a blog.

But yea I tell people this same thing all the time since I play random and I encourage anyone who hasn't tried random on the ladder to do so to get a better sense of game balance.

That said, Flash is a bit of a different example altogether because he's coming from Brood War. Which was a much better balanced game than SC2 is currently, so I can understand the frustration.

On May 12 2012 05:08 Darkedge wrote:
I find it interesting that people always find their own race the weakest and it is always the other races that are OP, this just shows how limited and biased people can be. They want to believe that when they win, they did it because of how skilled they are, overcoming the odds stacked against them. It also gives them a nice convenient excuse when they lose, they get to blame it on balance instead of looking at their own mistakes. Ultimately it all comes down to the human ego. People that can't overcome their ego will always be prevented from achieving their true potential.

On May 14 2012 12:48 Instigata wrote:
The whole balance thing is hilarious. I wish we could have let things sit and only make changes when it's pretty much 100% agreed upon since BETA. Funny they say Terran is just fine since Koreans can do well with them (and Thorzain) and they are winning GSL and tournaments. Where were those thoughts when Z and P won the first two GSLs?

SC2 is a joke and being dominated globally by LoL. Never thought the starcraft line would be dominated in Korea but it's happening. Blizzard making last minute deals and even Flash cannot save this heap of garbage. Diablo 3 will kill casual gamers playing SC2 and DOTA2 will finish off the competitive ones even with HOTS.

I bet Flash and other BW pros hate things like Fungal, FF, and Concussive Shells since it disables a progamers ability to utilize skill. Not to mention I have never seen this many base trades in BW in 10 years as compared to SC2 in a few years.

You Terran users should be happy that you can play a race that only Koreans and Thorzain can win with on the global stage.
The best thing about spectating and watching pros is watching "OMG I could never do that" moves which seems to happen only with Terran. I'm not saying Terran pro users are more skilled, I think it's just Blizzard limited the other races. Although I do like Naniwa and FF even though it neutralizes the other progamers skills.

EDIT: On a side note, some of you think Blizzard does a good job balancing? Just look at the maps they make, that should give you an idea how much they have a grip on this game. Barfs.

On May 12 2012 04:58 KiRiN wrote:
Starcraft 2 has been out for less than two years. Think about how many years passed before the Brood War metagame became stabilized.

On May 14 2012 19:50 reminisce12 wrote:
your mindset of comparing bw and sc2 balance is ridiculous, i hear alot of people saying that bw had over 10 years to become balanced, which is terribly misinformed, the last balance patch for bw was in 2001.

yes, sc2 is still young when compared to bw, but in this day and age there are so many tools and references to make balance decisions off of, the process should be much quicker and efficient, yet this is not the case. how many times have we seen back and forth balance decisions, just wiki the build time for the terran bunker or rax. blizzard simply cannot get their numbers right. Another is blizz making extreme adjustments that are make or break, im talking bout things like snipe 45->25, warp prism shields 40->100. These things never happend in bw.