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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:32 Cyanocyst wrote: ehh the Zergs macro mechanics cost supply, unlike Mules or Chrono...so no sympathy from me. Ill take my consolation creep tumor, thank you. Zerg macro mechanic can also attack ground and air, spread creep And heal other units. Unlike Mules or Chrono. Which balances it out quite nicely imo | ||
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:43 Tump wrote: I think all races should have improvements against all-ins. Supply drop should be changed to like, fortify bunker or something. make it like the upgraded bunker but only on one? Nexus should get Shield Battery. Zerg already has transfuse/creep tumors and now has more energy, so yea. please for the love of god no. this game is easy enough as it is, making it even simpler is not going to help. | ||
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JiYan
United States3668 Posts
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Resistentialism
Canada688 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:28 Zelniq wrote: believe me, they have considered reducing the build time as they realize that it would fix a lot of issues for zerg, except for one silly, super-specific reason against it. they claim zvz fast pool, spine crawler rushes would be broken. i am actually a little skeptical now, as i mean cannons (which have the same life as a spine), build 10 seconds faster than spine crawlers and yet 3 drones attacking it soon after it starts building can kill it before it's halfway done. so yeah actually i dont agree that a 40 second spine crawler down from 50 seconds would screw up zvz at all actually. someone should talk to him about it. Spines have two armour on their entire hp pool compared to 1 armour on half hp for a cannon. This is a big deal against worker attacks, but also very important for the kind of defense zergs already use versus marines, hellions and zerglings, And they don't need a pylon. It's probably not that silly of an issue. | ||
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shanelevy
United States23 Posts
On May 03 2012 08:59 S_SienZ wrote: Yay another possible Protoss buff. Is it even worth sacrificing 100 free minerals / 270 quicker minerals for an observer kill anymore? (Situations like observer blink stalker all-in aside) EDIT: It's also very stupid that they acknowledge this is meant for pro level yet the test sample will be mostly non-pros. If they make a change with pro-level players in mind, they still want to know if that will mess things up for the rest of us... ...Also, why wouldn't they get feedback from pros as well? ...in fact, what on earth are you talking about? | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Zerg macro mechanic can also attack ground and air, spread creep And heal other units. Unlike Mules or Chrono. Which balances it out quite nicely imo Mules can heal other units!  Still interesting that nobody has really addressed any of my points in a while  A lot of knee jerk "OMG CREEP SPREAD !@#!!" but not much actual thought put into it. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
Blizzard should just not touch anything until HOTS hits. | ||
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Antisocialmunky
United States5912 Posts
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tuho12345
4482 Posts
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
thread already went way further. | ||
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shockaslim
United States1104 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:38 Esorydal wrote: I am a masters terran on korea and I comletelty agree with this statement zerg are WEAK early on against terran I dont know why people are complaing about zerg buffs THEY NEED THEM did you guys not see what are happening to zerg right are you guys blind LOOK AT THE GSL REPRESENTATION and on top of that look at lose rates for zergs on grandmaster, entombed WE WIN INSTANTLY with 11 11 racks why does this even happen zerg needs way better scouting.Are you guys seriously complaing about overloards when there slow as shit,cost supply and they cant wall off,our repair is like there transfuse they need this buff. Protoss are also to powerful right now I am guranteeing that there is gonna be a pvp and a protoss gsl winner they just have to many all ins and defenders advatnge everywhere and progessevly get strogner while the game goes on I dont know why you would buff the observer.Every gsl you can see that protoss recently STOMP on everyone even with using risky builds zerg are forced to engage protoss armies that dont require much micro at all to defend and die by force fields and terran are progessively going the route of all ins is this what you guys at blizzard want? While there are some abusive things you can do on Entombed, to say that 11/11 is an auto-win is totally absurd. A faster overlord is not going to help you scout an 11/11, especially if it is proxy build. Also, I think you meant we are complaining about queens......because on creep they are not "slow as shit", and they are fat enough to close off spaces. It is hard to decipher what you are trying to say here......but I don't feel that any of it is correct. | ||
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WolfintheSheep
Canada14127 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:54 JiYan wrote: yea queen energy is a little drastic. pro level zergs will have creep everywhere like its nothing. wont even need a creep queen anymore. Creep tumours only last until the very first push from a Terran. Then you have to start again. | ||
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Necro)Phagist(
Canada6644 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:55 TheRabidDeer wrote: Mules can heal other units! Still interesting that nobody has really addressed any of my points in a while A lot of knee jerk "OMG CREEP SPREAD !@#!!" but not much actual thought put into it. Lol touche! But still, they cost supply for that reason and it works. The starting energy I think is a little bit much, as creep spread will get kinda silly very quickly without even taking away 1 early game inject. It should at least the delay the next inject, being able to drop creep and inject right as it spawns seems kind of silly to me. But that it why they are making a test map for it! | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:57 Antisocialmunky wrote: Whatever happened to PTR? I believe very few people actually get on the PTR to test a patch, so it seems they're ditching it in favor of this live custom map test game. I think this is actually better, although maybe an added in-game feedback submission system to go along with it would be great. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
+ We are closely watching TvP to see if the offensive capabilities of terran in the early/mid game becomes too much, or if late game strength of protoss becomes too much. They acknowledge the state of TvP. Every time they acknowledge something they end up changing it | ||
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Ownos
United States2147 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:58 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Lol touche! But still, they cost supply for that reason and it works. The starting energy I think is a little bit much, as creep spread will get kinda silly very quickly without even taking away 1 early game inject. It should at least the delay the next inject, being able to drop creep and inject right as it spawns seems kind of silly to me. But that it why they are making a test map for it! The point you bring up about creep spread getting silly has already been addressed by me, it has no effect on creep spread when you have a creep spread queen (or as I demonstrated, with the traditional 2 spreading queens in ZvT). The only difference will be those initial 2 tumors | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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sc14s
United States5052 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On May 03 2012 14:01 Ownos wrote: 50 energy feels kind of inconsistent. But I like it. How is it inconsistent? Don´t all casters start with 50 energy? | ||
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