EPT-So if you have a problem with casters, support other ones, or start doing it yourself!!!
ClouD's World #1 - Caster/Player situation - Page 7
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TheCupholder
Canada58 Posts
-So if you have a problem with casters, support other ones, or start doing it yourself!!! | ||
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OzVelas
Bulgaria516 Posts
 . I only like artosis-tast apollo-tb and rott-bitter. | ||
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cybertopo
Spain525 Posts
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leperphilliac
United States399 Posts
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:07 Tassadarstarcraft2 wrote: no no and once again no cloud is awesome for talking about problems in e-sports and as darkforce said, not everyone is doing that! maybe so but at the same time, cloud has put 0 effort in to marketing himself and is complaining about people who do market themselves. this isnt a problem with esports, its a fact of business. you think the richest teams in the world are always the best? hardly. most of the time they are all about marketing themselves, and people like cloud sit on their chairs complaining about it as if its ever gonna change. if he wants to get paid more he needs to be worth more. when was he last on sotg? or kings of tin? where are his interviews during events? why does he post his thoughts on some other site and then not bother to cross post to TL, leaving it to some fan to draw in new viewers. he isnt even trying to make more money for himself but he wants to complain about people who do. people like to bitch at incontrol about spending too much time on shows and shit, but the fact is that incontrol probably puts in more hours into a "career" than cloud does, and gets paid more accordingly. cloud may or may not spend more time on SC than incontrol but the total time invested is much higher by EG players. On May 02 2012 02:12 leperphilliac wrote: I see a lot of "personally" "in my opinion" and "I think" in this thread, which is baaad. How can we claim to know the motivations of a person who we haven't even met yet? Yeah sure many myself included do have biases for and against certain casters, but to judge them without even knowing them apart from their public persona is just wrong. you would prefer we say "i know this other person thinks this" ? | ||
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Befree
695 Posts
I also must agree that at times I am simply baffled by the lack of understanding of casters. It doesn't make me turn off the cast or anything, but it just annoys me in that I find it so confusing as to why they do not know more. I just cannot understand how you can watch hours of games a week and [maybe?] play the game and still be ignorant. As I listen to the casts, sometimes I just sit there and get so distracted by the questions going through my head on how could someone possibly learn so little? How could someone specialized in such a specific field have so little actual specialization in it? I've always been more of a viewer than a player, and within the last year my games played is very low, and during a long period I didn't even watch any SC2. But yet somehow I am able to have a better understanding than people whose jobs are solely devoted to commentating on this game for 2 years? I wonder how can this be. Do they specifically try to remain ignorant? Do they dumb down their casts purposely? I'm sure that they must have a brain that is perfectly fine and their learning ability should be just fine, so why? Why are they not knowledgeable? This is my biggest annoyance in watching casts, being frustrated with questions of how could they not know more. -- Another part of all this I think lies with teams not promoting their players well enough. If you notice EG and Liquid games, you'll see they always get a lot higher viewership. People really seem to care about those players. Is it because they're specifically that much better than everyone else? Not really. It's because we actually are able to feel like we know them and we start to care about how they do. When you look at a lot of other teams out there, most people really have no idea about those players aside from a few tidbits on their race and style. There's no narrative to lots of these other teams, no reason for anyone to care about whether they win. I think tournaments, casters, team managers, and players all need to work toward creating a feeling of a more personal connection for fans with their players. | ||
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LeafBlower
United States115 Posts
Overall it seems like there are 3 distinctive types of casters. Those who are really insightful and passionate (artosis, tasteless, apollo, bitterdam, etc), those who are passionate and try hard but aren't really knowledgeable (catspajamas), and then people who don't give a shit and just do it for publicity/money (painuser/orb). Luckily I think most people who don't give a shit about casting professionally don't get paid too much, which like ClouD said would be really bad. | ||
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socommaster123
United States578 Posts
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Adebisi
Canada1637 Posts
Overall it seems like there are 3 distinctive types of casters. Those who are really insightful and passionate (artosis, tasteless, apollo, bitterdam, etc), those who are passionate and try hard but aren't really knowledgeable (catspajamas), and then people who don't give a shit and just do it for publicity/money (painuser/orb). Pretty sure the people you list as doing casting for the money/publicity would make more money flipping burgers at McDonalds.... | ||
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Littlemuff
United Kingdom301 Posts
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Paramo
Mexico138 Posts
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Ricemagical
270 Posts
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S_SienZ
1878 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:36 Littlemuff wrote: Tasteless is the only one that i dont think should be in the position he is. Think it was on the 2GD show where 2GD was talking to Incontrol about how Tasteless doesnt know much about the game. Incontrol said something like its Tasteless role is to ask Artosis questions. So lets put it into perspective. Tasteless gets sent around the world, earns enough money to sustain himself in another country, just to ask Artosis questions on stream. Dont get me wrong, TB is similar by not knowing much about the game and sometimes says stupid things, but atleast he does tons loads for the players and the community. To be fair though, most of the time he only does that because he realises Artosis knows more about the game than him. He seems to cast in a fairly different style with other casters, a rare occurrence in itself so it's hard to show. | ||
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Fym
United Kingdom189 Posts
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Ricemagical
270 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:46 Fym wrote: just wait for the broodwar pros to dominate, then their winnings will be way higher than casters That would mean that the current pros would have an even harder time sustaining themselves D; | ||
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InVerno
258 Posts
\not Well. I see no mentions about nohands-protoss-players. Seems a sort of improvement. | ||
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saynomore
Norway149 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:27 Befree wrote: While I don't usually like complaining, I like his honesty and I think that its valuable to the community to have players speak their mind. I also must agree that at times I am simply baffled by the lack of understanding of casters. It doesn't make me turn off the cast or anything, but it just annoys me in that I find it so confusing as to why they do not know more. I have been muting most streams for a year or so now. It is really depressing how bad most casters are. Apollo is the only good or even remotely decent as a caster outside of the GSL. GSL Code A and GSTL is the few streams I dont mute the casters on now days, as tasteless is so depressingly bad. At least watching Wolf and Apollo in the last Dreamhack was a little bit of fresh air. Two commentators who are actually decent casting together, a rare sight in pro SC2 unfortunately. Watching Khaldor and Artosis cast the Code S matches was the best cast I have heard in ages. I wish most casters stepped up their game and had more than platinum level of understanding. And no, being a play-by-play commentator is not an excuse for lack of knowledge or insight into the game. On May 02 2012 02:31 LeafBlower wrote: Overall it seems like there are 3 distinctive types of casters. Those who are really insightful and passionate (artosis, tasteless, apollo, bitterdam, etc) Oh wow. Dont make me laugh. Have you heard his cast the last 4 months? Maybe back in Open season 1-3 he was decent. Now he is utterly terrible and it is clear that he have no insight about the game, at all. I cant say I am afraid that he will steal my ladder points anymore to say it that way. | ||
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LeafBlower
United States115 Posts
On May 02 2012 02:36 Adebisi wrote: Pretty sure the people you list as doing casting for the money/publicity would make more money flipping burgers at McDonalds.... I agree, but it seems as if their intentions are to make a quick and easy buck off of it. If that is the case they shouldn't be hired for any type of casting work. It kind of insults the people like khaldor who actually spend up to 8 hours a day learning the game, doing stuff to promote themselves, and consider it a "real job". Although i could be completely wrong about painuser, he could just be asked to do these small one time casting events and say "why not?". However, large companies should really consider using different people as he is a horrible caster imo. He basically just laughs all the time at stupid things and makes really bad jokes while primarily doing a play by play summary of what's going on. | ||
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nemonic
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A-BomB
Ireland79 Posts
heres what i think in order of preference THE GOOD CASTERS Grubby Rotterdam Artosis Dapollo Wolf Incontrol khaldor Total biscuit THE "I WILL TOLERATE YOU CASTERS" CASTERS DJWheat day9 MRBitter Gretorb THE BAD CASTERS tasteless ( im sorry) DOA Painuser CatsPajamas that guy with gretorb HD ORB EDIT:forgot to put JP at the botom of the list,well i guess he beats rob simpson THE OMG WTF GET OUT OF ESPORTS CASTERS ROB SIMPSON ROB SIMPSON ROB SIMPSON User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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