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On May 01 2012 05:59 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 05:54 Liquid`NonY wrote:On May 01 2012 05:49 MrBitter wrote:
lol...
this thread gets more posts in an hour than our live reports... Don't tell the community they're bigger fans of stuff outside the game than the game itself. I did it once. I barely survived. Perhaps all of the negative feedback from player to pro is based on sarcastic remarks? I have yet to insult any professional player, and/or caster I even refrain usually from making fun of Blizzard employee's until Mr. Kim decided "imbalanced maps make the game more fun" and that crossed the line... Constantly you have been labeling me, and the community as these stereotypical idiot trolls... I'm sorry, but myself personally, cannot agree with that. I have supported you as a professional player, and for the past 2 years in your horrendous slump I have always said "Nony's gonna come back" and I've been a loyal fan... You have continually been arrogant and rude, for no reason at all, and as I've said before you really just won't care, but I am no longer a fan... I tried to make this thread as unbias as possible, that doesn't matter... Perhaps instead of condeming the community as a group that "are bigger fans of stuff outside the game than the game itself" you should perhaps invest your time in "the game itself, instead of stuff outside the game" to perhaps improve... But what do I know, I'm not a professional player, so probably nothing.
Uhhh...what?
What prompted this kind of defensive response in the context of Nony's comment? I haven't seen Nony say anything in this thread about you personally being an idiot troll. The rest of your comments regarding Nony's play are unwarranted and far outside the scope of the discussion you created.
He's responded to your points concisely and eloquently. I don't understand what prompts this vitriol.
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On May 01 2012 06:04 kuroshiro wrote:
I thought that spot was pretty good.
Your points:
"-She seems to be reading a script she doesn't understand"
I know that's been debunked but the implication was that she was speaking uncomfortably, which I didn't detect beyond the standard non-native speaker thing.
"-She does not analyse the things she is discussing well"
If that's the case it went totally over my head. I'm gold-> plat league so maybe I don't know better, but it's sure given me what look like some fun ideas to practice. Maybe the spot just isn't aimed any higher. I certainly think it would be difficult to do so within 4 minutes, including the lore stuff, which as it happens I enjoyed (mostly because of the drawings).
That's my opinion at least!
Putting on my INTARNET SAICOLOGY hat: This thread is framed in a really `drama' fashion. Constantly being on the defensive and bringing up how this thread IS NOT about sexism only brings the sexism argument out of the background. If you have a valid point to make that's not related to sexism then just.. you know.. make it. And if it's valid or worth arguing over people will do so. Some asshats will bring up the sexism thing, but we ignore those guys. Cause they're asshats.
I'll take your advice because of the nice hat, no, really though, I do agree with what your saying related to the sexism argument and I guess the best action would be to simply not reply.
On your ideas, what did you, as a gold player, really get? I also agree I loved the lore, but I worry players perhaps even lower leveled than gold, will now just say "sentry immo +2 stalker maybe blink timing? ok I'll use it" and just barrel in and say "fuck why didn't I understand it clearer" but perhaps I was being to analytical.
On May 01 2012 06:06 AzurewinD wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 05:59 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 01 2012 05:54 Liquid`NonY wrote:On May 01 2012 05:49 MrBitter wrote:
lol...
this thread gets more posts in an hour than our live reports... Don't tell the community they're bigger fans of stuff outside the game than the game itself. I did it once. I barely survived. Perhaps all of the negative feedback from player to pro is based on sarcastic remarks? I have yet to insult any professional player, and/or caster I even refrain usually from making fun of Blizzard employee's until Mr. Kim decided "imbalanced maps make the game more fun" and that crossed the line... Constantly you have been labeling me, and the community as these stereotypical idiot trolls... I'm sorry, but myself personally, cannot agree with that. I have supported you as a professional player, and for the past 2 years in your horrendous slump I have always said "Nony's gonna come back" and I've been a loyal fan... You have continually been arrogant and rude, for no reason at all, and as I've said before you really just won't care, but I am no longer a fan... I tried to make this thread as unbias as possible, that doesn't matter... Perhaps instead of condeming the community as a group that "are bigger fans of stuff outside the game than the game itself" you should perhaps invest your time in "the game itself, instead of stuff outside the game" to perhaps improve... But what do I know, I'm not a professional player, so probably nothing. Uhhh...what? What prompted this kind of defensive response in the context of Nony's comment? I haven't seen Nony say anything in this thread about you personally being an idiot troll. The rest of your comments regarding Nony's play are unwarranted and far outside the scope of the discussion you created. He's responded to your points concisely and eloquently. I don't understand what prompts this vitriol.
And to let you guys in on a secret, pros laugh at and insult and shit on the opinions of hardcore players/fans posting on forums just as much as hardcore players posting on forums might shit on the strategical insight offered by this clip.
^ above quote was the main reason I began getting upset... His first and third posts were very to the point, but his 2nd and fourth were only mean't in rude ways... I doubt the "pros laugh at and insult and shit on opinions of hardcore players/fans" was mean't in a joking manner...
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On May 01 2012 06:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:04 kuroshiro wrote:
I thought that spot was pretty good.
Your points:
"-She seems to be reading a script she doesn't understand"
I know that's been debunked but the implication was that she was speaking uncomfortably, which I didn't detect beyond the standard non-native speaker thing.
"-She does not analyse the things she is discussing well"
If that's the case it went totally over my head. I'm gold-> plat league so maybe I don't know better, but it's sure given me what look like some fun ideas to practice. Maybe the spot just isn't aimed any higher. I certainly think it would be difficult to do so within 4 minutes, including the lore stuff, which as it happens I enjoyed (mostly because of the drawings).
That's my opinion at least!
Putting on my INTARNET SAICOLOGY hat: This thread is framed in a really `drama' fashion. Constantly being on the defensive and bringing up how this thread IS NOT about sexism only brings the sexism argument out of the background. If you have a valid point to make that's not related to sexism then just.. you know.. make it. And if it's valid or worth arguing over people will do so. Some asshats will bring up the sexism thing, but we ignore those guys. Cause they're asshats. I'll take your advice because of the nice hat, no, really though, I do agree with what your saying related to the sexism argument and I guess the best action would be to simply not reply. On your ideas, what did you, as a gold player, really get? I also agree I loved the lore, but I worry players perhaps even lower leveled than gold, will now just say "sentry immo +2 stalker maybe blink timing? ok I'll use it" and just barrel in and say "fuck why didn't I understand it clearer" but perhaps I was being to analytical.
I mean it's not the end of the world if a player tries a sentry immortal push with +2 weapons, gets stomped and tries to find a way to make it work...
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And to let you guys in on a secret, pros laugh at and insult and shit on the opinions of hardcore players/fans posting on forums just as much as hardcore players posting on forums might shit on the strategical insight offered by this clip.
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^ above quote was the main reason I began getting upset... His first and third posts were very to the point, but his 2nd and fourth were only mean't in rude ways... I doubt the "pros laugh at and insult and shit on opinions of hardcore players/fans" was mean't in a joking manner...
Have you ever listened to him on SotG? I really just took it as him being blunt. I really don't think he meant to be insulting. The burden of communicating on the internet of course.
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On May 01 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:
I mean it's not the end of the world if a player tries a sentry immortal push with +2 weapons, gets stomped and tries to find a way to make it work...
Exactly. A major problem with bronze/silver players, is that they wanna turtle a lot. A bronze player may see this and think... "Oh so force fields are useful while attacking, not just defending? Oh I'm supposed to do a timing attack when I get upgrades? Makes sense!"
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On May 01 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 01 2012 06:04 kuroshiro wrote:
I thought that spot was pretty good.
Your points:
"-She seems to be reading a script she doesn't understand"
I know that's been debunked but the implication was that she was speaking uncomfortably, which I didn't detect beyond the standard non-native speaker thing.
"-She does not analyse the things she is discussing well"
If that's the case it went totally over my head. I'm gold-> plat league so maybe I don't know better, but it's sure given me what look like some fun ideas to practice. Maybe the spot just isn't aimed any higher. I certainly think it would be difficult to do so within 4 minutes, including the lore stuff, which as it happens I enjoyed (mostly because of the drawings).
That's my opinion at least!
Putting on my INTARNET SAICOLOGY hat: This thread is framed in a really `drama' fashion. Constantly being on the defensive and bringing up how this thread IS NOT about sexism only brings the sexism argument out of the background. If you have a valid point to make that's not related to sexism then just.. you know.. make it. And if it's valid or worth arguing over people will do so. Some asshats will bring up the sexism thing, but we ignore those guys. Cause they're asshats. I'll take your advice because of the nice hat, no, really though, I do agree with what your saying related to the sexism argument and I guess the best action would be to simply not reply. On your ideas, what did you, as a gold player, really get? I also agree I loved the lore, but I worry players perhaps even lower leveled than gold, will now just say "sentry immo +2 stalker maybe blink timing? ok I'll use it" and just barrel in and say "fuck why didn't I understand it clearer" but perhaps I was being to analytical. I mean it's not the end of the world if a player tries a sentry immortal push with +2 weapons, gets stomped and tries to find a way to make it work... Show nested quote +
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And to let you guys in on a secret, pros laugh at and insult and shit on the opinions of hardcore players/fans posting on forums just as much as hardcore players posting on forums might shit on the strategical insight offered by this clip.
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^ above quote was the main reason I began getting upset... His first and third posts were very to the point, but his 2nd and fourth were only mean't in rude ways... I doubt the "pros laugh at and insult and shit on opinions of hardcore players/fans" was mean't in a joking manner...
Have you ever listened to him on SotG? I really just took it as him being blunt. I really don't think he meant to be insulting. The burden of communicating on the internet of course.
This has strayed off topic, partly due to my own fault, let's let bygones be bygones then if that is how it was mean't.
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On May 01 2012 06:15 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:On May 01 2012 06:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 01 2012 06:04 kuroshiro wrote:
I thought that spot was pretty good.
Your points:
"-She seems to be reading a script she doesn't understand"
I know that's been debunked but the implication was that she was speaking uncomfortably, which I didn't detect beyond the standard non-native speaker thing.
"-She does not analyse the things she is discussing well"
If that's the case it went totally over my head. I'm gold-> plat league so maybe I don't know better, but it's sure given me what look like some fun ideas to practice. Maybe the spot just isn't aimed any higher. I certainly think it would be difficult to do so within 4 minutes, including the lore stuff, which as it happens I enjoyed (mostly because of the drawings).
That's my opinion at least!
Putting on my INTARNET SAICOLOGY hat: This thread is framed in a really `drama' fashion. Constantly being on the defensive and bringing up how this thread IS NOT about sexism only brings the sexism argument out of the background. If you have a valid point to make that's not related to sexism then just.. you know.. make it. And if it's valid or worth arguing over people will do so. Some asshats will bring up the sexism thing, but we ignore those guys. Cause they're asshats. I'll take your advice because of the nice hat, no, really though, I do agree with what your saying related to the sexism argument and I guess the best action would be to simply not reply. On your ideas, what did you, as a gold player, really get? I also agree I loved the lore, but I worry players perhaps even lower leveled than gold, will now just say "sentry immo +2 stalker maybe blink timing? ok I'll use it" and just barrel in and say "fuck why didn't I understand it clearer" but perhaps I was being to analytical. I mean it's not the end of the world if a player tries a sentry immortal push with +2 weapons, gets stomped and tries to find a way to make it work...
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And to let you guys in on a secret, pros laugh at and insult and shit on the opinions of hardcore players/fans posting on forums just as much as hardcore players posting on forums might shit on the strategical insight offered by this clip.
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^ above quote was the main reason I began getting upset... His first and third posts were very to the point, but his 2nd and fourth were only mean't in rude ways... I doubt the "pros laugh at and insult and shit on opinions of hardcore players/fans" was mean't in a joking manner...
Have you ever listened to him on SotG? I really just took it as him being blunt. I really don't think he meant to be insulting. The burden of communicating on the internet of course. This has strayed off topic, partly due to my own fault, let's let bygones be bygones then if that is how it was mean't.
^^ No worries. Hopefully this has been good feedback for NASL!
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EDIT: Not going to contribute to letting this go off topic any further.
Nony wasn't being offensive. Don't take it personally.
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On May 01 2012 06:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:Show nested quote +And to let you guys in on a secret, pros laugh at and insult and shit on the opinions of hardcore players/fans posting on forums just as much as hardcore players posting on forums might shit on the strategical insight offered by this clip. ^ above quote was the main reason I began getting upset... His first and third posts were very to the point, but his 2nd and fourth were only mean't in rude ways... I doubt the "pros laugh at and insult and shit on opinions of hardcore players/fans" was mean't in a joking manner...
But it is a valid point, and really no reason to get upset. It only says that starcraft is a game of enough skill gap to have some strategic observations seem useful to some while completely pointless and ridiculous to others. You can't explain to a beginner what is intended for the ears of a pro. We are somewhere in between those extremes and shouldn't judge it too harshly when someone makes points too shallow for our level. Had the stratetic advice been directed to someone our level, it would go over the head of someone else, and still be shallow and pointless to yet others.
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On May 01 2012 05:49 MrBitter wrote:
lol...
this thread gets more posts in an hour than our live reports...
We're all to busy ROLFing from your casts ^_^
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On May 01 2012 06:16 mordek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 06:15 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 01 2012 06:12 mordek wrote:On May 01 2012 06:08 NeMeSiS3 wrote:On May 01 2012 06:04 kuroshiro wrote:
I thought that spot was pretty good.
Your points:
"-She seems to be reading a script she doesn't understand"
I know that's been debunked but the implication was that she was speaking uncomfortably, which I didn't detect beyond the standard non-native speaker thing.
"-She does not analyse the things she is discussing well"
If that's the case it went totally over my head. I'm gold-> plat league so maybe I don't know better, but it's sure given me what look like some fun ideas to practice. Maybe the spot just isn't aimed any higher. I certainly think it would be difficult to do so within 4 minutes, including the lore stuff, which as it happens I enjoyed (mostly because of the drawings).
That's my opinion at least!
Putting on my INTARNET SAICOLOGY hat: This thread is framed in a really `drama' fashion. Constantly being on the defensive and bringing up how this thread IS NOT about sexism only brings the sexism argument out of the background. If you have a valid point to make that's not related to sexism then just.. you know.. make it. And if it's valid or worth arguing over people will do so. Some asshats will bring up the sexism thing, but we ignore those guys. Cause they're asshats. I'll take your advice because of the nice hat, no, really though, I do agree with what your saying related to the sexism argument and I guess the best action would be to simply not reply. On your ideas, what did you, as a gold player, really get? I also agree I loved the lore, but I worry players perhaps even lower leveled than gold, will now just say "sentry immo +2 stalker maybe blink timing? ok I'll use it" and just barrel in and say "fuck why didn't I understand it clearer" but perhaps I was being to analytical. I mean it's not the end of the world if a player tries a sentry immortal push with +2 weapons, gets stomped and tries to find a way to make it work...
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And to let you guys in on a secret, pros laugh at and insult and shit on the opinions of hardcore players/fans posting on forums just as much as hardcore players posting on forums might shit on the strategical insight offered by this clip.
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^ above quote was the main reason I began getting upset... His first and third posts were very to the point, but his 2nd and fourth were only mean't in rude ways... I doubt the "pros laugh at and insult and shit on opinions of hardcore players/fans" was mean't in a joking manner...
Have you ever listened to him on SotG? I really just took it as him being blunt. I really don't think he meant to be insulting. The burden of communicating on the internet of course. This has strayed off topic, partly due to my own fault, let's let bygones be bygones then if that is how it was mean't. ^^ No worries. Hopefully this has been good feedback for NASL!
Hopefully, but I just hope it wasn't taken in a extremely poor light, hell I only posted this to help improve through how I viewed it... I wasn't sitting in my chair, "bastards think they can have a good season! muhaahah I shall god damn bring them down post by post!" I really enjoy this season, in fact, I was debating on not watching NASL this season but they stepped the bar up extremely high compared to the previous.
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Oh dude that segment was awesome! A+ :D.
Pretty nifty history on the sentry too. I barely remember when it was called the nullifier, and I would personally love to be able to lift units w/ the sentry LOL. I wonder if you could go zealot sentry all game long in PvZ hahaha :D.
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On May 01 2012 04:58 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2012 04:46 JOJOsc2news wrote:
I find the wording in the OP quite condescending and the points aren't necessarily backed up very well.
However, I do see where you are coming from. The first episode did come across as a little awkward and the concept behind it didn't seem to be clear (the build order part was unnecessary and the segment didn't really seem like a "How To Do: X Build"). I really wouldn't want this segment to be cut though. Soe is a really cool person and once she gets comfortable I think it is going to be amazing. I wouldn't mind seeing a few more drawings/paintings and maybe less script. It will get more natural and I do think it's a great idea to pick out very specific aspects of StarCraft II and shine a light on them.
I also like the idea of producing side content around the pure casting. It's entertaining and really makes for a great viewing experience.
NASL seems to be scripting a lot of the side content. I don't like that. Have faith in your presenters and give them more freedom. We dont script it at all. You do mean "the side content" (as in Gretorp's or Bitterdam's jokes), not Soe's Corner, right?
Because if Soe (or anyone, really) speaks with such great historical detail just off the top of her head, I suggest they invite her to cast the GSL. :D
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I don't quite get your point...
Are you expecting her to put a detailed analysis of the sentry in every three matchups in <5 minutes? It is just a piece of fluffy content between matches. Keep in mind, that she has to cope to the audience (mainly "casuals") and she is very limited timewise .
It feels a bit like you are just trying to get some drama going, when there really is nothing major to talk/argue about.
Also your personal beef with nony does not belong in this thread.
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On May 01 2012 06:21 Day[9] wrote:
Oh dude that segment was awesome! A+ :D.
Pretty nifty history on the sentry too. I barely remember when it was called the nullifier, and I would personally love to be able to lift units w/ the sentry LOL. I wonder if you could go zealot sentry all game long in PvZ hahaha :D.
I wish I could go back and alter the way I posted it, it wasn't that the entire show wasn't good... I suppose you're the expert on everything eSport, what is your take on the specific portion of build discussion and how it relates to lower level players? Most people have generally said that, it is fine for low leagues, but I still hold my reservations especially from wtaching enough of your dailies way back in BW when I went from D- to B in a matter of months, where you said the biggest problem was getting a build order when your learning (or at least a major issue) and having no execution or endgoal (midgame) to look at, which is what was given.
So I suppose, what is your take on the build discussion.
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day9 is biased, cause it's Soe :D
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On May 01 2012 06:28 qqK wrote:
day9 is biased, cause it's Soe :D
Now now, I doubt that! 
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I like the artwork too. It's a fun lighthearted interesting segment that helps attract newer viewers, what's not to love?
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On May 01 2012 06:21 Day[9] wrote:
Oh dude that segment was awesome! A+ :D.
Pretty nifty history on the sentry too. I barely remember when it was called the nullifier, and I would personally love to be able to lift units w/ the sentry LOL. I wonder if you could go zealot sentry all game long in PvZ hahaha :D.
You're the best.
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Well I didn't know any of that history about the sentry, but imagine if Protoss had a tier 1 unit that could cloak other units.
Also I can't get over her accent, its like a mix of the normal German person speaking English accent and a cockney accent.
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Korea (South)17174 Posts
Cons:
-She does not analyse the things she is discussing well
well in that case she shares something in common with a majority of the sc2 casters so you should probably complain about that instead of some random NASL segments
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