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Hairy
United Kingdom1169 Posts
On May 24 2012 17:39 Not_That wrote: It's MMR but without taking into account league and tiers offsets. It's the result of F function before applying offsets. Seems completely useless to me... | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
For us very important. to find out this offsets. Also for master and gm guys who only have 1 tier it show how they stand in master /gm very accurate. | ||
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Not_That
287 Posts
![[image loading]](http://s15.postimage.org/gstp4gu57/nt_mmr.jpg) | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On May 24 2012 18:05 Not_That wrote: It looks much nicer with the newer version (download latest "unstable" one), and you can customize the background image. =) Damit, now i have to write a image analyser that detect protoss pictures and replace them by terran ones  | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
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Not_That
287 Posts
An interesting thing to note about possible MMR cap: If you are a really good player and your MMR is capped, you don't mind it at all. It does not affect your adjusted points in anyway whatsoever. The people who are affected by your MMR being capped are your opponents. They get less points for beating you and lose more points for losing against you. What this means is that as long as not too many players at the top are MMR capped, we can infer with reasonable accuracy a capped MMR player's uncapped MMR by simply looking at his adjusted once once he has played enough games for his adjusted points to stabilize. | ||
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qdlbp
6 Posts
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Not_That
287 Posts
It's actually a fortunate bug because without it we would not have been able to calculate the adjusted points of players who got demoted from Master correctly. So it's not a bug, it's a feature =) | ||
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qdlbp
6 Posts
On May 25 2012 00:03 Not_That wrote: That's not unique to the Korean server. The webpage displays unspent bonus pool for players below Master as if they were in Master. 231 is the current difference between Master bp and below Master bp on the Korean server atm. It's actually a fortunate bug because without it we would not have been able to calculate the adjusted points of players who got demoted from Master correctly. So it's not a bug, it's a feature =) Ah, Ok, that makes sense  | ||
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SDream
Brazil896 Posts
On May 24 2012 14:32 Not_That wrote: So which do you rather see? -------------------------------1000--------------1378--------1535---------- 1) LOW SKILL --- T6 Diamond - T1 Diamond - Master --- HIGH SKILL 2) LOW SKILL --- T1 Diamond - T6 Diamond - Master --- HIGH SKILL I'd rather 3) LOW SKILL --- F Diamond - S Diamond - Master --- HIGH SKILL Your system is fine, keep the t0. If I use the "S-F" I mean Highest -> Lowest, if I use "t0-t6", then I mean Lowest -> Highest, so we can use both, no problem, they are opposite, we can use them for different reasons. However, notice that it is the tier S (and not t0) that has a "special" offset. Diamond S -> master is 150, for example, so I think the S fits here and I think I can keep both systems just fine, as long as people know what each one means. Keep the t0->t6 in the plugin, it's fine. I will use S<-F here if needed to explain things. | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On May 25 2012 01:49 SDream wrote: I'd rather 3) LOW SKILL --- F Diamond - S Diamond - Master --- HIGH SKILL Your system is fine, keep the t0. If I use the "S-F" I mean Highest -> Lowest, if I use "t0-t6", then I mean Lowest -> Highest, so we can use both, no problem, they are opposite, we can use them for different reasons. However, notice that it is the tier S (and not t0) that has a "special" offset. Diamond S -> master is 150, for example, so I think the S fits here and I think I can keep both systems just fine, as long as people know what each one means. Keep the t0->t6 in the plugin, it's fine. I will use S<-F here if needed to explain things. What we want to archive with all of this is to forget them anyways. People should look at their skill not their tier not their division or league. In the end we want to undo all this pseudo skill system for children that blizzard invented and go back to a normal skill system | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
This will be stable if no new bugs come. Also i think im done with programming i added everything you can think of. Tieroffsets and session data is now downloaded in extra file! so i can update the data without forcing you to update the client. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
If possible, would any master/gm post their respective ladder points? Obviously, only knowing your own MMR does not say much, especially if you have a large chunk of bonus pool. With 300 bonus pool and 650 points, my current mmr stands roughly at 500~. Could anyone with all their points spent give me some points of comparison? | ||
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
On May 25 2012 19:55 ktimekiller wrote: I have a question If possible, would any master/gm post their respective ladder points? Obviously, only knowing your own MMR does not say much, especially if you have a large chunk of bonus pool. With 300 bonus pool and 650 points, my current mmr stands roughly at 500~. Could anyone with all their points spent give me some points of comparison? Thats... Ahhhhh.... Ok....... mh...... You know this tool calculate your mmr and dont just copy your "points"? So there is no bonus pool or points any more. In other words: we did not all this work to just show you ladderpoints in a graph oO It show your REAL skillpoints. forget all the blizzard pseudo skill things. Download the unstable and it give you a number in the top to compare with others. | ||
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ktimekiller
United States690 Posts
Essentially, what I am saying is, due to the fact that I have not yet spent my bonus pool, I do not have a comparison ladder point wise. My alternative is to compare the mmr of different players in different positions on the ladder as to identify my relative standing on the ladder. | ||
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Not_That
287 Posts
Alternatively compare your adj pts to theirs. This only works for Master/GM players though. | ||
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DoctorPhil
Netherlands168 Posts
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Not_That
287 Posts
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skeldark
Germany2223 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/NPN7F.png) Last Changes:+ Show Spoiler + -Cleaned Options -Improved Chart -Korean accounts fixed. -Help added -Tier & Session Data Downloader added -Gui improved -Gui settings are saved on exit -New F function -New Analyser -New Tier offsets All bnetserverdata can now downloaded on the fly so its not necessary to update the client as often. Also i added everything i can think of. We found out near (but only near) everything about MMR in the last month. When we have the exact offset we should be as accurate as possible. Thank you guys for helping us and uploading so much data. Overall we collected over 20k games! by the way: i wonder that no one found the easteregg yet | ||
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InfCereal
Canada1759 Posts
On May 26 2012 01:55 skeldark wrote: Last Changes:+ Show Spoiler + -Cleaned Options -Improved Chart -Korean accounts fixed. -Help added -Tier & Session Data Downloader added -Gui improved -Gui settings are saved on exit -New F function -New Analyser -New Tier offsets All bnetserverdata can now downloaded on the fly so its not necessary to update the client as often. Also i added everything i can think of. We found out near (but only near) everything about MMR in the last month. When we have the exact offset we should be as accurate as possible. Thank you guys for helping us and uploading so much data. Overall we collected over 20k games! by the way: i wonder that no one found the easteregg yet Your source code is broken, so I can't scour it for an easter egg. >  | ||
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