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On April 20 2012 07:33 MonkSEA wrote:
I don't get why Stephano is all the rave and worshipped so heavily.
Don't get me wrong, I'd put him in the top two foreigner with Naniwa easily, but his constant no-shows, his lack of dedication to what basically is his job, and just the general attitude he gives when he does something that is wrong. I'm utterly confused as to why people think his the bees knees, but I guess each to their own.
With that being said, I don't think his going to succeed too far in the GSL based on what Koreans have said. He is able to take games and potentially sets, but as most people have stated, once they get used to his play style he'll drop out like he did in the Cup. Now you can say 'oh but he was xx GM in korea' yeah that's cool and all, except for the sole factor that GM means nothing. Everyone knows Stephano is good his mechanics and responses are extremely tight and spot on, but I don't think his style of play will allow him to progress in the GSL as his opponents have an ample amount of time to study Stephano, and as most pro's have said already(which I keep having to repeat since it is so important) once you figure out Stephano's play style his not as big of a threat as if you didn't have any research on him. Once a player can dissect Stephano's play style, and abuse the weakness of Stephano then he'll just drop. Most people in the GSL are on a pro team with a coach who will help analyse players for them and point out weakness in their play, and the weaknesses the player has against the opponent.
So pretty much, Stephano is going to show some games where his opponents completely forgot or abstained on researching Stephano thus going to get pulverized, then there's the players that did, and will make it look like a fair match or potentially even one sided in their favour. But I do think it's not far-fetched to say that Stephano has some of the best mechanics right now, I do think it's far-fetched to call him a Code S player despite not actually participating in GSL yet. GSL is a completely different tournament to foreign and online tournaments. Let time speak for itself rather then jumping the gun.
Stephano is still able to beat Koreans as displayed at IPL4. He won IPL3 6 months ago. All this talk about being figured out is nonsense as it still has not happened 6 months down the line. Like many players Stephano is capable of improving and changing his game. Having team-mates who support a player by giving practise games and help analyse an opponents play-style says nothing about a players skill-level. That is all about having a better support network. That helps in the GSL of course. Maybe Stephano will develop a network of supporting players too. Obviously Stephano is a Code S Level Player. He has beaten many players who have played in Code S and some of these players are on the record as stating he is a Code S Level Player. I am not saying he is going to win GSL or even come close but he can certainly beat Code S players.
Naniwa is a Code S Level Player too. He did not suddenly double his skill level in the last ten days. Going to Korea helps a player to improve their level of play. It has happened to Naniwa. Squirtle and Ace helped increase Naniwa's understanding of SC2. Huk improved too in Korea. Numerous foreigners go to Korea because doing so can help them get better at SC2. There is no reason why Stephano cannot improve too once he is in Korea and has a higher level of opponents to practice against. All this talk about Stephano getting figured out is just based on something Idra said around IPL3. However Idra now acknowledges how good Stephano is and that he is here and making an impact in the metagame. Imagine how good Stephano could be if he started adopting Korean habits of hard-training and detailed analysis of opponents. Stephano could potentially improve quite a bit.
The fact is that people have been dismissing Stephano since he first emerged. There is a thread about his ladder run and it contains posts in which doubters have made various claims about Stephano being nothing special and soon to be found out. Reading that thread now is hilarious. Your post is just a continuation of those doubters claims.
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Stephano has so much potential, I can't wait until I get to see more of his games.
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On April 20 2012 10:11 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 07:33 MonkSEA wrote:
I don't get why Stephano is all the rave and worshipped so heavily.
Don't get me wrong, I'd put him in the top two foreigner with Naniwa easily, but his constant no-shows, his lack of dedication to what basically is his job, and just the general attitude he gives when he does something that is wrong. I'm utterly confused as to why people think his the bees knees, but I guess each to their own.
With that being said, I don't think his going to succeed too far in the GSL based on what Koreans have said. He is able to take games and potentially sets, but as most people have stated, once they get used to his play style he'll drop out like he did in the Cup. Now you can say 'oh but he was xx GM in korea' yeah that's cool and all, except for the sole factor that GM means nothing. Everyone knows Stephano is good his mechanics and responses are extremely tight and spot on, but I don't think his style of play will allow him to progress in the GSL as his opponents have an ample amount of time to study Stephano, and as most pro's have said already(which I keep having to repeat since it is so important) once you figure out Stephano's play style his not as big of a threat as if you didn't have any research on him. Once a player can dissect Stephano's play style, and abuse the weakness of Stephano then he'll just drop. Most people in the GSL are on a pro team with a coach who will help analyse players for them and point out weakness in their play, and the weaknesses the player has against the opponent.
So pretty much, Stephano is going to show some games where his opponents completely forgot or abstained on researching Stephano thus going to get pulverized, then there's the players that did, and will make it look like a fair match or potentially even one sided in their favour. But I do think it's not far-fetched to say that Stephano has some of the best mechanics right now, I do think it's far-fetched to call him a Code S player despite not actually participating in GSL yet. GSL is a completely different tournament to foreign and online tournaments. Let time speak for itself rather then jumping the gun. Stephano is still able to beat Koreans as displayed at IPL4. He won IPL3 6 months ago. All this talk about being figured out is nonsense as it still has not happened 6 months down the line. Like many players Stephano is capable of improving and changing his game. Having team-mates who support a player by giving practise games and help analyse an opponents play-style says nothing about a players skill-level. That is all about having a better support network. That helps in the GSL of course. Maybe Stephano will develop a network of supporting players too. Obviously Stephano is a Code S Level Player. He has beaten many players who have played in Code S and some of these players are on the record as stating he is a Code S Level Player. Naniwa is a Code S Level Player too. He did not suddenly double his skill level in the last ten days. Going to Korea helps a player to improve their level of play. It has happened to Naniwa. Squirtle and Ace helped increase Naniwa's understanding of SC2. Huk improved too in Korea. Numerous foreigners go to Korea because doing so can help them get better at SC2. There is no reason why Stephano cannot improve too once he is in Korea and has a higher level of opponents to practice against. All this talk about Stephano getting figured out is just based on something Idra said around IPL3. However Idra now acknowledges how good Stephano is and that he is here and making an impact in the metagame. The fact is that people have been dismissing Stephano since he first emerged. There is a thread about his ladder run and it contains posts in which doubters have made various claims about Stephano being nothing special and soon to be found out. Reading that thread now is hilarious. Your post is just a continuation of those doubters claims.
imo with all the team partnerships and all the tournaments going around now and the level of foreigners being higher and how pretty mcuh everyone is on korean ladder anyway saying someone will improve drastically by going to kroea jsut isnt that true anymore
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Stephano/Naniwa/Huk. Pretty beastly non-Korean lineup right there. But I do wonder where the non-Korean Terrans are hiding? They should step up (maybe Illusion has it in him, I dunno).
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The main advantage Stephano gets from going to Korea is seeing how Koreans play. He's a player who adapts very fast - he loses to build orders he hasn't seen before, but then adapts to it and doesn't lose to it twice. His major opponents going forward in big tournaments are going to be Koreans -> it helps to know how they play.
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On April 20 2012 10:28 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 10:11 revel8 wrote:On April 20 2012 07:33 MonkSEA wrote:
I don't get why Stephano is all the rave and worshipped so heavily.
Don't get me wrong, I'd put him in the top two foreigner with Naniwa easily, but his constant no-shows, his lack of dedication to what basically is his job, and just the general attitude he gives when he does something that is wrong. I'm utterly confused as to why people think his the bees knees, but I guess each to their own.
With that being said, I don't think his going to succeed too far in the GSL based on what Koreans have said. He is able to take games and potentially sets, but as most people have stated, once they get used to his play style he'll drop out like he did in the Cup. Now you can say 'oh but he was xx GM in korea' yeah that's cool and all, except for the sole factor that GM means nothing. Everyone knows Stephano is good his mechanics and responses are extremely tight and spot on, but I don't think his style of play will allow him to progress in the GSL as his opponents have an ample amount of time to study Stephano, and as most pro's have said already(which I keep having to repeat since it is so important) once you figure out Stephano's play style his not as big of a threat as if you didn't have any research on him. Once a player can dissect Stephano's play style, and abuse the weakness of Stephano then he'll just drop. Most people in the GSL are on a pro team with a coach who will help analyse players for them and point out weakness in their play, and the weaknesses the player has against the opponent.
So pretty much, Stephano is going to show some games where his opponents completely forgot or abstained on researching Stephano thus going to get pulverized, then there's the players that did, and will make it look like a fair match or potentially even one sided in their favour. But I do think it's not far-fetched to say that Stephano has some of the best mechanics right now, I do think it's far-fetched to call him a Code S player despite not actually participating in GSL yet. GSL is a completely different tournament to foreign and online tournaments. Let time speak for itself rather then jumping the gun. Stephano is still able to beat Koreans as displayed at IPL4. He won IPL3 6 months ago. All this talk about being figured out is nonsense as it still has not happened 6 months down the line. Like many players Stephano is capable of improving and changing his game. Having team-mates who support a player by giving practise games and help analyse an opponents play-style says nothing about a players skill-level. That is all about having a better support network. That helps in the GSL of course. Maybe Stephano will develop a network of supporting players too. Obviously Stephano is a Code S Level Player. He has beaten many players who have played in Code S and some of these players are on the record as stating he is a Code S Level Player. Naniwa is a Code S Level Player too. He did not suddenly double his skill level in the last ten days. Going to Korea helps a player to improve their level of play. It has happened to Naniwa. Squirtle and Ace helped increase Naniwa's understanding of SC2. Huk improved too in Korea. Numerous foreigners go to Korea because doing so can help them get better at SC2. There is no reason why Stephano cannot improve too once he is in Korea and has a higher level of opponents to practice against. All this talk about Stephano getting figured out is just based on something Idra said around IPL3. However Idra now acknowledges how good Stephano is and that he is here and making an impact in the metagame. The fact is that people have been dismissing Stephano since he first emerged. There is a thread about his ladder run and it contains posts in which doubters have made various claims about Stephano being nothing special and soon to be found out. Reading that thread now is hilarious. Your post is just a continuation of those doubters claims. imo with all the team partnerships and all the tournaments going around now and the level of foreigners being higher and how pretty mcuh everyone is on korean ladder anyway saying someone will improve drastically by going to kroea jsut isnt that true anymore
Do Idra, Huk and Naniwa agree with you? Do NightEnd, Sase and Morrow agree with you? They have all gone to Korea and expect it to improve them. Are you saying they have got it all wrong and will never improve? Stephano does not play on the Korean Ladder currently. He only did during his stint in December while in Korea. Numerous Pro players are on the record as stating that playing on Korean Ladder helps improve a player. Are you saying that this is wrong and that this does not happen? Are you saying that only Stephano will fail to improve by playing on Korean Ladder?
Please explain why all these pros I mentioned should listen to you and not bother going to Korea to improve. I am curious to know. I am no expert myself, but it seems that these Foreign Pros are going to Korea with an expectation that doing so is beneficial to them. I assume that they know what they are doing. Are you saying they are mistaken and I should be listening to you instead of them?
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Dear Stephano,
The world love you. Rock on...rock on.
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Very nice! Stephano fighting!
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Naniwa must have inspired him.
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What if he flops? Naniwa like 0-11 lol
No surprise to see him go far in GSL if he participates. Wonder if he can do like his EU ladder run 100+ wins and under 20 losses.
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I thought he was going to take a break from sc2 from the title! Glad to hear he's staying round for a bit  gl to him in korea
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Mmm I think once you've had a taste, it's rather hard to leave
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I was getting suspicious. He had held off from quitting for longer than I thought he stated.
Anyways, he is hilarious and extremely talented. Now that he's going to stomp people on a ladder that actually has people who pose a vague threat, I can see him getting even better. Who knows, maybe seeing all the other hardworking Korean progamers in a gaming house may make him practice more.
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I, for one, welcome our robot overlord.
Whatever makes the guy happy... I am glad it coincides with our joy from his entertaining games.
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On April 20 2012 10:35 revel8 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2012 10:28 Forikorder wrote:On April 20 2012 10:11 revel8 wrote:On April 20 2012 07:33 MonkSEA wrote:
I don't get why Stephano is all the rave and worshipped so heavily.
Don't get me wrong, I'd put him in the top two foreigner with Naniwa easily, but his constant no-shows, his lack of dedication to what basically is his job, and just the general attitude he gives when he does something that is wrong. I'm utterly confused as to why people think his the bees knees, but I guess each to their own.
With that being said, I don't think his going to succeed too far in the GSL based on what Koreans have said. He is able to take games and potentially sets, but as most people have stated, once they get used to his play style he'll drop out like he did in the Cup. Now you can say 'oh but he was xx GM in korea' yeah that's cool and all, except for the sole factor that GM means nothing. Everyone knows Stephano is good his mechanics and responses are extremely tight and spot on, but I don't think his style of play will allow him to progress in the GSL as his opponents have an ample amount of time to study Stephano, and as most pro's have said already(which I keep having to repeat since it is so important) once you figure out Stephano's play style his not as big of a threat as if you didn't have any research on him. Once a player can dissect Stephano's play style, and abuse the weakness of Stephano then he'll just drop. Most people in the GSL are on a pro team with a coach who will help analyse players for them and point out weakness in their play, and the weaknesses the player has against the opponent.
So pretty much, Stephano is going to show some games where his opponents completely forgot or abstained on researching Stephano thus going to get pulverized, then there's the players that did, and will make it look like a fair match or potentially even one sided in their favour. But I do think it's not far-fetched to say that Stephano has some of the best mechanics right now, I do think it's far-fetched to call him a Code S player despite not actually participating in GSL yet. GSL is a completely different tournament to foreign and online tournaments. Let time speak for itself rather then jumping the gun. Stephano is still able to beat Koreans as displayed at IPL4. He won IPL3 6 months ago. All this talk about being figured out is nonsense as it still has not happened 6 months down the line. Like many players Stephano is capable of improving and changing his game. Having team-mates who support a player by giving practise games and help analyse an opponents play-style says nothing about a players skill-level. That is all about having a better support network. That helps in the GSL of course. Maybe Stephano will develop a network of supporting players too. Obviously Stephano is a Code S Level Player. He has beaten many players who have played in Code S and some of these players are on the record as stating he is a Code S Level Player. Naniwa is a Code S Level Player too. He did not suddenly double his skill level in the last ten days. Going to Korea helps a player to improve their level of play. It has happened to Naniwa. Squirtle and Ace helped increase Naniwa's understanding of SC2. Huk improved too in Korea. Numerous foreigners go to Korea because doing so can help them get better at SC2. There is no reason why Stephano cannot improve too once he is in Korea and has a higher level of opponents to practice against. All this talk about Stephano getting figured out is just based on something Idra said around IPL3. However Idra now acknowledges how good Stephano is and that he is here and making an impact in the metagame. The fact is that people have been dismissing Stephano since he first emerged. There is a thread about his ladder run and it contains posts in which doubters have made various claims about Stephano being nothing special and soon to be found out. Reading that thread now is hilarious. Your post is just a continuation of those doubters claims. imo with all the team partnerships and all the tournaments going around now and the level of foreigners being higher and how pretty mcuh everyone is on korean ladder anyway saying someone will improve drastically by going to kroea jsut isnt that true anymore Do Idra, Huk and Naniwa agree with you? Do NightEnd, Sase and Morrow agree with you? They have all gone to Korea and expect it to improve them. Are you saying they have got it all wrong and will never improve? Stephano does not play on the Korean Ladder currently. He only did during his stint in December while in Korea. Numerous Pro players are on the record as stating that playing on Korean Ladder helps improve a player. Are you saying that this is wrong and that this does not happen? Are you saying that only Stephano will fail to improve by playing on Korean Ladder? Please explain why all these pros I mentioned should listen to you and not bother going to Korea to improve. I am curious to know. I am no expert myself, but it seems that these Foreign Pros are going to Korea with an expectation that doing so is beneficial to them. I assume that they know what they are doing. Are you saying they are mistaken and I should be listening to you instead of them?
obviously playing on the korean ladder will help you improve SLIGHTLY faster then any other ladder but its not going to miraculously turna b teamer into a GSL champion the Korean ladder is not the steroids of starcraft 2 its a good tool to improve but it relys far far more on personal work ethic and how well you actually train you cant go to korea and practice semi seriously and expect to become code S you have to actually practice hard and work hard to improve
its better to ladder on NA and work hard to be better then ladder on Korean and jsut grind games
i never said you wouldnt improve by going to korea i jsut siad your not going to drastically improve
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niceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
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Don't think he'll have much of a chance in Code S if he's going to compete there. Too many good terrans.
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gsl probably will give him a code s seed went he gets there
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Well naturally I think this is a good thing, the best foreigner should really keep going at it!
Good luck Stephano!
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well, gsl seed? would love to see him as +1 zerg and +1 foreigner!
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