1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
Rumor of oGs disbanding has surfaced on a Korean esports news website.
스타크래프트2 명문 프로게임단 oGs와 관련 최근 해체할 수도 있다는 소문이 돌고 있어 충격을 주고 있다. 스타2 복수 관계자에 확인한 결과 이 해체설은 설득력을 얻고 있으며 일부 유저들에게도 퍼지고 있는 것으로 알려졌다.
이와 별도로 취재 결과 oGs는 최근 팀 운영의 어려움을 겪고 있었던 것으로 밝혀졌다. 운영 주체인 e스타즈 홀딩스에서 운영에 난색을 표했고 황규훈 단장을 비롯한 선수단의 매수 기업을 찾았다. 하지만 매수 기업이 나타나지 않았고, 이에 해체 수순을 밟는 것이 아니냐는 전망이다. 이와 관련해 문의하자 황규훈 단장은 "아직 확정된 것은 없다"는 짧은 답변만을 전해왔다.
oGs의 해체설이 구체적으로 드러난 상황인 만큼 e스포츠 팬들에겐 큰 충격이 아닐 수 없다. oGs는 스타2 베타 시절 창단돼 장민철, 김정훈, 김영진 등을 스타 플레이어로 성장시켰다. 그러나 최근 장민철, 이윤열, 송현덕, 최정민 등 팀의 주축 선수들이 해외팀으로 빠져나가며 전력이 크게 하락했다는 평을 받아왔다.
업계 소식에 정통한 한 관계자는 "최근 oGs와 관련 안 좋은 소문이 돌기는 했지만 좋은 쪽으로 해결이 날 것으로 기대한다"고 말했다.
Summary of the article
-Rumours of possibility of oGs disbanding is spreading, cause a stir in the scene. -Multiple inside sources support this rumour.
-Additional investigating shows that oGs has indeed been having difficulties such as running the team(making ends meet) . -Hang gyu hoon, owner of oGs, looked for companies to buy the team at 'E stars holdings' but was unsuccessful. -Hang gyu hoon only commented "Nothing has been confirmed yet" at inquires. -other random points such as oGs roster being thin these days.
Not too shocking for me if this happens. For a while now I have been wondering which team out of the current big teams will be the first to disband and lately I was thinking that oGs looked a little vulnerable.
It's sad but with a fair bit of their star power now over on other teams it feels as if the team "served it's purpose". It started out as a group of SC1 migrants and we saw them develop and make a name for themself but now it feels oGs doesn't mean what it used to. One of my favourite teams and they're still good but I wouldn't be surprised if we see them divide into other teams (SuperNova for sure, if oGs disbands).
edit: and they're actually a pretty big team with 19 players I'm sure that isn't cheap.
There is no money in Korea for SCII (yet). A lot of their star players left so they don't get income from foreign tournaments.
So simply said, they have 0 money, lost all their good players, and don't really have any up and coming players. Yeh disbanding doesn't sound all that bad.
On May 11 2012 21:52 Jakkerr wrote: There is no money in Korea for SCII (yet). A lot of their star players left so they don't get income from foreign tournaments.
So simply said, they have 0 money, lost all their good players, and don't really have any up and coming players. Yeh disbanding doesn't sound all that bad.
With your logic ZeNEX would have been dead a long time ago.
Maybe time for oGs to start looking for the THING.
On May 11 2012 21:49 Jaaaaasper wrote: But where will team liquid players stay........ Here is to hoping they find a new sponsor before they have to disband.
Jinro is actually looking for a new place, and I believe TLO is going to be moving in with him in the next couple of weeks, I'm not %100 sure about this but i'm sure I have read it somewhere recently. Maybe these rumors are actually going to turn out to be true
On May 11 2012 21:52 Jakkerr wrote: There is no money in Korea for SCII (yet). A lot of their star players left so they don't get income from foreign tournaments.
So simply said, they have 0 money, lost all their good players, and don't really have any up and coming players. Yeh disbanding doesn't sound all that bad.
fOrGG is still there, so is Inca and TheStC. Plus up and coming players like Vines and Lure are still there. Yes that list is a weak shadow of its former self, but oGs hasn't lost ALL of their good players. It's gonna be tough for them to find sponsors though, and I honestly hope they do so the Liquid players can remain there, and I'm worried for fOrGG and TheStC of course!
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
You can't really blame TL for that. TL is doing what is necessary to buff up their own roster. I'm sure they would hate it if oGs went down.
Add to the fact that TL only got HerO back when he wasn't showing his potential yet and Zenio after he had been dropped from the team. Both of which weren't their star players.
NaDa and MC leaving were the first signs that oGs wasn't the stable team we had expected.
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
I wouldn't exactly say that. During the press release for the Hero transfer, the coach for OGS was quoted as saying that he was actively looking for an opportunity to send a player to TL. In fact, if I recall, Zenio specifically switched to TL from OGS because OGS wanted him to stay in the training house, which he was not comfortable with. So, it was either that he would leave OGS or transfer to TL.
Anyways, if this is true, I wonder how it would impact TL seeing as they have been sharing a team house...
Also, let's not hype this up too much. After all, there have been like 5 different rumors about Zenex disbanding, and they're still together.
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
Zenio left oGs because he didn't want to be in the team house. Not because TL wanted him. It worked out well that TL picked him up.. AFTER he chose to leave.
Hero made his fame after he joined TL, before then he had played one nice PvP in GSTL and qualified once or twice for Code A.
Maybe this is the real reason TL/TLO were looking for a house?
If this really is happening. I could see a lot of oGs players looking at KeSPA teams. KeSPA teams will provide just about everything oGs did (training facility, food, shelter, etc.) and maybe a little more or better quality.
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
Zenio left oGs because he didn't want to be in the team house. Not because TL wanted him. It worked out well that TL picked him up.. AFTER he chose to leave.
Hero made his fame after he joined TL, before then he had played one nice PvP in GSTL and qualified once or twice for Code A.
HerO was already one of oGs's best players in practice, just waiting for his break-out. Not saying TL poached him or anything, because I believe HerO himself didn't want to join TL originally when presented with the offer, but oGs management convinced him it was an amazing offer. Although I will say, TL provided him the opportunity to have his break-out, which would've been greatly delayed if he remained in oGs.
I wouldn't be surprised if this is just the tip of the iceberg with GSL teams/players getting hit hard by Kespa moving to SC2. Maybe even GSL itself.
The entire GSL set up has been averse to empowering teams since day one. They lack a lot of the control that Kespa granted them. Similarly they have no sponsors, money, etc. Even the poorest Kespa teams can provide so much more stability and support for players, and these SC2 players will be in high demand as player-coaches.
In a way by not succeeding to the point where Blizzard continues to have faith in them and their exclusive broadcast rights (let's be honest, they were strong-armed into giving them up, probably at the promise of never getting the time of day from Blizzard once their deal was up if they didn't work with Kespa) they've sealed their own fate. They didn't want a strong team presence and I think it's going to bite them in the ass when everyone with talent gets poached by Kespa.
I am expecting to see some of the bigger teams jump ship to Kespa/proleague as well
A lot of korean players are very limited, they may travel to a foreign tournament and place high enough for prize money, but they can't because they're on a korean team, without enough money.
Really hope this isn't the case, Prime and Zenex have both been in a similar position before with prime rising from the ashes and zenex refusing to quit, if oGs is going to disband in these circumstances it really will be a blow to the scene, they've produced such excellent players, the team really doesn't deserve to be in the position its currently in.
was kinda obviously since the wind was looking for players for LoL team ... then aswel sc2 is very small in korea guys , maybe you think it is big but compared to sc : bw is 1/4 , and sc : bw compared to league of legends right now in koea is 1/3 ......
hope they will find sponsors and they will keep going on , ogs will 4ever be the best team for me ! oGs Hwiting !!
I was just looking at the roster of their players on Liquipedia, and it says that Aria joined on April 15th, 2012. Seems strange to me that they'd sign a new player like this if things are really this bad.
On May 11 2012 22:18 where_ wrote: I was just looking at the roster of their players on Liquipedia, and it says that Aria joined on April 15th, 2012. Seems strange to me that they'd sign a new player like this if things are really this bad.
Lure also recently joined I think. With korean teams, I don't thinking signing a player really involves money or contracts that much?
On May 11 2012 22:18 where_ wrote: I was just looking at the roster of their players on Liquipedia, and it says that Aria joined on April 15th, 2012. Seems strange to me that they'd sign a new player like this if things are really this bad.
It's possible that with the recent news with KeSPA joining the SC2 scene, some sponsors decided to pull out and stick with the more stable teams.
On May 11 2012 22:00 bokchoi wrote: Maybe this is the real reason TL/TLO were looking for a house?
If this really is happening. I could see a lot of oGs players looking at KeSPA teams. KeSPA teams will provide just about everything oGs did (training facility, food, shelter, etc.) and maybe a little more or better quality.
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
Zenio left oGs because he didn't want to be in the team house. Not because TL wanted him. It worked out well that TL picked him up.. AFTER he chose to leave.
Hero made his fame after he joined TL, before then he had played one nice PvP in GSTL and qualified once or twice for Code A.
HerO was already one of oGs's best players in practice, just waiting for his break-out. Not saying TL poached him or anything, because I believe HerO himself didn't want to join TL originally when presented with the offer, but oGs management convinced him it was an amazing offer. Although I will say, TL provided him the opportunity to have his break-out, which would've been greatly delayed if he remained in oGs.
Remember KeSPA players have to play BW too (and in a three-player line-up). Don't see any SC2 players transitioning back and actually getting played regularly - their chances of winning the mechanically-dependent BW games just aren't great after years of not practicing.
ogs used to be awesome. such a shame they might be disbanding. makes sense given supernova changing his twitter handle and responding to someone asking about him leaving with a "YES"
I blame SK Gaming if this is true... They told OGS they were interested in a partnership and then stole their best player. That's some fuck'd up shit yo!
If this does come to fruition I'll be upset. Although they have lost Zenio, HerO, MC, Nada and most recently SuperNova, that is a lot of their better players all going on to different teams
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
Hero: was just a promising rookie when TL got him. Yes, he was and still is in oGs house for all this time being but all of his success was in liquid's flagship. Zenio: didn't want to stay at team house and oGs rejected Zenio in that. Later, he was offered (attention: offered) to teamliquid by oGs staff.
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
That's just silly...Liquid took a total of TWO players that were once on oGs, and Zenio had already left the team, and oGs actually asked TL if they wanted to pick him up. Sure, they took HerO, but HerO wasn't really a star until he joined TL.
I agree that top players leaving oGs for foreign teams probably hurt them, but the blame shouldn't solely rest on TeamLiquid because they've gotten one player (if you don't count Zenio who had already left) and he wasn't even that notable until his breakout in TeamLiquid.
Wow, oGs was one of the first big Korean names I heard and cheered for, featuring players like Nada, Zenio and MC, and now they're all gone... e-Sports nostalgia
They lacked sponsors/money, not players and results. If at all, TL and SK prolonged the life of oGs, because they couldnt afford all the salaries. Especially the TL partnership is reported to be very friendly, they were still playing for oGs in GSTL.
One of my fav team jerseys and actually I would buy one to support the team if they made them available. Its sad that a team like OGS would die right before SC2 hits the big time in Korea. I wonder if TL will actually let it die or maybe pick up some players or something since they are the korean partner and all.
EDIT: I looked at their liquipedia page and they partnered not too long ago with eSahara I wonder what the TL deal was now like did they just allow them to train and thats it and that allowed for the SK and subsequently the eSahara deal to take place. Anyway it doesn't really matter but eSahara has a lot of money maybe they can just absorb the roster of OGS.
Now that I think about it i'm pretty sure that fin didn't wear his oGs uniform in his Code A match. *Edit Ok he was wearing his uniform. Still its sad that this is happening
Can't live off Mom's Touch chicken forever I was curious as to why so many people were jumping-ship -- their heavy-hitters, too. Don't get me wrong, they still have a great line-up, but not nearly as strong or multi-faceted as they were with MC and would have been with the new HerO.
quite obviously there just isnt enough money in the scene to support so many players. ogs the first victim, wont be the last. i must admit though, that ogs was perhaps one of the teams i liked more.
On May 11 2012 22:57 FlukyS wrote: One of my fav team jerseys and actually I would buy one to support the team if they made them available. Its sad that a team like OGS would die right before SC2 hits the big time in Korea. I wonder if TL will actually let it die or maybe pick up some players or something since they are the korean partner and all.
EDIT: I looked at their liquipedia page and they partnered not too long ago with eSahara I wonder what the TL deal was now like did they just allow them to train and thats it and that allowed for the SK and subsequently the eSahara deal to take place. Anyway it doesn't really matter but eSahara has a lot of money maybe they can just absorb the roster of OGS.
Its a shame but bound to happen if they continue as they are right now. oGs was basically living off the hype of being a team filled with BW players, and early domination of the GSL. But the team lacked charisma, (aside from MC and Nada). It was prestige being on oGs but now its not.
They need to change their plans if they want to survive as a team.
They should imitate Prime, They have Primezzang that serves as their income. Maybe some uniforms, jackets, would be a hit and make money for them Hope they not disband
So sad. oGs was one of the first KR-teams that surfaced in beta. Unfortunately, rumors like these almost always become the truth. Would be heartbreaking to see them go. I hope Liquid can help them to stay alive. Best of look, Old Generations! You will not be forgotten too easily!
They are supposed to be made available on thehandsomenerd.com soon (or were?)
Esahara disbanded and was bought by absolute legends
Wow thanks for the clarification and the link. I completely forgot about eSahara. I checked their website and the deal with oGs is still there so they are listed as players for AL http://www.absolutelegends.net/teams/194/ALoGs but I can only speculate how much that means for them.
They should've explored more foreign options. Even before, their parthership with SK for example was just personal sponsorships for specific players. They should've find some team/sponsor from the outside and then earn something from sending good players to foreign tournaments and stuff. They are just slowly falling apart now for couple of months now.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
This is plain simply wrong.
MC left for SK, Hero was a relatively unknown player with no significant accomplishments back when he was signed by TL, NaDa left for Complexity as he wanted a new challenge and a big contract before he goes to the army, Zenio was gonna leave on his own anyway... And we're still waiting on confirmation on SuperNova.
So for now oGs as we know it is dead, but majority of the players have decided to stick with TheWinD and create a new team.
On May 11 2012 23:41 Fionn wrote: Wow, ZeNex outlasted oGs?
Who would have predicted that.
I'm actually curious about this. What does ZeNEX actually do/provide their players? AFAIK they closed down their training house and the players live and practice for home. I guess they still technically have some sort of coaching staff, which helps, but other than some "coaching" what exactly were the players getting? Exposure? I guess ZeNEX doesn't really have any star-power or name-value players... Maybe Life, but hes still an undeveloped talent..
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
Hate to be "that guy" but would be interesting if kespa teams made some offers.
On May 11 2012 23:41 bokchoi wrote: So for now oGs as we know it is dead, but majority of the players have decided to stick with TheWinD and create a new team.
That's great and all but.... doesn't this mean oGs is starting over from scratch? No sponsors, no nothing?
On May 11 2012 23:41 bokchoi wrote: So for now oGs as we know it is dead, but majority of the players have decided to stick with TheWinD and create a new team.
It's not really a new team per se, because players and coaches will mostly be the same. Financially there would be a big difference though. Oh and the name change, which I hope they don't go through with.
On May 11 2012 23:41 bokchoi wrote: So for now oGs as we know it is dead, but majority of the players have decided to stick with TheWinD and create a new team.
That's great and all but.... doesn't this mean oGs is starting over from scratch? No sponsors, no nothing?
That's what it sounds like. Its commendable. I want to say its for the GSTL (gives themselves exposure, as well as not "screwing over" gom), but chances are they'll be peaced out in the initial rounds and then the team actually will disband...
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
Hate to be "that guy" but would be interesting if kespa teams made some offers.
Kespa said they will not recruit any current SC2 pro for at least a year.
That's really sad =/ oGs was the first sc2 team I really got into; my favorite team for the longest time. Makes sense that rumors of disbanding are floating and I wouldn't be terribly surprised if it were to happen soon. I still can't help but QQ, though ><
Also I wonder how GSTL is going to go down now. Do the teams playing oGs just get a free win or we will get a fill-in team? The only foreign team that could probably do it is EG with Thorzain/Huk/Puma/JYP, but they would need a fifth to come and live in Korea for a sustained period.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
Hate to be "that guy" but would be interesting if kespa teams made some offers.
Kespa teams have agreed not to do anything with SC2 players for a year or something like that.
The main issue will be opportunistic foreigner teams potentially trying to grab players, but risking any chance of having respect in the Korean community. Might be interesting to see if anyone tries anything, especially when many are partnered with Korean teams.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
DAMN YOU YELLOW!!!
New name? Mayhaps it shall be "New Generations"? nGs Fighting!
On May 11 2012 23:49 Fionn wrote: Also I wonder how GSTL is going to go down now. Do the teams playing oGs just get a free win or we will get a fill-in team? The only foreign team that could probably do it is EG with Thorzain/Huk/Puma/JYP, but they would need a fifth to come and live in Korea for a sustained period.
Too bad Rising Star went off and died.
oGs isn't gone. Their players may have to eat grass for food but the team will still be there.
There was a time when any betting man would have picked oGs over SlayerS in the GSTL... here's hoping the remaining oGs guys figure something out, their closeness to TL players always made me unable to root against them.
On May 11 2012 23:55 Striborg wrote: There was a time when any betting man would have picked oGs over SlayerS in the GSTL... here's hoping the remaining oGs guys figure something out, their closeness to TL players always made me unable to root against them.
Sad to see oGs disband, but considering how many good players they lost, it's wouldn't be surprise. I wonder what will happen with SuperNoVa, fOrGG and TheStC. Will they stay with TheWinD or will they try to go to other teams? Actually, I'd like to see Liquid'Fin ^^
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled. TheWind and players are planning to rebuild the team together. It is unclear who will be willing to stay on. They are also planning to change the name.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
Hate to be "that guy" but would be interesting if kespa teams made some offers.
Kespa teams have agreed not to do anything with SC2 players for a year or something like that.
The main issue will be opportunistic foreigner teams potentially trying to grab players, but risking any chance of having respect in the Korean community. Might be interesting to see if anyone tries anything, especially when many are partnered with Korean teams.
I wonder what would happen if players (for example, ForGG and SuperNoVa, who still have strong connections/ties to KeSPA teams: KT & Woongjin) actively pursued a KeSPA team. If a KeSPA team comes away with ForGG or SuperNoVa they instantly become a championship contender in PL.
Sadly this is partly the managements fault. Zenex is barely surviving, but is doing better partially because of their management. oGs needs to sell their team better if they want to survive but as far as I can tell it may be too late.
On May 11 2012 23:59 GertHeart wrote: Sadly this is partly the managements fault. Zenex is barely surviving, but is doing better partially because of their management. oGs needs to sell their team better if they want to survive but as far as I can tell it may be too late.
Some of the reports say Spunky tried to sell the team, but no one was interested. I think its crazy how fast this went from being a rumor to reality.
On May 11 2012 23:59 GertHeart wrote: Sadly this is partly the managements fault. Zenex is barely surviving, but is doing better partially because of their management. oGs needs to sell their team better if they want to survive but as far as I can tell it may be too late.
ZeNEX seems to be holding as the partnership with Legion shows.
On May 12 2012 00:07 Noocta wrote: And here come the first example of a sponsor going away from SC2 to go for a LoL team.
yeah, In Korea too, it must be emphasized. We know LoL is really big there, and SC2 is relatively bigger across the pacific, but it definitely bears paying attention to. It raised my eyebrows for sure.
I wonder how big of an organization estars holdings is-- is it marginal? does it sponsor a lot of stuff or just one thing?
This is why SC2 fans should not support LOL (unless you're actually a fan of LOL). It is not a simple matter of live and let live. The e-sports pie can only accomodate so much.
On May 12 2012 00:09 red4ce wrote: This is why people should not support LOL. It is not a simple matter of live and let live. The e-sports pie can only accomodate so much
On May 12 2012 00:09 red4ce wrote: This is why people should not support LOL. It is not a simple matter of live and let live. The e-sports pie can only accomodate so much
omg LoL is killing esports XD XD XD
its not
It's okay to be a fan of SC and not give a fuck about esports.
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking priority over sponsorship of a team like oGs
To be fair, from what I've seen, Xenics Storm is one of the top LoL teams in Korea and have Yellow as the face of the team. Did they lose their sponsorship before or after Nada and MC left? It's hard to get any sponsors when you don't have the most marketable players.
oGs was dropped because they have no good players left and no results, then the sponsors picked up LoL. It's not like there was anyone left on oGs worth supporting and they decided to pick LoL over them.
On May 11 2012 23:55 Striborg wrote: There was a time when any betting man would have picked oGs over SlayerS in the GSTL... here's hoping the remaining oGs guys figure something out, their closeness to TL players always made me unable to root against them.
Such an awesome picture ._.
Those were probably my fondest memories / days in SC2.
I bet if someone started a fundraiser or something it would be insane the amount of money they could raise... after reading this thread, people love oGs
On May 12 2012 00:25 Phemtos wrote: So LoL literally killed off a SC2 team?
Hopefully the idiots will now stop saying to support all esports(I'm looking at you DJwheat), LoL is starting to cut into our sponsors and money.
A LoL team with Yellow as the face of it is going to the closest thing LoL in Korea has to SlayerS, who do you think the sponsors are going to go for when given a team with one of the most famous gamers in Korea or a team that has one championship level player.
IM just got a big deal with LG, did any of the Korean LoL teams get a big deal with them?
I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
On May 12 2012 00:33 Trell wrote: I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
I dunno why people think TSL is so bad off. They just moved into a bigger place and Coach Lee sends Polt to like every single foreign tournament imaginable. They pretty much always have one or two players at every big foreign tournament.
On May 12 2012 00:33 Trell wrote: I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
I dunno why people think TSL is so bad off. They just moved into a bigger place and Coach Lee sends Polt to like every single foreign tournament imaginable. They pretty much always have one or two players at every big foreign tournament.
Yeah Lee may come off as a little bit crazy (PuMa and aLive issue), but he was the first one to get real sponsor backing for his team.
On May 12 2012 00:33 Trell wrote: I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
I dunno why people think TSL is so bad off. They just moved into a bigger place and Coach Lee sends Polt to like every single foreign tournament imaginable. They pretty much always have one or two players at every big foreign tournament.
Yes, but that's only quite recently. Half a year ago, with all the trouble about players leaving TSL to join other teams, managers spying on the chats of the players, everything seemed pretty unstable.
On May 12 2012 00:33 Trell wrote: I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
I dunno why people think TSL is so bad off. They just moved into a bigger place and Coach Lee sends Polt to like every single foreign tournament imaginable. They pretty much always have one or two players at every big foreign tournament.
I've always wondered myself as well.. weren't they the first korean pro team to give salaries to their players? If there was ever a korean pro team with financial issues, TSL wasn't it.
On May 12 2012 00:33 Trell wrote: I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
I dunno why people think TSL is so bad off. They just moved into a bigger place and Coach Lee sends Polt to like every single foreign tournament imaginable. They pretty much always have one or two players at every big foreign tournament.
Yes, but that's only quite recently. Half a year ago, with all the trouble about players leaving TSL to join other teams, managers spying on the chats of the players, everything seemed pretty unstable.
i think its same in sc1 houses.
coaches checking computers and watching their practices etc.
It is always sad when you see a team disband but it sounds like they way they want to revamp everything will be good. Good luck to all the former oGs players and managers I hope they can figure things out soon!
this is some sad news. But I hope they can rebuild under another name, that would be nice for those players. Or else they just sign with other teams. I bet most of them can find a new team.
On May 12 2012 00:33 Trell wrote: I would have that that Zenex or TSL would disband first =(. If it's true, it is definitely a shame, I've always loved OGS and considered them one of my favorites alongside ST.
I dunno why people think TSL is so bad off. They just moved into a bigger place and Coach Lee sends Polt to like every single foreign tournament imaginable. They pretty much always have one or two players at every big foreign tournament.
Yes, but that's only quite recently. Half a year ago, with all the trouble about players leaving TSL to join other teams, managers spying on the chats of the players, everything seemed pretty unstable.
Still TSL has never had any economic issues and they always came back stronger after each downfall (first one was after Rain, Fruitdealer, Tester, Puma all left in the course of one month, and next time was when JYP, SangHo, Clide, Heart and aLive left). And right now they're efforts are paying off, Polt has done well at many tournaments this year, SymboL did well at Iron Squid and + Show Spoiler +
Inori, SymboL and Polt all qualified for Spring Arena 2
Sad to hear i love the oGs coach, he to me seems one of the coolest coaches out there. Also one of the highest playing ones respectful to his players and those of other teams and treating Liquid like family.
I hope he finds a new sponsor and they can get on as a team, be it any other name. (time for new zerg talent maybe ?)
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
but...but...but I thought that what was good for one eSport is good for all eSports? You mean that sponsors actually have limited funds to throw at this industry and they aren't going to share it with all games equally?
Well no shit, this was bound to start happening and I'm definitely not going to start listening to people telling me to support LoL now.
Apart from the actual meaning of the abbriviation (original generation) I always read it as Original Gangsters. So suitable. So sad this team has to go ...
On May 12 2012 01:02 TORTOISE wrote: I cuold see the same shit happening to SlayerS. everyone stole their talent but they remain with some highly skilled players.
ROFL
You're kidding me right?
Who did SlayerS lose? GanZi? They still have one of the biggest rosters in SC2.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
but...but...but I thought that what was good for one eSport is good for all eSports? You mean that sponsors actually have limited funds to throw at this industry and they aren't going to share it with all games equally?
Well no shit, this was bound to start happening and I'm definitely not going to start listening to people telling me to support LoL now.
There're plenty of sponsors, if they are not interested in sc2 it's not LoL's fault.
Korean teams didn't have any money before LoL anyway.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
but...but...but I thought that what was good for one eSport is good for all eSports? You mean that sponsors actually have limited funds to throw at this industry and they aren't going to share it with all games equally?
Well no shit, this was bound to start happening and I'm definitely not going to start listening to people telling me to support LoL now.
There're plenty of sponsors, if they are not interested in sc2 it's not LoL's fault.
Korean teams didn't have any money before LoL anyway.
Some korean teams did...clearly OGS did before their main sponsor was pulled....TSL has quite a few, MVP has a few good ones as well as other teams having some too.. I mean OGS had mom's touch which I went too and was fucking awesome
NOOO my favorite team well after Startales now. I used to love oGs, they had everyone i loved, but now it seems that they kinda fell off, but they still have some greats like TheSTC, Cezanne, Vines, they are still very good, and this is really sad.
On May 12 2012 01:03 OptimusYale wrote: Fuck LoL... the game is awful to watch and to me is just unplayable...I really can't understand the hype
Forever OGS....the team that dominated the scene seemingly forever ;-;
The real problem will be DOTA 2 I think. LoL already took so many but it has leveled out. The name will take more on DOTA 2 (not to mention I hear it is better than LoL). F2P wins everytime but I hope HoTS brings the numbers back up.
Bittersweet, oGs was one of the few korean teams which I actually cared about and wanted to do well.. But I'm really happy that a strong team such as Xenics storm is having its sponsor, really happy for Yellow
Really hope fOrGG finds a team that can accomodate him, I doubt he'd go back to KT since he had expressed his dislike of allways being in Flash's shadow and he was probably the player hurting the most from KTFlash...
I honestly don't know too, to much about the rest of the players to care much at all, I feel heartless
On May 12 2012 01:03 OptimusYale wrote: Fuck LoL... the game is awful to watch and to me is just unplayable...I really can't understand the hype
Forever OGS....the team that dominated the scene seemingly forever ;-;
The real problem will be DOTA 2 I think. [b]LoL already took so many but it has leveled out[b]. The name will take more on DOTA 2 (not to mention I hear it is better than LoL). F2P wins everytime but I hope HoTS brings the numbers back up.
Not true, the LoL scene is still growing at an insane rate. IIRC they just passed 100,000,000 registered accounts.
On May 12 2012 01:07 B.I.G. wrote: Apart from the actual meaning of the abbriviation (original generation) I always read it as Original Gangsters. So suitable. So sad this team has to go ...
Old Generation Starcrafters.... Wtf original generation ?
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
but...but...but I thought that what was good for one eSport is good for all eSports? You mean that sponsors actually have limited funds to throw at this industry and they aren't going to share it with all games equally?
Well no shit, this was bound to start happening and I'm definitely not going to start listening to people telling me to support LoL now.
There're plenty of sponsors, if they are not interested in sc2 it's not LoL's fault.
Korean teams didn't have any money before LoL anyway.
Some korean teams did...clearly OGS did before their main sponsor was pulled....TSL has quite a few, MVP has a few good ones as well as other teams having some too.. I mean OGS had mom's touch which I went too and was fucking awesome
I agree some koreans teams are doing fairly well, IM just signed a great deal with LG.
There's no reason to freak out about lol stealing sc2 sponsorship....
If you hate a business for not supporting or investin in something they dont see as profitable then you are an idiot. Why should they have some warped sense of loyalty to support the subjectively better game when the numbers and profit from LoL say it all.
On May 12 2012 01:03 OptimusYale wrote: Fuck LoL... the game is awful to watch and to me is just unplayable...I really can't understand the hype
Forever OGS....the team that dominated the scene seemingly forever ;-;
The real problem will be DOTA 2 I think. [b]LoL already took so many but it has leveled out[b]. The name will take more on DOTA 2 (not to mention I hear it is better than LoL). F2P wins everytime but I hope HoTS brings the numbers back up.
Not true, the LoL scene is still growing at an insane rate. IIRC they just passed 100,000,000 registered accounts.
Oh boy here we go again with the ridiculous numbers.
The game is F-R-E-E meaning I can have 500 accounts and so can anyone else.
On May 12 2012 01:03 OptimusYale wrote: Fuck LoL... the game is awful to watch and to me is just unplayable...I really can't understand the hype
Forever OGS....the team that dominated the scene seemingly forever ;-;
The real problem will be DOTA 2 I think. [b]LoL already took so many but it has leveled out[b]. The name will take more on DOTA 2 (not to mention I hear it is better than LoL). F2P wins everytime but I hope HoTS brings the numbers back up.
Not true, the LoL scene is still growing at an insane rate. IIRC they just passed 100,000,000 registered accounts.
Oh boy here we go again with the ridiculous numbers.
The game is F-R-E-E meaning I can have 500 accounts and so can anyone else.
Pretty sure Riot knows when you have more than 1 acc.
On May 12 2012 01:03 OptimusYale wrote: Fuck LoL... the game is awful to watch and to me is just unplayable...I really can't understand the hype
Forever OGS....the team that dominated the scene seemingly forever ;-;
The real problem will be DOTA 2 I think. [b]LoL already took so many but it has leveled out[b]. The name will take more on DOTA 2 (not to mention I hear it is better than LoL). F2P wins everytime but I hope HoTS brings the numbers back up.
Not true, the LoL scene is still growing at an insane rate. IIRC they just passed 100,000,000 registered accounts.
Oh boy here we go again with the ridiculous numbers.
The game is F-R-E-E meaning I can have 500 accounts and so can anyone else.
Yes, this is true. That's why I said registered ACCOUNTS and not registered USERS.
The fact of the matter is that the game is still growing at a very large rate compared to most games out there, even F2P ones.
I hope everything works out for the oGs or at least all the players... they really defined Sc2 for the first year and a half and it's a shame to hear they may dispand. It's also sad that it may mean the end of the oGs-TL partnership, which I always thought was really cool.
An all-korean company leaving a game with a declining korean fan base? Not unexpected. I'm frankly really surprised oGs didn't land a sponsor deal from a global company. Having a global sponsor is probably a prerequisite to run a SC2 team nowadays. It's probably not so much a bad team as bad marketing and management thats been the problem here. I can see a large number of international teams drooling over the roster. One less team, yes, but the players will remain in the scene. No biggie.
This is sad, I remember when I first started watching GSL there was oGsMC oGsHerO oGsSuperNova. All those guys were baller and oGs was amazing, sad to see it go
On May 12 2012 01:03 OptimusYale wrote: Fuck LoL... the game is awful to watch and to me is just unplayable...I really can't understand the hype
Forever OGS....the team that dominated the scene seemingly forever ;-;
The real problem will be DOTA 2 I think. [b]LoL already took so many but it has leveled out[b]. The name will take more on DOTA 2 (not to mention I hear it is better than LoL). F2P wins everytime but I hope HoTS brings the numbers back up.
Not true, the LoL scene is still growing at an insane rate. IIRC they just passed 100,000,000 registered accounts.
I meant that it has leveled out in OUR community. All the ones who would leave SC2 for LoL have gone. F2P will always bring in many more, that doesn't make one better or worse. (although I'll be mad if SC dies to a WC3 rip-off since WC3 is my fav game of all time lol)
On May 12 2012 01:57 Balgrog wrote: This is sad, I remember when I first started watching GSL there was oGsMC oGsHerO oGsSuperNova. All those guys were baller and oGs was amazing, sad to see it go
why do people keep saying HerO was a baller back in oGs? He didn't gain any fame or recognition till after he joined TL...
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
You can't really blame TL for that. TL is doing what is necessary to buff up their own roster. I'm sure they would hate it if oGs went down.
Add to the fact that TL only got HerO back when he wasn't showing his potential yet and Zenio after he had been dropped from the team. Both of which weren't their star players.
NaDa and MC leaving were the first signs that oGs wasn't the stable team we had expected.
We came to the agreement of getting HerO after he was cycled out of the team house (at the time there were too many members for everyone to live in the team house constantly, so when it came time for hero to cycle out we talked about it, and funnily enough oGs had been having the same thoughts internally as well so we kinda just ended up being 'hey, we too!' and boom).
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
Korea has never been the place where the money for sc2 came from. Sc2 earning even less money in Korea does not change much imo. As long as its popular in Europe / NA everything is fine for sc2 overall.
I wish them the best, I wonder what this means for the Liquid players still there (if any? I can't keep track anymore)? But more importantly, what it means for the upcoming GSTL if this happens and they don't reform with a new team in time.
Noo one of my favorite teams disbanding. I really hope they regroup. Also gonna be interesting to see what happens to hero/zenio as they used to live their. Same goes for huk, haypro. I know jinro may move in with tlo.
i wonder if they will all switch over to LoL? gotta follow the money
did Destiny say he was switching to LoL?
I really hate LoL, but after watching a couple casts it seems there is more "excitement" during team fights because its potentially 10 players. Combined with f2p and better promotion from Riot its doing better in esports...
Don't really understand - if eStars Holding is a sponsor, why does oGs need to abandon their brand and reform? Do eStars own the oGs brand or something?
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. For ESPORTS.
I'm sorry BW is dead , no need to take it out on SC2 fans
idk.. even among asians (or at least the people i come in contact with), dota like games have been eclipsing rts games in popularity for a long time. i don't really understand it myself, but sc2 has been out for a long time and it hasn't really taken off yet. bw back in its heyday was much more popular among the teenage age group.
on topic, even though i've never watched a single game of pro sc2, it's always sad to see a strong team disband.
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. Truth is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
Bye bye.
I hope they find a sponsor if they stick together, TheSTC/Fin/Vines +2 random masters would already make a good team. Does anyone know why the other teams are not allowed to recruit them?
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. Truth is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
Bye bye.
I hope they find a sponsor if they stick together, TheSTC/Fin/Vines +2 random masters would already make a good team. Does anyone know why the other teams are not allowed to recruit them?
TheWind is going to try and reform the team under a new name, probably try to have a last ditch effort to find a sponsor, and keep the team afloat. With all the contracts now canceled, they're all free agents, but the federation teams made a deal that they won't touch Supernova, ForGG, etc. while TheWind tries to keep his team together.
Slayers is the only Korean team not in the federation and could sign them if they wanted to piss off every Korean team.
Things like this are happening and IDIOTS keep emailing sponsors for whatever is in fashion. It is really sad that such a great team as OGS is unable to secure sponsorship... anyways I hope they find a nice home for all the players...
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. Truth is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
Bye bye.
I hope they find a sponsor if they stick together, TheSTC/Fin/Vines +2 random masters would already make a good team. Does anyone know why the other teams are not allowed to recruit them?
TheWind is going to try and reform the team under a new name, probably try to have a last ditch effort to find a sponsor, and keep the team afloat. With all the contracts now canceled, they're all free agents, but the federation teams made a deal that they won't touch Supernova, ForGG, etc. while TheWind tries to keep his team together.
Slayers is the only Korean team not in the federation and could sign them if they wanted to piss off every Korean team.
Ah I see, they wanted to avoid poaching, makes sense and is a nice move by them!
Really sad that the very first pro team to set foot on SC2 has to suffer a miserable fate like this. oGs, along with Liquid, was my two favorite teams. Seeing them disbanding is just... unbearable .
I hope the oGs players will stick with TheWind and reform quickly. If they can't, then Liquid should just ask Gom for permission to let the oGs players play with them just like the old oGs-TL in GSTL. I think that would be best.
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. Truth is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
edit: I get it, you were being sarcastic.
TBH, I understand why diehard BW fans are upset. I'm a fan of both SC2 and BW and would prefer it if the transition didn't occur. BW deserves to be played competitively for many years to come. It is my favorite game of all time, and a masterpiece.
On May 12 2012 03:10 zefreak wrote: I want to buy an oGs shirt from nadamall while I still can, but I can't figure out how to do it (it is in korean, even the foreign part)
Can anyone help? I need a shirt especially if they are disbanding..
So this was the plan all along... that genius terran....
Really sad news to hear. I'm really heartened though that the other teams have sworn off signing any oGs players, so hopefully this won't bring any more drama with "poaching" players - lord knows we've had enough of it already.
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. True is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
For lack of better words, The hell with "esports". I only care about SC2 and its community.
I know he is just being sarcastic because he heard the same arguments regarding brood war, but I agree. E-Sports isn't what I care about, I care about Starcraft 2 and Brood War. I'm already sad enough to be losing one of these games. E-Sports without starcraft is bullshit.
This is the worst time for this to happen. I am sure they will get re-sponsored, but by who and how much they will have to cut back is a big question. Hopefully this can be like Prime, where they work around this and get beastly again.
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. True is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
For lack of better words, The hell with "esports". I only care about SC2 and its community.
I know he is just being sarcastic because he heard the same arguments regarding brood war, but I agree. E-Sports isn't what I care about, I care about Starcraft 2 and Brood War. I'm already sad enough to be losing one of these games. E-Sports without starcraft is bullshit.
Also I agree, LoL is just plain boring to watch. If thats what esports will become then Im out.
On May 12 2012 03:03 TheBlueMeaner wrote: Things like this are happening and IDIOTS keep emailing sponsors for whatever is in fashion. It is really sad that such a great team as OGS is unable to secure sponsorship... anyways I hope they find a nice home for all the players...
In the wake up other exciting news in the scene, this particular piece of news completely breaks my heart. oGs-TL looked so good back during the days when Huk, Zenio, HerO, NaDa, and MC were all still on the team. The addition of ForGG bolstered the lineup even more, but I'm so saddened to hear these rumors surface.
oGs has been such an integral part of SC2, and it's sad to see their main sponsor abandon them in favor of LoL. Granted, I do like Xenics Storm as a team, especially since YellOw is their coach, but I am so disappointed that their success now means the downfall of one of my favorite SC2 teams.
fuck, im sad . I hope there will be a ogs 2.0 and TL will help them out. Maybe somekind of merging for some time??? Well Gl i hope the players won't be picked up so quickly and the stay loyal
People keep saying there is no money in korea sc2. Are you kidding me? hello kespa. All those guys under kespa will be paid to play sc2 fulltime. why would sponsors deal with organizations less established than kespa who have over a decade of experience in developing and leading "esports"?
On May 12 2012 04:11 GizmoPT wrote: LoL will kill starcraft gg
If anything it could happen that DotA2 will be a flop in some countries, but please.... SC2 is another genre and i don't see why they can't coexist. Just like i wouldn't mind if some shooter or fighting game would be popular.
By the way this deserves to be a community news if true... oGs is kind of THE team if you think about Korean SC2 (only) teams. They kind of suffered many hits lately but this comes surprising to me.
On May 12 2012 04:11 GizmoPT wrote: LoL will kill starcraft gg
If anything it could happen that DotA2 will be a flop in some countries, but please.... SC2 is another genre and i don't see why they can't coexist. Just like i wouldn't mind if some shooter or fighting game would be popular.
By the way this deserves to be a community news if true... oGs is kind of THE team if you think about Korean SC2 (only) teams. They kind of suffered many hits lately but this comes surprising to me.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
On May 12 2012 03:21 FlyingDike wrote: rofl, what if KT signed fOrGG to help with proleague!?
There's no need for that, they won't even need to play the ace match cause they'll win every bw match
Not that important, but I think if you win BW BO3, and lose SC2 BO3, you still have a match up. It is impossible to win only with BW (but can only with SC2 by winning every SC2 BO3 and Ace Match).
On May 12 2012 04:11 GizmoPT wrote: LoL will kill starcraft gg
If anything it could happen that DotA2 will be a flop in some countries, but please.... SC2 is another genre and i don't see why they can't coexist. Just like i wouldn't mind if some shooter or fighting game would be popular.
By the way this deserves to be a community news if true... oGs is kind of THE team if you think about Korean SC2 (only) teams. They kind of suffered many hits lately but this comes surprising to me.
1) eStars Holdings, which sponsored oGs until now, dropped sponsorship at the beginning of May. They will be concentrating on LoL, sponsoring Xenics Storm.
Just because on sponsor dropped a team it doesn't mean anything, does it? Companys can sponsor many teams and it seems like they didn't feel like oGs was a good team to sponsor, not that it necessarily means SC2 is not worth sponsorship. Although in Korea it currently might be, hopefully some of the korean BW fans transfer over.
On May 12 2012 04:11 GizmoPT wrote: LoL will kill starcraft gg
Starcraft 2 stream numbers seem to be holding steady/growing this whole time that "WoW arena pt2" has been gaining popularity. There is no denying LoL gets bigger numbers but why would companies not sponsor both if they see potential returns from both games? One sponsor jumping ship because they decided they want to focus on one game doesn't really say much at this point.
Honestly the best thing for the SC2 esports scene is to go f2p like what LoL is, but then, that won't be good for blizzard because unlike LoL which has ~50 heroes there are only 3 races for SC2, and making money off portraits won't work for them...
If Nada and MC were still on oGs, this probably doesn't happen. Yeah, LoL is big and all, but if your decision is to mainly sponsor either a team headed by Yellow or a team that has lost both it's most marketable players, the choice is pretty easy.
On May 12 2012 04:51 Fionn wrote: If Nada and MC were still on oGs, this probably doesn't happen. Yeah, LoL is big and all, but if your decision is to mainly sponsor either a team headed by Yellow or a team that has lost both it's most marketable players, the choice is pretty easy.
Yeah, but they *were* on oGs and it didn't help. If oGs had got significant sponsorship as a result of them being on the team, they wouldn't have had to leave for foreign teams with less in the way of other players or practice areas but more money.
On May 12 2012 04:51 Diamond wrote: This is going to keep happening, Korean team managers (GOM teams, not the KeSPA ones) are fucking awful at business.
Not sure if true, you gotta keep in mind that so far SC2 isn't (really) popular in Korea...
On May 12 2012 04:51 Diamond wrote: This is going to keep happening, Korean team managers (GOM teams, not the KeSPA ones) are fucking awful at business.
Except IM which probably lands the largest sponsors out of any SC2 team in history.
Doesn't really surprise me. The team has been falling apart for a while. The only player who ever posted good results was MC, and even before he traded teams, he was pretty much falling out of the scene. I loved watching Nada in BW, but he had sub-par results as well. Swapping over to Complexity I'm sure secured him a bit of money, as he wasn't doing well in tournaments.
Really disappointing but kinda expected given that they haven't exactly been a top team lately other than Supernova and to a lesser extend, ForGG. oGs was the first team I actively cheered for so that part makes me sad; not being able to cheer for them anymore.
Hopefully TheWind's plans work out and we get a new and improved team of oGs players. I'm sure he'll be trying to get ForGG to stay with them.
On May 12 2012 03:03 TheBlueMeaner wrote: Things like this are happening and IDIOTS keep emailing sponsors for whatever is in fashion. It is really sad that such a great team as OGS is unable to secure sponsorship... anyways I hope they find a nice home for all the players...
That's far fetched.
Im not saying that its the cause, Im saying that it contributes to this overall situation in general
On May 12 2012 05:57 b0lt wrote: time for sc2 progamers to move on to the newer and more popular game, league of legends
not sure if serious or just bw fan trolling, but LoL is a real shame of esports
Give it time. Was SC2 as good an esport when it first took off as it is today?
At this rate, it'll be a decade before LoL becomes respectable.
Maybe a decade to become respectable by the "elitist" communities. But there are already more than 10 times the players that play LoL than SC2, I would say that Riot has done a pretty good job promoting ESPORTS.
Players like Guardsmanbob net over 20k viewers easily when streaming. Don't count this game out from the ESPORTS-community because it is also helping SC2 to grow in some parts. When people are watching IEM for LoL they might tune in to SC2 and discover this fantastic game and community.
Wow really? This is really sad to be honest. I love oGsforGG and oGsVines. I'd be sad if they didn't stream anymore because of this. What will happen to the oGs-TL house too I wonder? Huk lives in there too if I remember correctly. So would he just move to the Slayers house again?
Well it was kinda obvious something was not right when so many of their players went to other teams. But it's sad. I'm having a hard time getting used to SK.MC.
My favorite team.... I'm sooo sad. I hope that they continue under some other name, I've supported oGs and all of its current and former through thick and thin, and cheered hard when they did surprisingly well in IPL TAC and GSTL. oGs HWAITINGGG
Not surprising that they choose LoL team with Yellow. Good luck for all dx-ogs member, I hope they can somehow continue partnership with TL even with their new team.
Well, that sucks. Combined with MLG killing all the hope for seeing bw pros in any foreign tournaments but theirs and their partners this day isn't really the best for e-sports..
On May 12 2012 05:57 b0lt wrote: time for sc2 progamers to move on to the newer and more popular game, league of legends
not sure if serious or just bw fan trolling, but LoL is a real shame of esports
Give it time. Was SC2 as good an esport when it first took off as it is today?
At this rate, it'll be a decade before LoL becomes respectable.
Maybe a decade to become respectable by the "elitist" communities. But there are already more than 10 times the players that play LoL than SC2, I would say that Riot has done a pretty good job promoting ESPORTS.
Players like Guardsmanbob net over 20k viewers easily when streaming. Don't count this game out from the ESPORTS-community because it is also helping SC2 to grow in some parts. When people are watching IEM for LoL they might tune in to SC2 and discover this fantastic game and community.
No he doesn't. Bob averages about 5k viewers. Dyrus and OddOne used to go above 20k when they were on own3d, since they moved to Twitch it viewership decreased for both of them.
On May 12 2012 05:57 b0lt wrote: time for sc2 progamers to move on to the newer and more popular game, league of legends
not sure if serious or just bw fan trolling, but LoL is a real shame of esports
Give it time. Was SC2 as good an esport when it first took off as it is today?
At this rate, it'll be a decade before LoL becomes respectable.
Maybe a decade to become respectable by the "elitist" communities. But there are already more than 10 times the players that play LoL than SC2, I would say that Riot has done a pretty good job promoting ESPORTS.
Players like Guardsmanbob net over 20k viewers easily when streaming. Don't count this game out from the ESPORTS-community because it is also helping SC2 to grow in some parts. When people are watching IEM for LoL they might tune in to SC2 and discover this fantastic game and community.
I wouldn't say they have done a good job promoting "ESPORTS", LoL has 10 times the players, but the big tournaments get what...2, 2.5 times the viewers of SC2 tournaments? It really seems like LoL tournament streams are more riding the wave of the massive amount of people who play the game and thus happen upon the tourny streams out of curiosity, and not really Riots effots to get people into Esports. Not saying Riot hasn't helped, just that LoL would be getting big numbers regardless.
First of all. what is up with the TL community and making doomsday statements after every news event. Stuff happens, relax a little SC2 will be fine. LoL is a different platform, and I absolutely promise you it's still hard to make money on any e-Sport. Free to play games are even less likely to attract people who will actually pay for content.
News about oGs is sad, but they will regroup and be better for it. It's a shame they are shuttering due to a sponsor leaving but TheWind will pull something off just watch.
On May 12 2012 08:42 Chriscras wrote: Seriously though, does this mean LoL killed esports?
I think you mean more sponsors are willing to sponsor LoL teams due to the insane numbers in viewership (80k-100k+) for large tournaments, and that SC2 can only pull 20% of those numbers. Also, SC2 isn't that popular in korea even versus Brood War. It makes sense for sponsors to spend some money on sponsoring team(s) where the sport pulls in astronomical numbers for an eSport.
On May 12 2012 08:42 Chriscras wrote: Seriously though, does this mean LoL killed esports?
no, the team they decided to sponsor just happens to be one of the biggest. Ogs has simply not been posting results imo. I think they should of created a stronger partnership with liquid but what the hell do i know lol
On May 11 2012 21:48 StarStruck wrote: I wouldn't be too surprised. The SC2 teams lack sponsors.
Not of late. Startale has some sick sponsors, Mvp has some sick sponsors, IM is starting to get some sick sponsors, FXO has quite a bit of money, TSL has been expanding into bigger team houses. Zenex, NShoseo, oGs, and Prime seem to be the only ones struggling atm.
this has been coming for a long time. more and more players left the team, which is never a good sign.
really hurts my heart, but i think the players will find a new home. expect the big foreiner teams to jump on the good ogs players. the not so good ones will probably have a hard time though. ;(
On May 12 2012 08:42 Chriscras wrote: Seriously though, does this mean LoL killed esports?
I think you mean more sponsors are willing to sponsor LoL teams due to the insane numbers in viewership (80k-100k+) for large tournaments, and that SC2 can only pull 20% of those numbers. Also, SC2 isn't that popular in korea even versus Brood War. It makes sense for sponsors to spend some money on sponsoring team(s) where the sport pulls in astronomical numbers for an eSport.
League gets 200k+ concurrent for big events and Sc2 gets around 60-80k for big events. I think sponsors saw how big The Champions was and they want to jump on board.
On May 11 2012 21:48 StarStruck wrote: I wouldn't be too surprised. The SC2 teams lack sponsors.
Not of late. Startale has some sick sponsors, Mvp has some sick sponsors, IM is starting to get some sick sponsors, FXO has quite a bit of money, TSL has been expanding into bigger team houses. Zenex, NShoseo, oGs, and Prime seem to be the only ones struggling atm.
NSHoSeo is backed by a university, as far as I know they're not having any problems. Prime seems to be doing well being it own sponsor (PRIMEZZANG) EDIT: Oh and ZeNEX recently partnered with Legion and now shares their sponsors like Imgur
Oh shut up about LoL vs SC2. Support and watch/play the freaking game you like.
Same to the passive aggressive BW players, maybe if you guys spent more time playing the game Iccup wouldn´t be a desolate wasteland.
Sad new for OGS but understandable since they lost a lot of their marketeable players. Hopefully with SC2 on Korean TV things will pick up more on the SC2 side.
On May 11 2012 21:48 StarStruck wrote: I wouldn't be too surprised. The SC2 teams lack sponsors.
Not of late. Startale has some sick sponsors, Mvp has some sick sponsors, IM is starting to get some sick sponsors, FXO has quite a bit of money, TSL has been expanding into bigger team houses. Zenex, NShoseo, oGs, and Prime seem to be the only ones struggling atm.
Prime is not struggling, they have Tt-esports and some Korean pc company sponsoring them right now. I think startale have more issues that you think, remember just some months ago they couldn't afford to send players overboard (sound to iem etc, even though their own sponsor benQ is one of the IEM sponsors).
On May 11 2012 21:48 StarStruck wrote: I wouldn't be too surprised. The SC2 teams lack sponsors.
Not of late. Startale has some sick sponsors, Mvp has some sick sponsors, IM is starting to get some sick sponsors, FXO has quite a bit of money, TSL has been expanding into bigger team houses. Zenex, NShoseo, oGs, and Prime seem to be the only ones struggling atm.
MVP also just added 3 LoL teams and IM added their own LoL team.
On May 11 2012 21:48 StarStruck wrote: I wouldn't be too surprised. The SC2 teams lack sponsors.
Not of late. Startale has some sick sponsors, Mvp has some sick sponsors, IM is starting to get some sick sponsors, FXO has quite a bit of money, TSL has been expanding into bigger team houses. Zenex, NShoseo, oGs, and Prime seem to be the only ones struggling atm.
MVP also just added 3 LoL teams and IM added their own LoL team.
On May 11 2012 21:48 StarStruck wrote: I wouldn't be too surprised. The SC2 teams lack sponsors.
Not of late. Startale has some sick sponsors, Mvp has some sick sponsors, IM is starting to get some sick sponsors, FXO has quite a bit of money, TSL has been expanding into bigger team houses. Zenex, NShoseo, oGs, and Prime seem to be the only ones struggling atm.
MVP also just added 3 LoL teams and IM added their own LoL team.
I ordered no such rain on this parade.
TheWind was also scouting for a LoL team too, too bad the team is about to be disbanded.
It's really sad, but kind of understandable. oGs hasn't had anyone do really good in GSL except supernova and he left, also they never did that well in the GSTL. It sucks because they were my favorite Korean team.
well since the players arent allowed to find new teams hopefully that means that they are just going to disband and find new management and what not and come back... Crazy how zenex is going to survive longer than ogs if not the case ;;;;;;
such sad news I always cheered for ogs because it was one of the first teams I heard of and that they were made up of old bw players, in addition to their closeness with liquid, I loved them even more. I hope they dont disband though and all the players stay together. While it would be interesting if liquid could absorb them, I dont think they could support such a large roster and I want liquid to still stay as a foreign team. hopefully they come back with some new sponsors and new up and coming players. Maybe MC return to the new 'ogs' team?
I really hope that Liquid can give some least amount of help to oGs. After all they been through together, I believe oGs deserve some help. I thought oGs and Liquid were brother team!
As usual the hypocrisy of some of the sc2 community is hilarious, and some of the trolling by the mods was excellent, but nevertheless it is always sad to see sponsors disappearing and to see teams go. Hopefully all will work out, but ultimately who knows.
I'm not sure if it's a wise decision to agree that no team would sign any player from oGs. Obviously, that benefits the team management, but it leaves the players in an unfortunate situation where they have an uncertain future, living arrangement, pay, etc. Trying to coerce the players to stay together in a team that might fail later even if they find a temporary solution isn't fair. The players deserve the right to start negotiating with other teams in order to look out for their own future and well being.
Really sad to see this even if I guess it was somewhat expected to happen sooner or later with the recent fall offs.. I really hope their new initiative, if it indeed happens, will be successfull.
LoL is taking over, Blizzard getting into bed with Kespa and HOTS won't stop the decline of SC2. Diablo 3 will totally remove the casual gamer and DOTA 2 will crush this game and take all the competitive gamers. Even Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu cannot save SC2.
this is extremely huge deal.... sigh.... LoL will fall sooner or later and this sponsor will regret it. I shall remember this sponsor and never support it in the future until they apologize and start supporting sc again
Hmmm, interesting. Very 'core' team to disband I guess. If it's true it's kind of interesting. What will happen to the tl guys? Will they get their own house? Which sounds like the beginning of the end to me haha. Or another partnership? And I'm also very interested to see if any of the bw teams sign a sc2 player. Forgg would be a natural choice i guess.
Not sure this has to be such a bad thing, although i like ogs. Very interesting, guess we just have to wait and see.
Well not only SC2, but RTS games in general are all suffering from a major shift in game sense. Before 2010, WC3, BW and C&C, some of the most prestigious RTS games, were still very famous and have huge fanbases as well as many tournaments. But when MOBA games, in particular Dota, gained more fame, the majority of RTS gamers also shifted to them because it's easier to play, and easier to make money from them. Now SC2 are suffering the same decline while Lol is rising at a very fast pace. If this trend continue, the end of RTS games are near, and I would NEVER want that to happen
I didn't realize eStars Holdings was such a central sponsor. I thought oGs had tons of other sponsors. They had like Razer and MSI, Corsair, and then some local Korean sponsors like Mom's Touch chicken and a online poker site. They were the top 4 in the most well off teams in my impressions.
Hope this is untrue! I loved supporting oGsMC and the Tri-Team of oGsSupernova, TOP, and Ensnare making a posse through the early GSL days. End of an era? I hope not.
I hope they can work something out together with their remaining sponsors such as TheHandsomeNerd and also with TL. Always a shame to see well-known teams go like that.
Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
I know that. But they are free agents. It shouldn't cost TL as much because of that. Only problem would be the players accepting a wage cut.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
I know that. But they are free agents. It shouldn't cost TL as much because of that. Only problem would be the players accepting a wage cut.
EDIT: It's nice to be optimistic though ^^;
Wait have they actually disbanded? I thought we're still in the rumors phase.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
I know that. But they are free agents. It shouldn't cost TL as much because of that. Only problem would be the players accepting a wage cut.
EDIT: It's nice to be optimistic though ^^;
Sure, ForGG, SuperNova and TheStC would have no problems finding a team that pays them what they deserver, so its not like TL could get them nearly for free. lol
I hope they don't join Foreign Teams. Already way too many koreans on foreign teams.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
Supernova has already left oGs hasn't he?
I don't think so. He changed his Twitter account maybe because oGs is kinda disbanded already, so he doesn't want to use that tag anymore (This is just my speculation though)
Their main sponsor decided to sponsor some league of legends team instead so unless they get another big sponser sponsering them really quickly I am pretty sure they will dispand, if they havn't already.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
I know that. But they are free agents. It shouldn't cost TL as much because of that. Only problem would be the players accepting a wage cut.
EDIT: It's nice to be optimistic though ^^;
It costs a lot to run a team man. It's not as simple as you might think.
On May 12 2012 23:20 Lazzi wrote: Where will liquid's player in Korea live if oGs disband?
Well I'm sure they still have the house for a while. If oGs players reunite under a new banner, chances are pretty high liquid players will live in the same house, if not maybe new tl house in kr.
On May 12 2012 21:07 tehn00bie wrote: Team Liquid isn't part of this federation! Surely they could use a bigger roster for the GSTL? This would be perfect opportunity for them. Just as Quantic did to VILE. TL should take in the oGs players as the oGs players took in the liquid ones way back I'd love to see all the oGs players join Liquid and compete in the GSTL again together!
Picking up Vile is a lot different than picking up a team with Supernova, ForGG, and TheStC.
I know that. But they are free agents. It shouldn't cost TL as much because of that. Only problem would be the players accepting a wage cut.
EDIT: It's nice to be optimistic though ^^;
It costs a lot to run a team man. It's not as simple as you might think.
On the other hand, Liquid' may already bear some of the cost to live on the oGs house, and koreans are barely even paid at all. But one could say they already picked up enough of them.
On May 12 2012 01:02 TORTOISE wrote: I cuold see the same shit happening to SlayerS. everyone stole their talent but they remain with some highly skilled players.
imagine if taeja/ganzi didnt leave and slayers merged with ogs
the ultimate terran house.... supernova top thestc ganzi taeja mma ryung boxer
On May 12 2012 01:02 TORTOISE wrote: I cuold see the same shit happening to SlayerS. everyone stole their talent but they remain with some highly skilled players.
People voluntarily leaving a team because they wanted to experience the foreign scene = everyone stealing them from slayers? Grow up.
You guys do realize that Slayers took Coca, Puzzle, and Taeja from ZeNex, right? And I believe Ganzi was sorta somewhat on IM before he joined Slayers?
On May 13 2012 03:42 Fionn wrote: You guys do realize that Slayers took Coca, Puzzle, and Taeja from ZeNex, right? And I believe Ganzi was sorta somewhat on IM before he joined Slayers?
Slayers basically used ZeNex for their farm team.
and yet ZeNex still will (most likely) outlive oGs, sad day indeed. Wonder what this means for IPL TAC, they already had to replace Vile
On May 13 2012 03:42 Fionn wrote: You guys do realize that Slayers took Coca, Puzzle, and Taeja from ZeNex, right? And I believe Ganzi was sorta somewhat on IM before he joined Slayers?
Slayers basically used ZeNex for their farm team.
I still remember that awkward/awesome moment when Taeja allkilled Zenex in the team league couple days after he joined Slayers.
On May 13 2012 03:42 Fionn wrote: You guys do realize that Slayers took Coca, Puzzle, and Taeja from ZeNex, right? And I believe Ganzi was sorta somewhat on IM before he joined Slayers?
Slayers basically used ZeNex for their farm team.
GanZi left IM and was teamless for awhile before he joined/got recruited to SlayerS. TaeJa jumped ship, long before anyone knew who he was beyond getting peaced by FD in the first round of GSL Open.
Well this is just sad, easily the most likable team during beta and near release. Will never be able to buy one a jacket with one of their nifty logos :<
Now some of you SC2 people are getting an idea of what BW fans felt when the rumours started plopping in about teams that we loved would disband (mostly due to a new and shiny game that we all deemed inferior, yet got all the money).
On May 13 2012 13:37 Holgerius wrote: Now some of you SC2 people are getting an idea of what BW fans felt when the rumours started plopping in about teams that we loved would disband (mostly due to a new and shiny game that we all deemed inferior, yet got all the money).
Now, now, don't forget the sh!t SaviOr brought with him. though that is the problem with E-sports if you can even call it that. Games will be replaced constantly by other games and one generation will look different at games then another pref generation, how will we ever have stability or sport history ?
I am getting more worried about these romours as not anyone in TL has responded here, had this been nothing of a truth would not have Nazgul already explained something ?
I don't want to start any rumors but does anyone know why on Maka's stream overlay it has a logo for Absolute Legends and then one for oGs underneath it? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding / am unaware of something.
On May 13 2012 15:01 Brotatolol wrote: I don't want to start any rumors but does anyone know why on Maka's stream overlay it has a logo for Absolute Legends and then one for oGs underneath it? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding / am unaware of something.
On May 13 2012 15:01 Brotatolol wrote: I don't want to start any rumors but does anyone know why on Maka's stream overlay it has a logo for Absolute Legends and then one for oGs underneath it? Sorry if I'm misunderstanding / am unaware of something.
eSahara had a partnership with oGs and then eSahara became Absolute Legends. I imagine the deal just carried over.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova and MC both have incredibly good late game... do they cheese? Yes, but what pro doesn't? Gotta play to win. You don't have to like a team, but wishing for one to disband only hurts Korean scene even more which atm isn't as popular.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
Sad to hear if it's true. I hope oGs gets back on its feet they are a truly legendary team and have been such a big help to Liquid and the foreign community.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
Hmm.. I actually wouldn't consider either of them that "cheesy." That said, I hope oGs finds a way to stay together. They are one of my favorite teams
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
If supernova is cheesy I guess MVP is cheesy as well? Lol. Besides, MC engineered most of the famous toss timing attacks. He also had one of the strongest late games as toss for a long time. It's one thing to play the race, it's another to invent what everyone else plays in his wake. Unless being abusive is cheesy too, but then I guess anything that wins is cheesy.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
With the current state of TvP I'm not surprised if you see people doing early aggression or "cheese"
This is horrible news, sad to hear and I hope the team a players find the team and sponsors they deserve. They we're always the team "destined" to win the GSTL for me, they had such a strong line-up about half a year ago playing for them, NaDa, HerO, TOP, SuperNoVa, MC, Zenio and Fin to name a few.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
Bullshit. SuperNova is the guy who beat Genius 2-0 in the Ro16 by using lategame Nukes and multi-pronged harassment. There are Terran players who do just cheese all the time, but SuperNova is not one of them. You are talking out of your ass.
On May 11 2012 21:52 T0F4sT wrote: sad to see TL ''killing'' oGs by buying the top players.
Hero was pretty much unknown when he was picked up, more significant players left aswell that lead the team before..
Though he was probably known as their talent already then, just that he was nervous in tournaments etc. Not saying that T0F4sT is right, though, just pointing out that it's not likely he just suddenly got good when joinin liquid (afterall they reqruited him because the liquid players in the oGs house recommended him).
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
Bullshit. SuperNova is the guy who beat Genius 2-0 in the Ro16 by using lategame Nukes and multi-pronged harassment. There are Terran players who do just cheese all the time, but SuperNova is not one of them. You are talking out of your ass.
yeah, he did beat genius in macro game, this means he always playing macro TvP.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
With the current state of TvP I'm not surprised if you see people doing early aggression or "cheese"
Amen, people complained when MVP 'cheesed' nani and hero out of the GSL, but the protoss metagame just got a bit too greedy and it was punished.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
Bullshit. SuperNova is the guy who beat Genius 2-0 in the Ro16 by using lategame Nukes and multi-pronged harassment. There are Terran players who do just cheese all the time, but SuperNova is not one of them. You are talking out of your ass.
Yeah and MC do a lot of timing attacks and allins, but he is not cheesy.
On May 13 2012 15:38 usethis2 wrote: oGs is the least favorite team of mine. Constantly produce cheesy players (Supernova, Inca, MC, to name a few). Glad that they are disbanding.
Supernova isn't cheesy? I would somewhat agree MC is cheesy (more timingattacky than anything), but Supernova is totally legit.
nope.
SuperNoVa is cheesy as MC and his TvP games are cheesefest.
Bullshit. SuperNova is the guy who beat Genius 2-0 in the Ro16 by using lategame Nukes and multi-pronged harassment. There are Terran players who do just cheese all the time, but SuperNova is not one of them. You are talking out of your ass.
yeah, he did beat genius in macro game, this means he always playing macro TvP.
seems legit.
It's pretty legit. Supernova has had strong TvP for a very long time. But if you cheese once then I guess you're a cheesy Terran, and all of your hard work is discredited in one poorly grammaticized sentence by a disgruntled fan.
Wow the members of e-sports federation aren't signing them either? there's something going on outside of sponsorships it looks like....
In other news I'm really sad about this type of thing. Teams dying in SC2 is never a good sign, especially when this one was partnered loosely with Team Liquid for so long and Supernova starting to really look strong.
On May 14 2012 11:49 las91 wrote: Wow the members of e-sports federation aren't signing them either? there's something going on outside of sponsorships it looks like....
In other news I'm really sad about this type of thing. Teams dying in SC2 is never a good sign, especially when this one was partnered loosely with Team Liquid for so long and Supernova starting to really look strong.
They want to give them a chance to try and sort something out. It's a self preservation thing for all the other teams as well anyway. They show this gesture of goodwill and solidarity now on the basis that if they ever find themselves in a similar situation, they will hope that other teams will respect them enough to not steal players while they are weak.
On May 15 2012 09:03 Koshi wrote: This doesn't look good for GOM either.
Why? All reports I've seen say that GOM is doing better than ever. Just because a team that lost it's two biggest stars lost it's main sponsor speaks nothing about GOM or how well it's doing. Even without oGs, they have eleven teams in the GSTL and could probably get a 12th if need be.
On May 15 2012 09:03 Koshi wrote: This doesn't look good for GOM either.
Why? All reports I've seen say that GOM is doing better than ever. Just because a team that lost it's two biggest stars lost it's main sponsor speaks nothing about GOM or how well it's doing. Even without oGs, they have eleven teams in the GSTL and could probably get a 12th if need be.
Well, you know much more than me, and I am glad you corrected me. Because I like GOM and their product. I was just thinking, the Korean SCII market is looking so shaky, great players moving away, uncertainty. A league should be able to keep it's second most famous team from the old days. It is probably nothing but, I think a lot of these Koreans might switch leagues to play with their childhood heroes. Kespa is probably a dream for them, or some of them.
I would be surpriced if there won't be a rivalry between GOM and Kespa. Kespa just got a victory with signing MLG. This looks like a blow for GOM. A lot of foreigners really like OGS, myself included. Luckily for GOM the level of play is 3 times higher in the GSL. But when the old bw pros catch up, 1 league is going to fall I think.
But I am rather uninformed about this. Just me thinking.
Geez, that doesn't sound good. Definitely reflects the trend in S. Korea away from SC2 towards LoL. Gonna miss that team though, them and TL were probably the first two teams I watched /:
On May 15 2012 09:03 Koshi wrote: This doesn't look good for GOM either.
Why? All reports I've seen say that GOM is doing better than ever. Just because a team that lost it's two biggest stars lost it's main sponsor speaks nothing about GOM or how well it's doing. Even without oGs, they have eleven teams in the GSTL and could probably get a 12th if need be.
It is probably nothing but, I think a lot of these Koreans might switch leagues to play with their childhood heroes. Kespa is probably a dream for them, or some of them.
I don't know; I remember some pro-gamers and coaches saying how much more they liked the freedom of not being under Kespa. If the MLG exclusivity deal is true, they might prefer to go to other events like IPL or Dreamhack.
I would be surpriced if there won't be a rivalry between GOM and Kespa. Kespa just got a victory with signing MLG. This looks like a blow for GOM. A lot of foreigners really like OGS, myself included. Luckily for GOM the level of play is 3 times higher in the GSL. But when the old bw pros catch up, 1 league is going to fall I think.
I don't think that it's that big a blow for GOM. They have a deal with IPL and will hold a GSL finals at IPL5. It's not like players who play in the GSL will be banned from playing in MLGs or anything, either. GOM's also got Tastosis; I'm not sure who Kespa can get for English casters who have the same kind of fanbase. GOM'll probably be fine, I'm not worried about them.
On May 15 2012 09:03 Koshi wrote: This doesn't look good for GOM either.
Why? All reports I've seen say that GOM is doing better than ever. Just because a team that lost it's two biggest stars lost it's main sponsor speaks nothing about GOM or how well it's doing. Even without oGs, they have eleven teams in the GSTL and could probably get a 12th if need be.
Well, you know much more than me, and I am glad you corrected me. Because I like GOM and their product. I was just thinking, the Korean SCII market is looking so shaky, great players moving away, uncertainty. A league should be able to keep it's second most famous team from the old days. It is probably nothing but, I think a lot of these Koreans might switch leagues to play with their childhood heroes. Kespa is probably a dream for them, or some of them.
I would be surpriced if there won't be a rivalry between GOM and Kespa. Kespa just got a victory with signing MLG. This looks like a blow for GOM. A lot of foreigners really like OGS, myself included. Luckily for GOM the level of play is 3 times higher in the GSL. But when the old bw pros catch up, 1 league is going to fall I think.
But I am rather uninformed about this. Just me thinking.
Have not met a single person that ever had anything to do with KeSPA that would describe anything related to SC1 progaming as 'a dream'.
SC1 teams literally have one of the most insanely hardcore practice regimens in anything ever =.=
On May 15 2012 09:03 Koshi wrote: This doesn't look good for GOM either.
Why? All reports I've seen say that GOM is doing better than ever. Just because a team that lost it's two biggest stars lost it's main sponsor speaks nothing about GOM or how well it's doing. Even without oGs, they have eleven teams in the GSTL and could probably get a 12th if need be.
Well, you know much more than me, and I am glad you corrected me. Because I like GOM and their product. I was just thinking, the Korean SCII market is looking so shaky, great players moving away, uncertainty. A league should be able to keep it's second most famous team from the old days. It is probably nothing but, I think a lot of these Koreans might switch leagues to play with their childhood heroes. Kespa is probably a dream for them, or some of them.
I would be surpriced if there won't be a rivalry between GOM and Kespa. Kespa just got a victory with signing MLG. This looks like a blow for GOM. A lot of foreigners really like OGS, myself included. Luckily for GOM the level of play is 3 times higher in the GSL. But when the old bw pros catch up, 1 league is going to fall I think.
But I am rather uninformed about this. Just me thinking.
Have not met a single person that ever had anything to do with KeSPA that would describe anything related to SC1 progaming as 'a dream'.
SC1 teams literally have one of the most insanely hardcore practice regimens in anything ever =.=
"@Square_Zero: What was your toughest game as a progamer?
A : I can't give you a specific game. There was a period when I had a very tough time, though. I didn't even wanna go to the stadium. It was when we had the red uniforms. Our team was under-performing so we all shaved our heads. We dragged our feet to our matches and were barely able to play through the games."
On May 13 2012 13:37 Holgerius wrote: Now some of you SC2 people are getting an idea of what BW fans felt when the rumours started plopping in about teams that we loved would disband (mostly due to a new and shiny game that we all deemed inferior, yet got all the money).
Now, now, don't forget the sh!t SaviOr brought with him. though that is the problem with E-sports if you can even call it that. Games will be replaced constantly by other games and one generation will look different at games then another pref generation, how will we ever have stability or sport history ?
I am getting more worried about these romours as not anyone in TL has responded here, had this been nothing of a truth would not have Nazgul already explained something ?
It would be nice to have stability and all but I don`t get arguments like "oh, they're switching to a new game, this is why esports will never work".
Do you see anyone switching from soccer to the new sport I invented called astroball? No. Why is that? It's because soccer is huge. Millions of people make a living off it, up to the billions watch it. What about smaller sports? Hockey? Curling? Lacrosse? All many orders of magnitude larger than any esport (yes, including BW). And it wasn't even SC2 that killed BW, it was more casual games and declining interest.
When esports get to the same order of size as regular sports we can start talking about having the same longevity as regular sports.
On May 13 2012 13:37 Holgerius wrote: Now some of you SC2 people are getting an idea of what BW fans felt when the rumours started plopping in about teams that we loved would disband (mostly due to a new and shiny game that we all deemed inferior, yet got all the money).
Now, now, don't forget the sh!t SaviOr brought with him. though that is the problem with E-sports if you can even call it that. Games will be replaced constantly by other games and one generation will look different at games then another pref generation, how will we ever have stability or sport history ?
I am getting more worried about these romours as not anyone in TL has responded here, had this been nothing of a truth would not have Nazgul already explained something ?
It would be nice to have stability and all but I don`t get arguments like "oh, they're switching to a new game, this is why esports will never work".
Do you see anyone switching from soccer to the new sport I invented called astroball? No. Why is that? It's because soccer is huge. Millions of people make a living off it, up to the billions watch it. What about smaller sports? Hockey? Curling? Lacrosse? All many orders of magnitude larger than any esport (yes, including BW). And it wasn't even SC2 that killed BW, it was more casual games and declining interest.
When esports get to the same order of size as regular sports we can start talking about having the same longevity as regular sports.
Or when you switch to a game that keeps the core mechanics of the original...
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. True is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
I don't care about esports if I can't watch the game I love.
That's like telling a soccer/football fan that their sport isn't popular enough anymore, but they should adopt American football to support 'sports.'
But then the sc2 fanboys comes to the bw forum to say that we must support "sc2" (despite be a inferior game with deathballs fighting) because it is ESPORTS.
On May 13 2012 13:37 Holgerius wrote: Now some of you SC2 people are getting an idea of what BW fans felt when the rumours started plopping in about teams that we loved would disband (mostly due to a new and shiny game that we all deemed inferior, yet got all the money).
Now, now, don't forget the sh!t SaviOr brought with him. though that is the problem with E-sports if you can even call it that. Games will be replaced constantly by other games and one generation will look different at games then another pref generation, how will we ever have stability or sport history ?
I am getting more worried about these romours as not anyone in TL has responded here, had this been nothing of a truth would not have Nazgul already explained something ?
It would be nice to have stability and all but I don`t get arguments like "oh, they're switching to a new game, this is why esports will never work".
Do you see anyone switching from soccer to the new sport I invented called astroball? No. Why is that? It's because soccer is huge. Millions of people make a living off it, up to the billions watch it. What about smaller sports? Hockey? Curling? Lacrosse? All many orders of magnitude larger than any esport (yes, including BW). And it wasn't even SC2 that killed BW, it was more casual games and declining interest.
When esports get to the same order of size as regular sports we can start talking about having the same longevity as regular sports.
It will never get anywhere near the size of regular sports. Current kind of esports is just a convenient marketing scheme for developers and hardware manufacturers, as well as a few people running/managing teams that jump on the bandwagon.
On May 12 2012 00:16 Scarecrow wrote: Sad to see a casual game like LoL taking sponsorship priority over a team like oGs
LoL is a new game! give it some time to develop and become competitive like DotA!
Also, I don't see why people have to bash LoL over SC2, can't we enjoy both?
Because if LoL and Dota 2 take off its pretty much the death of SC2 (or atleast long load times) lol
It's time to move on. True is money is in LoL right now, and we should support ESPORTS.
I don't care about esports if I can't watch the game I love.
That's like telling a soccer/football fan that their sport isn't popular enough anymore, but they should adopt American football to support 'sports.'
But then the sc2 fanboys say to bw fans that we must support "sc2" (despite be a inferior game with deathballs fighting) because it is ESPORTS.
I don't give two shits if you support sc2 or not as a bw fan. Don't lump everyone in with a few idiots.
They are a lot, and quite annoying.
Yeah, must be approximately as many as bw elitists that post on sc2 forums only to bash the game, a lot and quite annoying.
If you say for me, no, im not a elitist. I have more posts in sc2 forum, I have watched more sc2 games than bw games and I use to watch MLG and GSL almost complete. sc2 is the second better esport for me.
But lot of people come to the bw forums spamming "Starcraft2 is ESPORTS and BroodWar is the past, Support it", you could say the same with LoL...
It's very difficult for Korean pro teams in sc2 to find large sponsors, this is why I support LG-IM all the way and hope if their players win more championships this year, more major sponsors will start signing the current sc2 teams.
Imagine if MVP wins this GSL after LG has just recently sponsored them, LG's competitors will see this and possibly decide to invest as well. I think this season's GSL final is a pretty big deal just for the well being of sc2 scene.
Without larger sponsors, it's more likely for a team's top tier players (like MC) to change teams and it's always very sad to see an original sc2 scene team like oGs to disband due to financial problems.
I'm sure oGsTheWind is a very hard working coach and hope things work out for him in the future.
Well, if oGs is truly dropped and the players aren't gonna try to get the band back together, I hope they let the Federation teams have a chance to sign their players. Would suck to see Slayers and foreign teams grab Supernova, etc. without the others having a chance to negotiate.
You guys it's confirmed. If someone wants they can translate the following article that says that Coach Park Sang-Ik confirmed the disbanding in a call. The official statement is soon to be released.
[OSEN=고용준 기자] 스타크래프트2 리그서 명문 게임단 중 하나인 oGs가 전격적으로 해체됐다. 박상익 감독의 지휘 하에 지난 2010년 9월 GSL 오픈시즌1을 시작으로 이윤열 장민철 박지수 등 대표게이머들을 배출했던 oGs는 해체라는 최악의 결과를 받아들여야 했다.
oGs 박상익 감독은 지난 14일 밤 OSEN과 전화통화에서 해체를 인정했다. 박 감독은 거취가 정리되는 대로 조만간 공식 발표를 하겠다고 입장을 정리했다. 박 감독은 "선수들을 모아 운영하기 위해 백방으로 수소문했지만 선수들이 해외팀 이적을 희망하면서 팀의 해체를 결정했다"고 말했다.
이미 지난달 말부터 해체설이 떠돌았던 oGs는 운영주체인 e스포츠 마케팅 기업 e스타즈 홀딩스가 지난 11일 운영 포기를 선언하면서 해체 수순을 밟아왔다. e스타즈 홀딩스는 4월 게임단 운영비를 마지막으로 지급하면서 oGs에 대한 지원을 중단했다.
장민철과 이윤열이 몸담으면서 스타크래프트2리그서 명문게임단 반열에 올라있던 oGS는 그동안 맘스터치, 커세어, 레이저 등에서 후원을 받아왔다.
업계 관계자에 따르면 e스타즈 홀딩스는 oGs 운영을 포기하면서 지난 2월 창단한 홍진호 감독이 지휘하고 있는 리그 오브 레전드 팀인 제닉스 스톰 운영에 총력을 다하기로 방향을 정했다고. 이 관계자는 oGs 운영포기와 관련해 자금 부족이 실제적인 이유라고 전했다.
oGs 해체 소식과 관련해 다른 관계자는 "스타크래프트1 리그가 2를 병행하면서 생기게 될 시너지 효과에 찬물을 끼얹을까바 우려된다"고 안타까움을 드러냈다.
Hopefully this means the federation can now talk to the players. If TSL could add TheStC, ForGG, or Supernova, alongside Polt/Symbol, they could actually be a top team again. Also I would be shocked if one of those three don't end up on Slayers or maybe even two.
Goodbye, oGs. Your silver/black jerseys and swag jackets were awesome.
That's tough... And I remember back when they were one of the 2 teams favoured to win the GSTL back in Feb 2011 =/ Admittedly I was rooting for IM at the time, but nonetheless, it's still sad to see a team disband..
Oh how the mighty have fallen. I will miss the memories that oGs have given me. They are truly a historic SC2 team, fostering the likes of Fruitdealer, Tester, MC, NaDa, and many of Teamliquid and one point or another in addition to their current roster. Sad to see it disband, and I find it ironic that Zenex seems to be surviving longer than oGs.
I hope they find a way to stabilize and rejoin, or at least join other very good teams. Especially for ForGG.
On May 16 2012 03:19 S_SienZ wrote: Isn't HuK living with SlayerS? Or he's just visiting?
he was living in the oGs house
I believe HuK used to live in oGs but moved out when he transferred to EG. After his move to EG, I think he was staying with SlayerS for a while, but I'm not sure for how long.
I wouldn't be surprised if HuK and MC lived together. I have no information to lead me to this conclusion, but I do think they'd be cute together.
On May 16 2012 03:19 S_SienZ wrote: Isn't HuK living with SlayerS? Or he's just visiting?
he was living in the oGs house
I believe HuK used to live in oGs but moved out when he transferred to EG. After his move to EG, I think he was staying with SlayerS for a while, but I'm not sure for how long.
I wouldn't be surprised if HuK and MC lived together. I have no information to lead me to this conclusion, but I do think they'd be cute together.
Huk was in the SlayerS house for a short time, but he rather live in the oGs house and he returned there.
SlayerS can potentially gobble up some players though if they have a mind to since they aren't on the SC2 committee and don't have to abide by the "no touch" rule.
On May 16 2012 05:38 babylon wrote: I hope they reform.
SlayerS can potentially gobble up some players though if they have a mind to since they aren't on the SC2 committee and don't have to abide by the "no touch" rule.
On May 16 2012 03:19 S_SienZ wrote: Isn't HuK living with SlayerS? Or he's just visiting?
he was living in the oGs house
I believe HuK used to live in oGs but moved out when he transferred to EG. After his move to EG, I think he was staying with SlayerS for a while, but I'm not sure for how long.
I wouldn't be surprised if HuK and MC lived together. I have no information to lead me to this conclusion, but I do think they'd be cute together.
He lived in the oGs house during most of his time with EG due to some rules in the SlayerS house that he didn't like, or something along those lines.
On May 16 2012 05:38 babylon wrote: I hope they reform.
SlayerS can potentially gobble up some players though if they have a mind to since they aren't on the SC2 committee and don't have to abide by the "no touch" rule.
What exactly is the "no touch" rule?
During the time in which theWind was trying to reform oGs (which may or may not have been up already) all players in the SC2 committee agreed to not sign any oGs players
can the OP be updated to include any recent developments and sources on the oGs disbanding/reforming? other than a few tweets from community members i haven't found any official statement anywhere =\
On May 16 2012 06:45 fenrysk wrote: can the OP be updated to include any recent developments and sources on the oGs disbanding/reforming? other than a few tweets from community members i haven't found any official statement anywhere =\
I don't think TheWind or Spunky have released anything yet, but i may be wrong. Havent seen anything :/
This is so sad, its like the end of an era. The team is was very different to the Ensnare, TheSTC and of course MC team that killed in 2010/early 2011 but it was still the original best SC2 team
. I hope all the players can find new teams. Hopefully Korean, but I wouldn't be surprised if SuperNoVa and ForGG ended up on big foreign teams, and some other guys on smaller teams.
And what about Jinro, Haypro, TLO and Huk. Imagine TLO got off a plane to find he has nowhere to live.
On May 16 2012 12:46 Eufouria wrote: This is so sad, its like the end of an era. The team is was very different to the Ensnare, TheSTC and of course MC team that killed in 2010/early 2011 but it was still the original best SC2 team
. I hope all the players can find new teams. Hopefully Korean, but I wouldn't be surprised if SuperNoVa and ForGG ended up on big foreign teams, and some other guys on smaller teams.
And what about Jinro, Haypro, TLO and Huk. Imagine TLO got off a plane to find he has nowhere to live.
TL knew about this for a while they already found a new house for liquid guys
yes, can we please get this edited to OP with translations when available?
on the confirmation of the news itself, i'm sad to see it happen MC and Nada's early SC2 careers with oGs was part of what i kinda grew up with when i got into esports, and also theSTC and Supernova being mainstays of Code S during 2011. I really enjoy ForGG's stream and i hope he'll keep streaming best of luck to all affected parties
wow I still can't believe they disbanded. All those sponsors badges on their shirts tied to that one sponsor that left them or what? They had tons more sponsors than Zenex, a team that had zero and zenex lives to this day.
On May 16 2012 13:04 RaiKageRyu wrote: wow I still can't believe they disbanded. All those sponsors badges on their shirts tied to that one sponsor that left them or what? They had tons more sponsors than Zenex, a team that had zero and zenex lives to this day.
I think ZeNex players stay at their own homes, etc. and practice from there. I don't think they're still in their gaming house, but I might be wrong. oGs has a lot more high profile players than ZeNex and were living in a gaming house. I'm sure they could reform as a new unit and practice from home, but TheStC, Supernova, ForGG, etc. could get offers from other Korean teams and be in a more stable team.
On May 16 2012 13:04 RaiKageRyu wrote: wow I still can't believe they disbanded. All those sponsors badges on their shirts tied to that one sponsor that left them or what? They had tons more sponsors than Zenex, a team that had zero and zenex lives to this day.
I think ZeNex players stay at their own homes, etc. and practice from there. I don't think they're still in their gaming house, but I might be wrong. oGs has a lot more high profile players than ZeNex and were living in a gaming house. I'm sure they could reform as a new unit and practice from home, but TheStC, Supernova, ForGG, etc. could get offers from other Korean teams and be in a more stable team.
Zenex still has a gaming house. But its the smallest of the gaming houses in Korea. Smaller than primes by a bit.
Sad to see oGs go. I hope they can find a solution, even though it may involve merging with another struggling team to make an entirely new team. With TL going back to Korea in force this is a whole mess. oGs always gave Liquid some sort of stability in Korea. Hoping for the best.
On May 16 2012 13:59 RezChi wrote: I have a feeling Teamliquid might pick up some more oGs players Or they go to Korean proleague teams
Well some of the major Korean teams have agreed not to sign any of them yet. Though I noticed SlayerS is not in that group, so who knows if they might do something or any foreign team for that matter. I hope Fin and Vines still stream though I'll miss them dearly if they don't.
On May 16 2012 13:43 mrRoflpwn wrote: NOOOOOOOO! Why is life so cruel! These guys have one of the strongest lineups- i dont understand why their sponsorship dropped
To get better bang for their buck by sponsoring a tremendously popular LoL team? Wonder if the BW teams will restructure their sponsorships with the transition. Seems like they would attract/retain the bigger sponsors in Korea anyhow.
I'd really like to hear official statements from the following:
TheWind Spunky Nazgul
The fact that Liquid has been so quiet about their Korean brother makes me think that they're hard at work, negotiating contracts with some of the oGs players.
There's no way liquid can afford all those players, but I wouldn't be surprised to see one or two join TL. This is a sad day, and it underscores the ever changing landscape of e-sports today. Specifically, we are so dependent on sponsors, and sponsors can cut the ropes at any time or move on to a game like LoL.
Not intending to offend anyone, but i kinda knew this would happen to oGs
1. SC2 sponsors in Korea are still "chicken farms" 2. The only REAL name that has a lot of success (even today) and remains a TOP TOP player is MC. Once he left...even if big names remained in oGs, they didn't perform so much as to see their clantag everywere (like other teams) which means no sponsors (not even chicken farms). MC was the backbone of that team. 3. Cookies 4. ... 5. No Profit$$
Again no intend to offend, it's just how i felt ever since i saw the "SK-MC" bomb droped some time ago.
I really wish the best for all the members of oGs, if this disband actually happens. A clantag doesn't make the team...the players do. Even if they merge or form under another name, i am sure things will pick up again for them!
It's as if the government said, "hey, let's not support the army, we'll invest in the Womens Auxiliary Baloon Corps." As unsavory as thay are, I do share some sentiments concerning LOL with "Totoro Hren".
On May 16 2012 17:48 Sanhadrian wrote: This is ill news indeed.
It's as if the government said, "hey, let's not support the army, we'll invest in the Womens Auxiliary Baloon Corps." As unsavory as thay are, I do share some sentiments concerning LOL with "Totoro Hren".
I love you for throwing a Blackadder reference in there.
On topic, it seems like this was coming for a while now. All their big names were leaving over the last few months, and all that was left were players of the calibre of Vines.
Let's not be all worked up because one sponsor dropped oGs for a LoL team.
There are still sponsors out there that are willing to support a starcraft 2 team, as the situation of other teams shows. I believe that, with the right marketing and representation, a skilled team like oGs should have no problem finding one. Well, it is too late now, I guess... But what I wanted to say was that the management of oGs is also to blame for this.
Getting worked up over it doesn't stop it from happening. In fact, I think us as the SC2 community behaving like little babies every time LoL comes up only serves to put the SC2 community in bad light.
Wow that's fucking awful. This could be the beginning of some dangerous times for StarCraft II if sponsors all decide that MOBA is the way to go for the future of competitive gaming.
surely its time some of the bigger kespa proleague teams swallowed some of their players to boost their sc2 rosters for the new hybrid format, and to provide better practice partners for the bw pros making the transition between games.
Would it be possible for a BW team to pick them up? they would make great practice partners and help the BW players with their switch. well obviously not them all but just the key players and managers. Seems like something that would help everyone.
On May 16 2012 13:49 Balgrog wrote: Where is jinro going to go?
where is jinro going to go? what about HerO!?
Why does noone care about Huk! What is Huk going to do? Yeah Huk is still part of Liquid in everything but name.
I thought EG had some kind of partnership with SlayerS?
They do and Puma/JYP still live in slayers house afaik. Huk on the other hand still lives with ogs because he prefers it over slayers house. As it was said before the only thing that changed for huk when he left liquid was the tag before his name and his salary.
Usually when players are on the open market, it doesn't take long to get them signed on. So don't be surprised if you start seeing people get picked up pretty fast. I wonder if the Federation teams are allowed to talk to the players or if they're still in agreement not to sign anyone.
Okay guys, translation done. It took a while because this one was pretty f*cking complex. I also felt like they were being way too repetitive of the same crap, so I had to do tons of research before deciding "wow, they just REALLY love being redundant."
스타크래프트2 리그서 명문 게임단 중 하나인 oGs가 전격적으로 해체됐다. 박상익 감독의 지휘 하에 지난 2010년 9월 GSL 오픈시즌1을 시작으로 이윤열 장민철 박지수 등 대표게이머들을 배출했던 oGs는 해체라는 최악의 결과를 받아들여야 했다.
One of the main teams within the StarCraft 2 leagues, oGs, has officially disbanded. Under coach TheWind, players like NaDa, MC, and Fin represented this wonderful team that began all the way from September of 2010 during the GSL Open seasons. Unfortunately oGs had to suffer the ultimate tragedy, an offical disbandment.
oGs 박상익 감독은 지난 14일 밤 OSEN과 전화통화에서 해체를 인정했다. 박 감독은 거취가 정리되는 대로 조만간 공식 발표를 하겠다고 입장을 정리했다. 박 감독은 "선수들을 모아 운영하기 위해 백방으로 수소문했지만 선수들이 해외팀 이적을 희망하면서 팀의 해체를 결정했다"고 말했다.
oGs's coach, TheWind, called OSEN on the 14th of May and officially confirmed the disbandment via telephone. Coach TheWind stated that, as soon as the situation regarding his players and where they will be staying becomes clearer, he will make an official announcement. oGs gathered all their players and desperately tried to track down anyone who was willing to support them, but eventually decided to disband because players decided to pursue foreign opportunities.
이미 지난달 말부터 해체설이 떠돌았던 oGs는 운영주체인 e스포츠 마케팅 기업 e스타즈 홀딩스가 지난 11일 운영 포기를 선언하면서 해체 수순을 밟아왔다. e스타즈 홀딩스는 4월 게임단 운영비를 마지막으로 지급하면서 oGs에 대한 지원을 중단했다.
There were already rumors of oGs possibly disbanding circulating around last month. As it turns out, oGs's sponsor with the eSports market, eStars, decided to cease all operations and announced the disbanding of oGs. eStars made their final payment for oGs players in April and then left oGs afterwards.
장민철과 이윤열이 몸담으면서 스타크래프트2리그서 명문게임단 반열에 올라있던 oGS는 그동안 맘스터치, 커세어, 레이저 등에서 후원을 받아왔다.
Up till now, thanks to MC and NaDa, oGs was able to rise to a prestigious level and was able to gather great sponsors like Mom's Touch, Corsair, and Razer.
업계 관계자에 따르면 e스타즈 홀딩스는 oGs 운영을 포기하면서 지난 2월 창단한 홍진호 감독이 지휘하고 있는 리그 오브 레전드 팀인 제닉스 스톰 운영에 총력을 다하기로 방향을 정했다고. 이 관계자는 oGs 운영포기와 관련해 자금 부족이 실제적인 이유라고 전했다.
According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
oGs 해체 소식과 관련해 다른 관계자는 "스타크래프트1 리그가 2를 병행하면서 생기게 될 시너지 효과에 찬물을 끼얹을까바 우려된다"고 안타까움을 드러냈다.
Another official stated that the disbandment of oGs is a truly unfortunate one. This disbandment could potentially dampen the potential synergy that could have brewed between StarCraft 1 Leagues and StarCraft 2 Leagues. (meaning since things were getting on the right track with StarCraft 1 Leagues now accepting StarCraft 2, this unfortunate news could make people question the stability of StarCraft 2)
Hmm, I'm excited to see if any foreign teams pick these players up. Fin and Supernova are the big names here but teams like EG, TL, coL and Fnatic have already acquired at least 1 Korean Terran and need other races more, as far as I can tell. EG and coL could use a Zerg, maybe JookTo or Luvsic could actually get picked up by a big team?
I mean I know those aren't big names like oGsForGG but where else are you going to find top Zergs? Seems like there hasn't been a top free agent Z player since Stephano resigned with Mill.
Okay guys, translation done. It took a while because this one was pretty f*cking complex. I also felt like they were being way too repetitive of the same crap, so I had to do tons of research before deciding "wow, they just REALLY love being redundant."
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
Not disputing LoL is more popular, but the PCBangs rankings don't really mean anything. Of course a free-to-play game that has a team aspect of having people around you is going to be played more at a PCBangs than a game that costs $60 and is mostly 1v1. People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
except those who is soon to join the army , ex-oGs players should really look for a Korean team so that they can enjoy the real deal that Korean scene has to offer later this year
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
Not disputing LoL is more popular, but the PCBangs rankings don't really mean anything. Of course a free-to-play game that has a team aspect of having people around you is going to be played more at a PCBangs than a game that costs $60 and is mostly 1v1. People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
One big thing that helps with the rankings is that if you play League at a Korean PC bang, you get all of the champions temporarily unlocked. This is an incentive for players to go out and play it as oppose to stay home.
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
Not disputing LoL is more popular, but the PCBangs rankings don't really mean anything. Of course a free-to-play game that has a team aspect of having people around you is going to be played more at a PCBangs than a game that costs $60 and is mostly 1v1. People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
Actually, no. People in Korea generally don't own good computers because they're so used to just going to PC bangs for their gaming. Trust me, dude, I'm Korean. This is a country that was stuck on IE6 and Active X Plug-ins. They spend money on their keyboards and mice and use the PC bang for the computer. Even on gaming teams, all the monitors/computers are usually provided and the only thing they own is their keyboard and mouse. Hell, NesTea likes to practice from PC bangs because they let him smoke. I mean, I'm not saying NOBODY owns their own mancave, but it's definitely not as popular there as it is here in America.
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
Not disputing LoL is more popular, but the PCBangs rankings don't really mean anything. Of course a free-to-play game that has a team aspect of having people around you is going to be played more at a PCBangs than a game that costs $60 and is mostly 1v1. People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
Actually, no. People in Korea generally don't own good computers because they're so used to just going to PC bangs for their gaming. Trust me, dude, I'm Korean. This is a country that was stuck on IE6 and Active X Plug-ins. They spend money on their keyboards and mice and use the PC bang for the computer. Even on gaming teams, all the monitors/computers are usually provided and the only thing they own is their keyboard and mouse. Hell, NesTea likes to practice from PC bangs because they let him smoke. I mean, I'm not saying NOBODY owns their own mancave, but it's definitely not as popular there as it is here in America.
PC Bang statistics are actually some of the most reliable indicators of a game's popularity in korea. If it is not popular in a PC Bang, it is probably not played much by the population.
And last time I checked, SC2 was like 18th place with less than 1% of the total gametime played in PC Bangs.
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
Not disputing LoL is more popular, but the PCBangs rankings don't really mean anything. Of course a free-to-play game that has a team aspect of having people around you is going to be played more at a PCBangs than a game that costs $60 and is mostly 1v1. People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
Actually, no. People in Korea generally don't own good computers because they're so used to just going to PC bangs for their gaming. Trust me, dude, I'm Korean. This is a country that was stuck on IE6 and Active X Plug-ins. They spend money on their keyboards and mice and use the PC bang for the computer. Even on gaming teams, all the monitors/computers are usually provided and the only thing they own is their keyboard and mouse. Hell, NesTea likes to practice from PC bangs because they let him smoke. I mean, I'm not saying NOBODY owns their own mancave, but it's definitely not as popular there as it is here in America.
PC Bang statistics are actually some of the most reliable indicators of a game's popularity in korea. If it is not popular in a PC Bang, it is probably not played much by the population.
And last time I checked, SC2 was like 18th place with less than 1% of the total gametime played in PC Bangs.
Currently, D3 is at like 26% of pc bang time in Korea.
That pretty much puts a whole kibosh into
People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
Also, I think SC2 was at like 5% when it came out?
On May 17 2012 04:11 WackaAlpaca wrote: about time. ogs is full of old players doing nothing spectacular.
maybe now the players on that team who actually wanted to excell can be taken in to a relevant team.
GL to all the players of OGS and their futures!
What the heck? Former home to HerO + Zenio + MC? Home to Supernova, 2 time GSL ro8'er, and new code S menacing terran theSTC? Barely missing GSTL playoffs due to a bad format that allowed FXO to lose three times when they could only lose twice and lost to both FXO and MVP, the scariest teams in the league? Home of pretty much all protoss innovation from the rise of MC to the dawn of the new protoss generation of sage/puzzle/etc? Third in IPLTAC with losses only to NSHS and Prime? The first to ever have a foreign partnership, still to this day the best imo, because it wasn't just purely business. The players loved each other, the management loved each other...
The reason why they are "no longer relevant" is not because of lack of talent and motivation on the team, but simply because they've been outbid everywhere and despite all of that they still remain a extremely strong team.
Look how SlayerS is faring in similar circumstances. Fou? Prime? oGs is doing better than every single one of these teams when they were struggling hard.
I wonder if the players decided against reforming a new team in favor of foreign teams because of that awful perception you get loaded with money if you are on a western team...
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: Okay guys, translation done. It took a while because this one was pretty f*cking complex. I also felt like they were being way too repetitive of the same crap, so I had to do tons of research before deciding "wow, they just REALLY love being redundant."
스타크래프트2 리그서 명문 게임단 중 하나인 oGs가 전격적으로 해체됐다. 박상익 감독의 지휘 하에 지난 2010년 9월 GSL 오픈시즌1을 시작으로 이윤열 장민철 박지수 등 대표게이머들을 배출했던 oGs는 해체라는 최악의 결과를 받아들여야 했다.
One of the main teams within the StarCraft 2 leagues, oGs, has officially disbanded. Under coach TheWind, players like NaDa, MC, and Fin represented this wonderful team that began all the way from September of 2010 during the GSL Open seasons. Unfortunately oGs had to suffer the ultimate tragedy, an offical disbandment.
oGs 박상익 감독은 지난 14일 밤 OSEN과 전화통화에서 해체를 인정했다. 박 감독은 거취가 정리되는 대로 조만간 공식 발표를 하겠다고 입장을 정리했다. 박 감독은 "선수들을 모아 운영하기 위해 백방으로 수소문했지만 선수들이 해외팀 이적을 희망하면서 팀의 해체를 결정했다"고 말했다.
oGs's coach, TheWind, called OSEN on the 14th of May and officially confirmed the disbandment via telephone. Coach TheWind stated that, as soon as the situation regarding his players and where they will be staying becomes clearer, he will make an official announcement. oGs gathered all their players and desperately tried to track down anyone who was willing to support them, but eventually decided to disband because players decided to pursue foreign opportunities.
이미 지난달 말부터 해체설이 떠돌았던 oGs는 운영주체인 e스포츠 마케팅 기업 e스타즈 홀딩스가 지난 11일 운영 포기를 선언하면서 해체 수순을 밟아왔다. e스타즈 홀딩스는 4월 게임단 운영비를 마지막으로 지급하면서 oGs에 대한 지원을 중단했다.
There were already rumors of oGs possibly disbanding circulating around last month. As it turns out, oGs's sponsor with the eSports market, eStars, decided to cease all operations and announced the disbanding of oGs. eStars made their final payment for oGs players in April and then left oGs afterwards.
장민철과 이윤열이 몸담으면서 스타크래프트2리그서 명문게임단 반열에 올라있던 oGS는 그동안 맘스터치, 커세어, 레이저 등에서 후원을 받아왔다.
Up till now, thanks to MC and NaDa, oGs was able to rise to a prestigious level and was able to gather great sponsors like Mom's Touch, Corsair, and Razer.
업계 관계자에 따르면 e스타즈 홀딩스는 oGs 운영을 포기하면서 지난 2월 창단한 홍진호 감독이 지휘하고 있는 리그 오브 레전드 팀인 제닉스 스톰 운영에 총력을 다하기로 방향을 정했다고. 이 관계자는 oGs 운영포기와 관련해 자금 부족이 실제적인 이유라고 전했다.
According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
oGs 해체 소식과 관련해 다른 관계자는 "스타크래프트1 리그가 2를 병행하면서 생기게 될 시너지 효과에 찬물을 끼얹을까바 우려된다"고 안타까움을 드러냈다.
Another official stated that the disbandment of oGs is a truly unfortunate one. This disbandment could potentially dampen the potential synergy that could have brewed between StarCraft 1 Leagues and StarCraft 2 Leagues. (meaning since things were getting on the right track with StarCraft 1 Leagues now accepting StarCraft 2, this unfortunate news could make people question the stability of StarCraft 2)
thanks for the translation, would it be possible for it to be updated in the OP? such requests seem to be most of my posts in this thread XD but i think it is better so people don't have to look to a specific page to find the information...
hopefully we'll see whether or not they are reforming or if the players truly are going to just try to go for foreign oppurtunities
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: Okay guys, translation done. It took a while because this one was pretty f*cking complex. I also felt like they were being way too repetitive of the same crap, so I had to do tons of research before deciding "wow, they just REALLY love being redundant."
스타크래프트2 리그서 명문 게임단 중 하나인 oGs가 전격적으로 해체됐다. 박상익 감독의 지휘 하에 지난 2010년 9월 GSL 오픈시즌1을 시작으로 이윤열 장민철 박지수 등 대표게이머들을 배출했던 oGs는 해체라는 최악의 결과를 받아들여야 했다.
One of the main teams within the StarCraft 2 leagues, oGs, has officially disbanded. Under coach TheWind, players like NaDa, MC, and Fin represented this wonderful team that began all the way from September of 2010 during the GSL Open seasons. Unfortunately oGs had to suffer the ultimate tragedy, an offical disbandment.
oGs 박상익 감독은 지난 14일 밤 OSEN과 전화통화에서 해체를 인정했다. 박 감독은 거취가 정리되는 대로 조만간 공식 발표를 하겠다고 입장을 정리했다. 박 감독은 "선수들을 모아 운영하기 위해 백방으로 수소문했지만 선수들이 해외팀 이적을 희망하면서 팀의 해체를 결정했다"고 말했다.
oGs's coach, TheWind, called OSEN on the 14th of May and officially confirmed the disbandment via telephone. Coach TheWind stated that, as soon as the situation regarding his players and where they will be staying becomes clearer, he will make an official announcement. oGs gathered all their players and desperately tried to track down anyone who was willing to support them, but eventually decided to disband because players decided to pursue foreign opportunities.
이미 지난달 말부터 해체설이 떠돌았던 oGs는 운영주체인 e스포츠 마케팅 기업 e스타즈 홀딩스가 지난 11일 운영 포기를 선언하면서 해체 수순을 밟아왔다. e스타즈 홀딩스는 4월 게임단 운영비를 마지막으로 지급하면서 oGs에 대한 지원을 중단했다.
There were already rumors of oGs possibly disbanding circulating around last month. As it turns out, oGs's sponsor with the eSports market, eStars, decided to cease all operations and announced the disbanding of oGs. eStars made their final payment for oGs players in April and then left oGs afterwards.
장민철과 이윤열이 몸담으면서 스타크래프트2리그서 명문게임단 반열에 올라있던 oGS는 그동안 맘스터치, 커세어, 레이저 등에서 후원을 받아왔다.
Up till now, thanks to MC and NaDa, oGs was able to rise to a prestigious level and was able to gather great sponsors like Mom's Touch, Corsair, and Razer.
업계 관계자에 따르면 e스타즈 홀딩스는 oGs 운영을 포기하면서 지난 2월 창단한 홍진호 감독이 지휘하고 있는 리그 오브 레전드 팀인 제닉스 스톰 운영에 총력을 다하기로 방향을 정했다고. 이 관계자는 oGs 운영포기와 관련해 자금 부족이 실제적인 이유라고 전했다.
According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
oGs 해체 소식과 관련해 다른 관계자는 "스타크래프트1 리그가 2를 병행하면서 생기게 될 시너지 효과에 찬물을 끼얹을까바 우려된다"고 안타까움을 드러냈다.
Another official stated that the disbandment of oGs is a truly unfortunate one. This disbandment could potentially dampen the potential synergy that could have brewed between StarCraft 1 Leagues and StarCraft 2 Leagues. (meaning since things were getting on the right track with StarCraft 1 Leagues now accepting StarCraft 2, this unfortunate news could make people question the stability of StarCraft 2)
thanks for the translation, would it be possible for it to be updated in the OP? such requests seem to be most of my posts in this thread XD but i think it is better so people don't have to look to a specific page to find the information...
hopefully we'll see whether or not they are reforming or if the players truly are going to just try to go for foreign oppurtunities
I PMed the OP but I don't think it's been included into the OP yet.
Only other option would be for a mod to edit it in
Sad. But Supernova is the last player on ogs I could think of, so it seems like this has been long time comming. Hope the players still on ogs can continue their careers though.
Really sad T_T wish they can re-form and be stronger then ever GL! also, good luck to the oGs players in finding a new home, there's some really good players in there!
any rumors as to where they are all going? i mean i don't expect such high caliber players as fOrGG, Supernova, vines etc to not get on another big team for a while. also how long before the players move out of the oGs house?
One thing that is particularly depressing and unsettling here is that a company is dropping SC2 sponsorship in favor of LoL. There certainly can be some rational and logical business reasons for this, but it is very unsettling regardless.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled.
What are you even talking about?
I'm talking about Korean teams agreeing not to sign these Koreans for a set period. I apologize if this info is incorrect, but that quote doesn't have to do with that.
ForGG needs to get picked up asap! GSL skill level player + consistently streams with 1k~2k viewers. Definitely valuable to any organization out there, foreigner or korean.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
I have read all the info. How does it make me wrong? Why is it smart for Korean teams to willingly put themselves at a disadvantage? I realize some of the players want to reform the team. That loyalty won't be affected whether Korean teams are allowed to talk to them or not. Instead it allows players like Vines to join a foreign team without even the opportunity to land in Korea.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
2) All contracts with players, including TheWind, are canceled.
What are you even talking about?
He's saying it's dumb for Korean teams to make that agreement as teams outside that circle (SlayerS, Empire etc) obviously don't give a shit and will approach if they want to.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
I have read all the info. How does it make me wrong? Why is it smart for Korean teams to willingly put themselves at a disadvantage? I realize some of the players want to reform the team. That loyalty won't be affected whether Korean teams are allowed to talk to them or not. Instead it allows players like Vines to join a foreign team without even the opportunity to land in Korea.
Huh? The team disbanded and it was already DETERMINED they would not reform because the players chose to end it and go off to join foreign teams. what are you discussing? in general why korean teams don't sign players or oGs not doing it? because if it's the former that's irrelevant to the topic. none of the players would've signed to reform the team and the deal that korean teams wouldn't sign ogs players likely already went under when oGs wasn't going to reform
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
I have read all the info. How does it make me wrong? Why is it smart for Korean teams to willingly put themselves at a disadvantage? I realize some of the players want to reform the team. That loyalty won't be affected whether Korean teams are allowed to talk to them or not. Instead it allows players like Vines to join a foreign team without even the opportunity to land in Korea.
Huh? The team disbanded and it was already DETERMINED they would not reform because the players chose to end it and go off to join foreign teams. what are you discussing? in general why korean teams don't sign players or oGs not doing it? because if it's the former that's irrelevant to the topic. none of the players would've signed to reform the team and the deal that korean teams wouldn't sign ogs players likely already went under when oGs wasn't going to reform
I'm saying it's dumb for these other Korean teams to agree to not approach these players.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
I have read all the info. How does it make me wrong? Why is it smart for Korean teams to willingly put themselves at a disadvantage? I realize some of the players want to reform the team. That loyalty won't be affected whether Korean teams are allowed to talk to them or not. Instead it allows players like Vines to join a foreign team without even the opportunity to land in Korea.
Huh? The team disbanded and it was already DETERMINED they would not reform because the players chose to end it and go off to join foreign teams. what are you discussing? in general why korean teams don't sign players or oGs not doing it? because if it's the former that's irrelevant to the topic. none of the players would've signed to reform the team and the deal that korean teams wouldn't sign ogs players likely already went under when oGs wasn't going to reform
I'm saying it's dumb for these other Korean teams to agree to not approach these players.
i'm sure they have by now....korean teams can't offer much. stc mentioned it in his gsl interview implying if he joined a korean team again he would get no salary and would rather join a foreign team like most of the oGs players.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
He is talking about this
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
The agreement probably doesn't stand anymore, I don't think an other team will be reformed
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
But the reason they didn't sign was due to the possiblity of oGs reforming. I'm sure by the time oGs disabnded it was free g ame for all players. The reason however for no possiblity of reformation is because the players decided ahead of time to join foreign teams, maybe they contacted them at this time causing no chance of reformation but we don't know for sure
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
He is talking about this
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
But the reason they didn't sign was due to the possiblity of oGs reforming. I'm sure by the time oGs disabnded it was free g ame for all players. The reason however for no possiblity of reformation is because the players decided ahead of time to join foreign teams, maybe they contacted them at this time causing no chance of reformation but we don't know for sure
Probably true, but I imagine the guy was working off of the OP and the information in it. Want to bet on which player gets signed next? (supernova)
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
He is talking about this
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
But the reason they didn't sign was due to the possiblity of oGs reforming. I'm sure by the time oGs disabnded it was free g ame for all players. The reason however for no possiblity of reformation is because the players decided ahead of time to join foreign teams, maybe they contacted them at this time causing no chance of reformation but we don't know for sure
Probably true, but I imagine the guy was working off of the OP and the information in it. Want to bet on which player gets signed next? (supernova)
theSTC. If you win I'll put in my sig box that you are the best user in all of TL. I win, you do the same.
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
He is talking about this
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
But the reason they didn't sign was due to the possiblity of oGs reforming. I'm sure by the time oGs disabnded it was free g ame for all players. The reason however for no possiblity of reformation is because the players decided ahead of time to join foreign teams, maybe they contacted them at this time causing no chance of reformation but we don't know for sure
TheSTC said in his code a interview that the players wanted to pursuit chances with foreign teams and they decided not to form a new team. TheWind is probably heading to on of the bw teams right now.
I'm not sure if it still applies but i remember when the sc2 scene first started, kespa made a rule saying all bw players with progaming licenses are banned from kespa sanctioned tournaments for like 3 years or something like that. So I'm not sure if ogs players, which I believe are all former bw progamers, are allowed to be on kespa teams.
On May 17 2012 02:29 SeeKeR wrote: According to an industry official, (basically a person that worked for eStars) eStars decided to cease operations (they say this a lot for some reason, that's why I keep repeating ceasing operations) with oGs, and decided to sponsor team Xenics Storm, a League of Legends team coached by YellOw. The official stated that the real reason for oGs disbandment was because of lack of funds and eStars deciding to cease all operations. (seems kind of redundant here but w/e)
Did yellow kill oGs?
It's been known for quite some time that LoL is more popular in pc bangs than SC2 atm. Thus it being a more popular game in Korea.
Not disputing LoL is more popular, but the PCBangs rankings don't really mean anything. Of course a free-to-play game that has a team aspect of having people around you is going to be played more at a PCBangs than a game that costs $60 and is mostly 1v1. People who play SC2 in Korea more than likely already have a good computer and have no incentive of playing the game at a PCBangs. For LoL, you can just go there with your friends or coworkers after a long day, sit down and play for free in a team environment.
Thanks for the statement, ppl should read this and stop whining plz =[
On May 19 2012 03:32 ssg wrote: How dumb are these Korean teams to agree to not sign these players? As if foreigners signing homegrown Koreans wasn't a big enough problem for them.
you cant possibly be this dumb and ignorant with all the information presented already and clearly available.
He is talking about this
3) All members of e-Sports Federation decided not to sign oGs players for certain period of time (unclear as to how long).
(Note: Members of e-Sports Federation are Startale, IM, Prime, MVP, oGs, NSHoseo, FXO, TSL and ZeNEX)
He actually makes a valid point, while oGs was talking about reforming I was glad that these teams had agreed to not try to poach off of their sinking ship. Now it seems like a poor choice though as there are a lot of talented players just looking to be signed.
But the reason they didn't sign was due to the possiblity of oGs reforming. I'm sure by the time oGs disabnded it was free g ame for all players. The reason however for no possiblity of reformation is because the players decided ahead of time to join foreign teams, maybe they contacted them at this time causing no chance of reformation but we don't know for sure
Probably true, but I imagine the guy was working off of the OP and the information in it. Want to bet on which player gets signed next? (supernova)
theSTC. If you win I'll put in my sig box that you are the best user in all of TL. I win, you do the same.
Seems fair, I'll take that bet. What if we both lose?
I'm just going to cut right in to this lovely conversation because I need to voice my opinion. I'm really sad oGs disbanded, they've been my favorite team since the beginning of SC2 competition - and also the only team whose name contained the initials for "original gangster."
EPT
it'll be interesting to see who gets picked up and where, though
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