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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 03 2012 20:14 SeokSah wrote: hmmm I don't know might be exactly 200 cause it stopped working couple days ago. I thought the problem was patch 1.5 but it was updated to be compatible so maybe it stopped on the 200th game... check pm | ||
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thechasemenna
United States28 Posts
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Priidrik
Estonia33 Posts
I have been using this plugin since release, but today it just stopped working. Here's what it looks like: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/5rsk4.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ZbAjw.jpg) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/10ATK.jpg) Please help, if possible. Thanks in advance. Edit: I manually updated to newest version, and its still the same. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 05 2012 08:12 thechasemenna wrote: umm well i dont know if its juaat me but i cannot seem to get this(or any plugin for that matter) to work on my mac... Make sure you unpacked the files correct. There was some problems with the zip format in for mac. Also follow the install howto step by step. On August 05 2012 18:09 Priidrik wrote: Hi I have been using this plugin since release, but today it just stopped working. Here's what it looks like: + Show Spoiler + Please help, if possible. Thanks in advance. Edit: I manually updated to newest version, and its still the same. Download: http://skeletor.jimmeh.com/mmr/MMR.jar and replaece the jar file in your folder. Fix included in next version | ||
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Priidrik
Estonia33 Posts
On August 05 2012 21:31 skeldark wrote: Download: http://skeletor.jimmeh.com/mmr/MMR.jar and replaece the jar file in your folder. Fix included in next version Thank you, it worked  | ||
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graNite
Germany4434 Posts
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leakingpointer
2 Posts
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:42 leakingpointer wrote: Hi, First of all great app, I've got a question, what happens when you forget to turn on sc2gears before one game and you loose the info from this one game - will the app set itself back on track? Or do I have to clear everything and start from the beginning? This could be in faq ; ) I believe it won't matter. | ||
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Maxamix
Canada165 Posts
On August 06 2012 22:42 leakingpointer wrote: Hi, First of all great app, I've got a question, what happens when you forget to turn on sc2gears before one game and you loose the info from this one game - will the app set itself back on track? Or do I have to clear everything and start from the beginning? This could be in faq ; ) It does not matter much, for one game. The plugin does not work with replays (up to my knowledge) so if you forget to fire it up for a game, the data will not be perfect but it will be close enough and over time when you accumulate good games it should correct itself (at least that's my understanding of the plugin) I have a question of my own. What could cause great gain / loss of MMR over one game. As an exemple i played a game yesterday and the MMR graph shows a +- 30 MMR points increase for the win... Just wondering what could cause that | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:24 graNite wrote: is it possible to make a new option for the mmr graph? i want the x scale to be time, not game# not for now perhaps in future. On August 06 2012 22:42 leakingpointer wrote: Hi, First of all great app, I've got a question, what happens when you forget to turn on sc2gears before one game and you loose the info from this one game - will the app set itself back on track? Or do I have to clear everything and start from the beginning? This could be in faq ; ) its problematic because the expection is now away from the result. so i could judge tiers wrong in future. BUT 1 game alone dont have an impact only a missing winning/loosing streak would cause trouble Also after collecting 5-20 new games the error will be noticed and corrected. On August 06 2012 23:18 Maxamix wrote: It does not matter much, for one game. The plugin does not work with replays (up to my knowledge) so if you forget to fire it up for a game, the data will not be perfect but it will be close enough and over time when you accumulate good games it should correct itself (at least that's my understanding of the plugin) I have a question of my own. What could cause great gain / loss of MMR over one game. As an exemple i played a game yesterday and the MMR graph shows a +- 30 MMR points increase for the win... Just wondering what could cause that A mistake. A increase of points after a loose is allways a mistake of my tool. You will now ask : When i know that its wrong why dont i correct it? The Anwser is any hard coded correction like this would make the data biased and could create follow up mistakes. I correct the game inside the error margin but not if the mistake is bigger than it should be. If i detect an systematic error in the data i will report that but dont do anything. The reason is above. This mistake could be missing games! In your case its most likely a miscalculation of the change-points by 1 point. It will equal out over time too. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 06 2012 03:24 graNite wrote: is it possible to make a new option for the mmr graph? i want the x scale to be time, not game# not for now perhaps in future. On August 06 2012 22:42 leakingpointer wrote: Hi, First of all great app, I've got a question, what happens when you forget to turn on sc2gears before one game and you loose the info from this one game - will the app set itself back on track? Or do I have to clear everything and start from the beginning? This could be in faq ; ) In general its problematic because the expection is now away from the result. so i could judge tiers wrong in future. BUT 1 game alone dont have an impact only a missing winning/loosing streak would cause trouble Also even than, after collecting 5-20 new games the error will be noticed and corrected. -This is not done by any correction method its more that the algorithem i invented is flexible. He takes the result that looks the best ( he calculate all possibility's and test them) . -So the missing games let wrong result looks better than the correct ones. But with more games, the truth will win above the mistake again. For one game that happens in 1-2 new games, for big missing winning/loosing streaks it will take longer. On August 06 2012 23:18 Maxamix wrote: It does not matter much, for one game. The plugin does not work with replays (up to my knowledge) so if you forget to fire it up for a game, the data will not be perfect but it will be close enough and over time when you accumulate good games it should correct itself (at least that's my understanding of the plugin) I have a question of my own. What could cause great gain / loss of MMR over one game. As an exemple i played a game yesterday and the MMR graph shows a +- 30 MMR points increase for the win... Just wondering what could cause that A increase of points after a loose is always a mistake. You will now ask : When i know that its wrong why dont i correct it? The Anwser: Any hard coded correction like this, would make the data biased and could create follow up mistakes. I correct the game inside the error margin (finetuner) but not if the mistake is bigger than it should be. If i detect an systematic error in the data i will notice that internal but dont try to correct it. The reason is above. This mistake could be missing games! For this kind of algorithm to work, i have to let him make his own mistakes and have to let him correct it himself. Also the "mistake" could be the correct result and the past could be the one that was wrong. In your case its most likely a miscalculation of the changepoints by 1 point( its very rare but it can happen). It will equal out over time again. | ||
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Maxamix
Canada165 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 07 2012 02:21 Maxamix wrote: That makes perfect sence, i was just asking because the increase happened exactly @ the moment i was promoted from platinium to Diamond so i was wondering if it has anything to do with that since promotion are related to the MMR. Anyways thanks for the responce Oh in this case its a more serious mistake. The promotion game alone should be a bad game . I can not calculate mmr in an promotion game. The game directly after should be fine again. I judge my accuracy on this kind of games. Perhaps blizzard change the offsets a little bit this season. You graph was stable before? = you have more than 10 goog games? | ||
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Maxamix
Canada165 Posts
On August 07 2012 15:26 skeldark wrote: Oh in this case its a more serious mistake. The promotion game alone should be a bad game . I can not calculate mmr in an promotion game. The game directly after should be fine again. I judge my accuracy on this kind of games. Perhaps blizzard change the offsets a little bit this season. You graph was stable before? = you have more than 10 goog games? My graph was stable before i have about 20 good games out of the +- 40 registered ones. I use the Ram-scanner too. It is true that i played a couple of games without SC2 gears on so it might be a mix of many things... promotion and correction of unregistered games... If you want i can post a picture of the said graph. | ||
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Cresar
Spain20 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/sinttulosfjrr.jpg) But then when I accept the settings and leave the menu, displayed "Loading" and then you can see this. ![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/sindttuloqakl1.jpg) Any solution please? | ||
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Amridell
188 Posts
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Petninja
United States159 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 07 2012 23:45 Maxamix wrote: My graph was stable before i have about 20 good games out of the +- 40 registered ones. I use the Ram-scanner too. It is true that i played a couple of games without SC2 gears on so it might be a mix of many things... promotion and correction of unregistered games... If you want i can post a picture of the said graph. no necessary. i have all the data but thanks. On August 08 2012 08:31 Cresar wrote: I have a problem , I have configured the plugin like this: But then when I accept the settings and leave the menu, displayed "Loading" and then you can see this. Any solution please? Yes Read the FAQ ^^ It dont work with replays. you have to play. On August 08 2012 14:54 Amridell wrote: Does this work with 1.5? I know sc2 gears got a little screwed up. Yes i updated the memoryscanner and webpagegrabber. I think the steps in the replays changed a lot. I only need the name and the winner from the replay so this dont affect me. Reminds me on asking farming if he want my webgrabber for the new bnet webpage. On August 08 2012 15:16 Petninja wrote: Works fine as far as I can tell. I love this plugin, gives me that which Blizzard failed to include in the game. Would be nice if this is the only missing thing in the game  | ||
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Cresar
Spain20 Posts
Yes Read the FAQ ^^ It dont work with replays. you have to play. But I had played games before putting the plug and not loaded, what happens? Just load the game after having the plugin enabled? | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On August 08 2012 18:55 Cresar wrote: But I had played games before putting the plug and not loaded, what happens? Just load the game after having the plugin enabled? you play the games WHILE the program runs! It trackes the gamedata LIVE! FAQ+ Show Spoiler + I installed the tool but dont see a graph! What to do? The tool dont work with replays. It must be active while you playing a ladder game to track the gamedata! When it does not work with replays than i dont need saved replays right? It need the replay life! means it must be enabled before in and after the game and sc2gears must store the replay. I have tracked games now but still dont see a graph! What to do? The analyser need one 100% game to judge your data. Quality under 50% means something went wrong. You can lower the chance this happens by activate the memory-scanner. Between 50%-100% depends on the game and is not in your hand. Just play more games. When you have one 100% game the analyser will analyse all games even the ones before and show the graph. How many games do i need before i get a 100% game? 1 - infinity. Its not in your hand. Depends on the difference between you and your opponent in skill, league and tier. How accurate is this tool? A easy question and a very complicated answer. Without going into math, i just put out numbers: master +-24 poiints in average under master +-60 (if you have more than 5 100% games and only play with the tool open) When do i get promoted/demoted? Who cares? its just random icons at random mmr points. But i think this is not the awnser you are looking for so: If you are stable above or under a promotion line for several games. Even if you raise or drop a league you have to be stable first before the system promote/demote you. How many games stable is is unknown at the moment. My graph is wrong! i won a game and lost points or lost a game and got points! Its not wrong. Every point have a deviation. So you dont see your exact mmr., in most case this deviation is +-24. This explains the local mistakes. This kind of mistakes dont affect the graph. It stay local. You graph is wrong it just jumped after only one game total As more data as more accurate the analyser is. If you have less 100% games the graph is unstable because the analyser is not sure yet. If you get a game that show a mistake he will auto correct the hole graph. You graph is wrong, it say im low, middle x but im clearly high x you are not. Bnet system lie to you. Your top 8 spot in your division say nothing... Sorry. I see when the gamedata is bad you add +16 for a win and -16 for a loose why not more accurate? You loose more and win more depending the diffrence between you and your opponent. However to calculate the mmr i need to know the pointchange. To calculate the point change i need to know the mmr. +-16 is the average change and brings good data. Even if one point in the graph is a little bit wrong because of this the hole graph is correct. Keep in mind this are only filler points. The real data is in the other "100%" points and they adjust the hole graph. Can i get banned for using the Memory-Scanner Blizzards Terms-of-Use are written in a way that they can ban for everything. Really everything. This tools read the nicknname of the opponent out of the ram like many streamtools do. It dont change the memory or change any sc2-files. So its very unlike blizzard will ban for this. Most likely they cant even detect it. They could run crazy and ban for all kind of applications they dont like but i dont think so. In the end its your account and your risk. Thats the reason i put the warning in, so you dont give me the fault if blizzard goes crazy. | ||
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