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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:13 IshinShishi wrote: Why not?You drop a scan and then a mule, revolutionary one might say (Artosis). So you spend the equivalent of an orbital command to cost. SOUNDS FAIR TO ME | ||
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
On May 03 2012 12:45 latan wrote: well then i guess then opponents will have to work a little harder to deny creep spread, which isn't even difficult anyway, or a big deal, i think. the observer change will help a bit as well. I dont think you understand. You can't "work a little harder" to counter a HUGE HUGE buff. It doesn't work. It's like saying: zergs will have to work a little harder to defend a 3 rax scv allin - they fucking can't, they just dont have the larva to make enough units at that point in time. Same way terran doesn't have enough units to cover every possible point where each of the 5-6 free tumors might spread next. You simply don't have _have_ enough units to be out on a map safely denying creep at your leisure, when zerg gets a 30 second lead start on the spread. Imagine a snowball going down the mountain. Every 50 ft it gains an extra 50 lbs of weight. You weigh 150 lbs. If before the snowball started at 150ft. up the mountain, so by the time it gets to you its 150 vs 150, now it starts 200 ft. above. You can try all you want, but the momentum is now 30% higher, and you will literally get rolled even if you "try a little harder" to stop it. I hope this analogy makes sense, even if the numbers dont. | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:13 Payson wrote: So it's okay for Terran to win 3 of the last 4 GSL titles while only one Protoss (Genius) even made it to that point and lost to DRG 4-2? Our last title win in GSL came from MC over a year ago in GSL March '11. We're having one really solid season because Protoss players are changing how they play the matchup and it's finally working in their favor. What happened this season with 5 Protoss in the ro8 won't happen again this year, I guarantee that. Genius threw the series by making carriers lolol Also, the only reason zerg beats protoss is because of brood lords. | ||
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Ace1123
Philippines1187 Posts
On May 03 2012 12:44 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Queen change is absolutely beyond disgusting. Overlord change is ok I guess, but I really dont think zergs have that hard of a time with dying to rushes....... Observer change is retarded wtf, they are already insanely quick to get with chronoboost wtf are you serious? A Pro-Player knows best Really Blizzard please don't do this :D | ||
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:17 Ace1123 wrote: A Pro-Player knows best Really Blizzard please don't do this :D Yes thats why they all agree  People should remember that this is them simply testing things out. If you don't like it go on the forums and tell them why so they can get some feedback (which is the whole point of this experiment). | ||
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mayneeahk
Canada279 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:13 IshinShishi wrote: Why not?You drop a scan and then a mule, revolutionary one might say (Artosis). I've done that before. Albeit, generally in a custom game. For instance, if its later into a team game and people aren't paying attention you can just scan then drop and take some minerals back to your base. The little things... | ||
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hordala
61 Posts
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Sadistx
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
Really, you're going to tell Jinro to use scans? ok. There's a huge gap in scouting between the first scv and your first 2 hellions. If you don't go hellions, you can't scout. If you waste a scan before 8 minutes and see nothing - you just put yourself behind. It's simple as that. | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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heaveshade
China330 Posts
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Kraznaya
United States3711 Posts
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magnaflow
Canada1521 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:19 TheRabidDeer wrote: You terrans would be better off complaining about not having anything for late game than you would about the queen change. You know your late game sucks and I know it. Figure something out and suggest it. Now is the time to be fixing your real issue rather than complaining about an imaginary one. They have been. I believe %90 of terran players would accept a early game nerf in exchange for a late game buff. This actually needs to happen. Terrran players are whining so much about the early game changes are for a reason. If you buff protoss and zerg early game you are in return nerfing terran early game , what are they left with after that? | ||
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shmee
United States28 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:24 Kraznaya wrote: Hmm... 33% for the queen buff, 67% against. I do wonder who the 33% are... They're zergs, obviously. The 67% against are cheesy toss and terran players who are mad they aren't getting a cookie, too. | ||
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Nibbler89
884 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:19 TheRabidDeer wrote: You terrans would be better off complaining about not having anything for late game than you would about the queen change. You know your late game sucks and I know it. Figure something out and suggest it. Now is the time to be fixing your real issue rather than complaining about an imaginary one. Thanks, we terrans will get right on that. Why didn't we terrans think about complaining about late game earlier. Ok time to figure this shit out and suggest something. "You protoss" are clearly much smarter than us terrans at innovating + Show Spoiler + We are concerned that protoss players seem to be having a slower start compared to zerg or terran players. For quite some time after StarCraft II was released, especially at the highest levels of professional play, protoss players were primarily only focusing on 1 base or 2 base warp gate all-ins. It was only after we toned down these builds that protoss players really started exploring their various tech options in the same way that the other two races have been doing for a long time. so could you maybe give us some other ideas? Your first one was already a great start, we'll stop complaining about queen change immediately since that will prevent our late game from being changed and is an imaginary problem anyways. | ||
Zelniq
United States7166 Posts
On May 03 2012 11:32 mTwTT1 wrote: zerg is already the best defencive race because of the larva inject mechanic, if u wanna make it easier for them to hold allins off just tweak the spine crawler build time.. why do they always try to overcomplicate everything? believe me, they have considered reducing the build time as they realize that it would fix a lot of issues for zerg, except for one silly, super-specific reason against it. they claim zvz fast pool, spine crawler rushes would be broken. i am actually a little skeptical now, as i mean cannons (which have the same life as a spine), build 10 seconds faster than spine crawlers and yet 3 drones attacking it soon after it starts building can kill it before it's halfway done. so yeah actually i dont agree that a 40 second spine crawler down from 50 seconds would screw up zvz at all actually. someone should talk to him about it. | ||
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
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TheRabidDeer
United States3806 Posts
On May 03 2012 13:27 Nibbler89 wrote: Thanks, we terrans will get right on that. Why didn't we terrans think about complaining about late game earlier. Ok time to figure this shit out and suggest something. "You protoss" are clearly much smarter than us terrans at innovating + Show Spoiler + We are concerned that protoss players seem to be having a slower start compared to zerg or terran players. For quite some time after StarCraft II was released, especially at the highest levels of professional play, protoss players were primarily only focusing on 1 base or 2 base warp gate all-ins. It was only after we toned down these builds that protoss players really started exploring their various tech options in the same way that the other two races have been doing for a long time. so could you maybe give us some other ideas? Your first one was already a great start, we'll stop complaining about queen change immediately since that will prevent our late game from being changed. I dont know what you can do, seeing as how I am a zerg. Maybe adjust psi storm such that it doesnt deal damage on impact allowing terrans to actually dodge damage? Maybe adjust colossus damage or health? Maybe make thor's/BC's viable somehow? | ||
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Omegalisk
United States337 Posts
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YyapSsap
New Zealand1511 Posts
Unless they do something about the lack of muscle from T (even by nerfing the marauder abit) for late game against both races (instead of referring back to the 50% "overall" winrate.. and ignoring how onesided late game scenarios are), these proposed changes are just over the top.. | ||
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